Idea for a New member of Team Angle

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Well, no one ever had a good match with New Jack. It's like cursing someone for having a bad match with Test.

Think of it this way:

 

If Raven/Rhyno is an example of Rhyno working a good match and carrying a lesser opponent to good hardcore match, why the hell couldn't he pull that off with, say, every other wrestler he faced?

 

The Raven match see's him and Scotty use tons of complex prop-assisted sequences and well-planned spots, a trade-mark of Raven matches in ECW, WCW, and to a lesser extent, the WWF.

 

As for the New Jack match, Rhyno couldn't think of anything better to fill up the match than get hit with lots of props before no-selling one and spearing Jack through a table for the win. Surely, a "good worker" could find a better way to fill ten minutes, don't you think?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

It's kinda hard to work a good match with New Jack due to the fact that the only wrestling move he did was a big splash.

[Guest Anglesault]

Not necessarily. Benoit couldn't do anything with Billy Gunn.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Not necessarily. Benoit couldn't do anything with Billy Gunn.

Well, to me, Billy Gunn is a perennial Tag Team competitor.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I'm a Rhyno mark, but even I'll say this:

Rhyno is more "aura" than he is worker. It's the fact that most of his moves are power moves, many of which work on the midsection, and that his version of the Spear, the GORE!, is the best version to date, that makes most like him.

 

Oh, and it does take a certain knack to put together a sound hardcore/garbage match without it being boring. Raven can do it, Dreamer can do it, and many workers in CZW can do it.

[Guest Dmann2000]

Well, no one ever had a good match with New Jack. It's like cursing someone for having a bad match with Test.

Hey Shane McMahon had a good match with Test, and he was in that nifty 6-person with Albert and Trish vs The Hardyz and Lita

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I don't know about more intimidating, but I know this...

 

Rhyno DOES look more insane than Lesnar does.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"It's kinda hard to work a good match with New Jack due to the fact that the only wrestling move he did was a big splash."

 

And how many wrestling moves did you see in the Rhyno/Raven match? It was all "I hit you, you hit me" prop brawling with some big bumps in between. Stuff Ian Rotten could have executed if he were instructed to.

 

Yet in every other Rhyno match I've seen, that kind of semi-smart work is absent, and in every other Raven match I've seen, present.

 

"Not necessarily. Benoit couldn't do anything with Billy Gunn."

 

Benoit exibited everything he had shown in his other performances through out the year. He bumped big for Billy's offense and actually managed offense himself that built towards a finish.

 

But I guess New Jack's mere pressence disabled Rhyno from doing ANYTHING besides getting hit in the head with a cookie sheet.

 

*rolls eyes*

 

Are you *ever* going to try and prove your point here, or are we just going to continue our merry little "dance around the issue" act you've got everyone following?

 

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work? Can you name a match where he seemed more together with his work than Brock?

 

If not, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't waste my time anymore.

[Guest AndrewTS]

As someone mentioned earlier, I think Albert was just being used as a poor substitute for Rhyno.

 

That Y is gay looking, though. Missspelign too avoyd coppiewrights iz uber-ghey.

 

They should have said fuck it and just went with it. As long as Rhyno isn't in a full body suit with a horn sticking out of his head, I don't see any cause for legal problems.

 

(Note: Marvel had a villian in the Hulk comics called Rhino. )

[ChrisMWaters 0]

As someone mentioned earlier, I think Albert was just being used as a poor substitute for Rhyno.

 

That Y is gay looking, though. Missspelign too avoyd coppiewrights iz uber-ghey.

Heh...good one Andy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work?

I guess not. I can anme matches of his that I liked and thought he displayed very good rib work and psychology, but they get shot down.

 

 

Howver, I haven't seen a brock amtch where he has done any better. he;s more "Ugh, I beat you up" than Rhyno.

 

(Note: Marvel had a villian in the Hulk comics called Rhino. )

 

He's in Spidey too.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

...hey...that talk about Rhino and Rhyno reminded me...

 

Does WWE still have to pay Marvel Comics for every time Hogan uses the Hulk name?

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work? Can you name a match where he seemed more together with his work than Brock?

Rhyno vs. Tajiri

Rhyno vs. Angle

Rhyno vs. Edge

Rhyno vs. Jericho

[Guest Anglesault]

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work? Can you name a match where he seemed more together with his work than Brock?

Rhyno vs. Tajiri

Rhyno vs. Angle

Rhyno vs. Edge

Rhyno vs. Jericho

Those would have been m picks, but none of them are good enough.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

 

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work?

I guess not. I can anme matches of his that I liked and thought he displayed very good rib work and psychology, but they get shot down.

 

 

Howver, I haven't seen a brock amtch where he has done any better. he;s more "Ugh, I beat you up" than Rhyno.

So the aimless squashes Brock presents to you are somehow worse than the aimless squashes you've seen from Rhyno?

 

They can both bump well, look mean, and toss people around convincingly. I don't see why either of them should be placed above or below mediocre levle talent.

 

Brock has displayed rib-work in the past too, you know. So did Sid.

 

"Rhyno vs. Tajiri"

 

You're going to have to be more specific. However, I don't remember any of their ECW matches or their WWF matches being worth a dime. Care to explain to me what I may have been missing?

 

"Rhyno vs. Angle"

 

Aside from some impressive bumps, this was about as by-the numbers as you can get. Is this supposed to dwarf anything Brock has done?

 

"Rhyno vs. Edge"

 

From King of the Ring? Brock/Rock was certainly better than this.

 

"Rhyno vs. Jericho"

 

Blech. Spotty, sloppy, and borring. Even without the blown spots, there was no psyche, just both guys doing their stuff. Brock vs. Bubba was no worse than this.

[Guest Mole]

Yeah, but who has Brock fought who is a good wrestler which wasn't a squash match?

 

Off the top of my head, all I can think of is Rock. Other than that, Brock hasn't had an opponent to actually *wrestle*.

 

Don't say RVD, because RVD hasn't really shown his work as wrestler when it comes to psychology.

 

When he fights Show, Taker, RVD, and Jeff Hardy, I don't see much of a wrestling match. No psychology, movesets, you know, a wrestling match.

 

At SummerSlam, he fought The Rock. That match was about a *** match, and that was without much more than a few power moves and very little psychology, if my memory serves me correct.

 

When Brock fights Benoit, Eddy, Angle or anyone who can actually wrestle, we will know what he can do. Until then, it is an empty question.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

 

Can you name a match where Rhyno appeared to have a good understanding of how to work?

I guess not. I can anme matches of his that I liked and thought he displayed very good rib work and psychology, but they get shot down.

 

 

Howver, I haven't seen a brock amtch where he has done any better. he;s more "Ugh, I beat you up" than Rhyno.

So the aimless squashes Brock presents to you are somehow worse than the aimless squashes you've seen from Rhyno?

 

They can both bump well, look mean, and toss people around convincly. I don't see why either of them should be placed above or below mediocre levle talent.

 

Brock has displayed rib-work in the past too, you know. So did Sid.

 

"Rhyno vs. Tajiri"

 

You're going to have to be more specific. However, I don't remember any of their ECW matches or their WWF matches being worth a dime. Care to explain to me what I may have been missing?

 

"Rhyno vs. Angle"

 

Aside from some impressive bumps, this was about as by-the numbers as you can get. Is this supposed to dwarf anything Brock has done?

 

"Rhyno vs. Edge"

 

From King of the Ring? Brock/Rock was certainly better than this.

 

"Rhyno vs. Jericho"

 

Blech. Spotty, sloppy, and borring. Even without the blown spots, there was no psyche, just both guys doing their stuff. Brock vs. Bubba was no worse than this.

Rhyno vs. Tajiri:

 

I don't think that Rhyno and Tajiri had many ECW matches, but their WCW US Title match and KOTR match were both atleast ***. You seem to be missing alot.

 

Rhyno vs. Angle:

 

By the numbers? Do you care to explain?

 

Rhyno vs. Edge:

 

Are you going to compare every Rhyno match to Brock's best match?

 

Rhyno vs. Jericho:

 

Sloppy because the ring ropes were loose. And I don't know how it was boring, because there was an actual story behind it, other then "I KILLED THE UNDERTAKER NOW I WILL INJURE YOU TO GET THE MOST PROCLAIMED TITLE IN THE WORLD!"

 

And besides that, there is also the many tag matches Rhyno had when teaming with Austin in the Alliance.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

!!!! Are you nuts? Rhyno/Tajiri from the KOTR 2001 tourney was less than 3 minutes long! Their Unforgiven match didn't go long at all either, as I recall.

 

I don't remember Rhyno teaming with Austin at all in the Alliance days, let alone any of the matches being noteworthy.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Brock is better than Rhyno, although both are extremely fun workers to watch.

Both had very entertaining matches with Rock, although Brock's was obviously better due to the circumstances involved.

Rhyno became a much better worker once he joined WWE.

Rhyno shouldn't really join Team Angle.

Raven is over-rated as hell in the ring, but still an entertaining promo/garbage match guy.

Molestomp is right, Brock is still being deprived of regular proper matches with good opponents.

And to add something new, every time Rock's name comes up in a discussion like this makes me realise just how awesome he is and how he has had more entertaining matches then I can remember. He epitomises consistency.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I have no problem with brock or rhyno as workers. I think given the right opponent brock could put on a better match, but in brawling rhyno is obviously better. Anyway, back on topic, putting rhyno with them would be a waste in my opinion. They don't need albert, or anyone else except angle, heyman, show, haas and benjamin. I think you have a perfectly credible heel stable there, and rhyno will get over fine on his own. They could have raven talk for him on raw, and get him to beat the shit out of people. That helps everyone.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

"Rhyno vs. Tajiri:

 

I don't think that Rhyno and Tajiri had many ECW matches, but their WCW US Title match and KOTR match were both atleast ***. You seem to be missing alot."

 

Right. As already adressed, it was three minutes long, and even what was shown of that was forgettable. The ECW match where Tajiri got squashed for the TV Title was no different.

 

"Rhyno vs. Angle:

 

By the numbers? Do you care to explain?"

 

It was a standard WWF Main Event, meaning basically, nothing special. They pulled out some creative bumps, and got some nice near falls, but basically it was both guys doing their stuff. The body gets filled with familiarity spots, some brawling, a long heat sequence, and then they go to the finish. There was no realy story to what they were doing, besides "Kurt has to win because of 9/11."

 

"Rhyno vs. Edge:

 

Are you going to compare every Rhyno match to Brock's best match?"

 

Well, yes. The topic is whether or not Rhyno is better than Brock. If Rhyno is better than Brock, he should be able to have better matches than Brock.

 

"Rhyno vs. Jericho:

 

Sloppy because the ring ropes were loose. And I don't know how it was boring, because there was an actual story behind it, other then 'I KILLED THE UNDERTAKER NOW I WILL INJURE YOU TO GET THE MOST PROCLAIMED TITLE IN THE WORLD!"

 

What story was there in Jericho/Rhyno? Rhyno tries to cripple Jericho as a favor to Stephanie, and Chris responds with.....his usual array of dropkicks, roll ups and such. It was supposed to be Jericho's revenge, but instead we got a standard Nitro match, only sloppier. If anything, the Undertaker/Brock matches at least established a levle of intensity that coincided with the storyline and gave the fans what they expected

[Guest saturnmark4life]

rhyno/jericho did pretty much suck, as does quite a lot of jericho's stuff. I never found him all that watchable as a face at all.

[Guest Ram]

Brock has already faced Eddie.

[Guest Brian]

And it was squash.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

The eddy match was dissapointing, but I don't think it was entirely brock's fault. I was begging for eddy's 'counter ANY finisher into a cradle' but it never came.

[Guest Anglesault]

Brock is better than Rhyno, although both are extremely fun workers to watch.

You see, i can understand why someone would say that about Rhyno, but not about Brock. I haven't seen one "fun" Brock match.

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

:: Beltshots ASS::

 

::Does ghey move with even gheyer name::

 

*Twiddles Handlebar Mustache*

 

Ahhh, my dear ASS, still spouting off the random idiocies I see. So, because a Brock match isn't "fun" to you, he MUST suck? Sound familiar? Of course Brock is also three times as over as Ryno ever was, further hurting your pride. Of course the F5 is a better looking move to view than "GORE GORE GHEY!!!!!" unless the Rock sells it. But of course Brock is no fun because Mr. ASS here says so. What other words of wisdom do you have for us, oh wise guru.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The Brock/Rhyno debate is off topic and pointless. Neither is, to me, leaps and bounds better than the other based on WWE work. However, Brock was pushed until he won a championship, only now is getting over, and is going to be in a main event scene for a long time.

 

Rhyno had the same thing happen in ECW, but in WWE he's a midcarder, and at most all AS is suggesting is for him to play a thuggish enforcer role. I don't see how that's unreasonable, as long as he isn't going to be painted up red, white, and blue and expected to be bought as an amateur wrestler.

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

ASS, started the Brock/Rhyno comparison in the first place. Also, Lesnar was beginning to get over before SS and has stayed over since. So "now beginning to get over" is wrong.

 

However, the most heat Rhyno ever got was goring the Rock, which was more of a "God damn look at the Rock fly!" kind of thing since Rhyno failed to follow it up with anything equally impressive. Other than that, his heat was around the Brock Lsenar Spring2k2 levels, being pushed as monster heel, yet not getting over, AT ALL.

[Guest Anglesault]

Ahhh, my dear ASS,

How clever.

 

 

 

So, because a Brock match isn't "fun" to you, he MUST suck?

 

No, he sucks because his matches aren't good. I said "Fun" because someone brought "fun" up.

 

Also, Lesnar was beginning to get over before SS

 

No, after SS. He wasn't REALLY over until around Unforgiven.