Guest Mole Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Now, we really don't know for a fact that wrestlers nowadays use juice or not. But we have an idea from what the wrestlers look like, the acne, how big/cut they are, the balding of the head etc. If some of these wrestlers are using juice, what would happen if they got caught and the Steroid trials happened all over again? Would this be the end of WWE? What do you fellas think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted January 6, 2003 End of the WWE? I highly doubt it. Who would bother running a steroid trial in the WWE when Vince states constantly that he runs regular drug tests in the WWE? The only person who'd do this is Vince himself, and that would be utterly pointless considering the whole god damn roster is on steroids. So don't plan on it ever occurring. UYI - Likes juice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunk 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Just out of interest, who do you think uses roids, and who doesnt. Obvioulsy we have HHH and Steiner, but what about guys like Angle, Benoit, Taker, Cena, etc. I think its quite hard to tell with some of them. ChUnK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Just out of interest, who do you think uses roids, and who doesnt. Obvioulsy we have HHH and Steiner, but what about guys like Angle, Benoit, Taker, Cena, etc. I think its quite hard to tell with some of them. ChUnK! Angle does, its plain as day. But when your worked as crazy as he is, and are as valuable, you really need to juice your body up so it can take the pressure of your occupation, after all, Mr. Angle has a family to feed and im sure he would want as much money as possible for the future of his loved ones. Benoit im not so sure of...to me, Mr. Benoit has always been roughly the same size, give or take...so who knows really. Usually you can tell by looking at their shoulders and the way their chest is built...but it is hard to tell with him. As for other guys on the roids, Test obviously has hit them hard. Either Eddie has just bulked up and worked his ass off or he has had some help from some drugs. I highly doubt Taker is on any drugs, he's never been a big, muscle bound guy. He's got big arms, but thats obviously just from his work out sessions. Other than that he has a fairly average physique or HOWEVER you spell it. I've also questioned Jericho at times...he never used to be as big and defined as he is now... Hmm... UYI - Digitally clean Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunk 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2003 I'd agree with that. I never really thought about Angle using them before, but you make a good point. I really don't think benoit uses roids. The guy is ripped to shreds, but hes kind of small with it, if you get what I mean. What about Spike Dudley.... just joking, he got his roids stolen off him b Crash Holly ChUnK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Chris Benoit and Eddy have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Another thing. I don't think they will do a full trial unless they think Vince is distributing. Not positive on that though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunk 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Chris Benoit and Eddy have. How can you be sure for certain though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted January 6, 2003 We aren't certain for sure if anyone does them. I have talked about this numerous times before, and I also get flamed for suggesting that some guys do it. I think that the following guys take juice: Triple-Juice, Benoit, Eddy, Edge, Angle, Booker T, Steiner, maybe Jericho, Test, and actually, maybe Kane. Least certain about Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted January 6, 2003 And I figured a steroid trial wouldn't happen again, I mostly meant that the wrestlers would get caught. Like a indivdual wrestler might get caught and get arrested themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Chris Benoit and Eddy have. How can you be sure for certain though? Look at them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest red_file Report post Posted January 6, 2003 And compare Benoit and Eddy's current size to the size they were in Japan in the early/mid 90s. It's clear they were using. Probably still are, though to a lesser degree. The physiques they currently have are very difficult to maintain without help. The number of wrestlers on the current roster who have not, at one time or another, juiced is probably very slim. Spike is the only male wrestler who I'd be surprised to find out that he'd juiced in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Same with RVD, Scott Hall, Taker, DDP, Raven, Richards, most of the women wrestlers, SCSA, and Hogan. Oh wait, forget the last one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted January 6, 2003 From time to time, because it helps repair muscle damage from the amount of pressure they put on it, everyone has probably used a little. I'd make the same case for most ballplayers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Max Danger Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Is it even possible for them to be tried again? Double Jeopardy and all that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Double Jeopardy is for a single offense at a single time. Let's say I killed you and got off scott free. I can't be tried for killing you again. Now let's say the I killed someone else. I can be tried again for murder b/c it's a different offense at a different time. Now with Vince McMahon. He was tried for distributing steroids and he got off. Now if he started distributing in 98 he can be tried for anything after 98. While the same offense it was at a different period in time. Understand? Oh and that movie Double Jeopardy is BS, don't believe it in relation to this law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Seriously though...EDGE?!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted January 6, 2003 Very interesting topic since last night on Wrestling Observer live they were talking about steroid use, and how fans just have no idea who's on and who's not. They were saying that it's a good guess that 70-80% of the lockeroom is on some type of roids, but that fans also have a false perception of what a person on steroids looks like. For instance a person who looks huge and ripped the fans will think has to be on steroids, but in reality they don't understand how hard the guy trains in the gym to look like that, and on the other hand there are guys that fans think look too small or too natural to be on steriods when in reality they really are. Very interesting topic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AfricanAmerican Report post Posted January 6, 2003 so basically u guys are accusing anyone with any type of muscle tone or definition on their bodies, or who have bumps on their shoulders, or who've gotten bigger in size from what they used to look like 4+ years ago... is it impossible for a guy to go from small to big in four years with out medication? yes it is. Do you think people that lose a bunch of muscle or weight take drugs to do it all the time? No.. sometimes it takes hard work and a desire to get your body in a certain condition. How do you know that the wrestlers that you mentioned have not worked their ways to where they are in condition. Triple H seems to get most of the criticism, but if you forget he was unable to compete for a long period of time with a leg injury. The gym, being a home for these guys (only second to the ring) was probably the only place he was during that whole time. His legs were immobile so who's to say he didnt spend his days and nights building his upper body up? To answer the topic.. no i dont think there will be another trial unless there is some CONCRETE evidence that these guys are using steroids. Until then, the prosecutors or whoever can only do what you guys are doing.. speculate and accuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest creativename Report post Posted January 6, 2003 so basically u guys are accusing anyone with any type of muscle tone or definition on their bodies, or who have bumps on their shoulders, or who've gotten bigger in size from what they used to look like 4+ years ago... Well the problem there is that these guys are professional wrestlers, and in many of the cases where people are comparing then and now, the guy was already a pro for a while before he suddenly became huge. That's more than a little suspicious. Of course a guy can get huge naturally--but if someone was only moderately big for years, despite presumably working out just as hard as they do now, then you can easily read something into that. Perhaps it was because they weren't working out for mass, and now they are; but it remains a strong possibility that they used steroids. And it's pretty clear just by looking at him that Steiner has done the juice, so the argument about appearance not meaning anything goes out the window right there Use Your Illusion: Angle does, its plain as day. ... Benoit im not so sure of I'd say Benoit is a lot more likely than Angle. With Angle, you can always make the case that since he was an Olympian, he would be unlikely to take them since he was conditioned against them for so long. I wouldn't be surprised if he took them though. But Benoit seems a lot more likely than Angle; not only is he extremely ripped, but he's a lot bigger than he used to be; plus, his proportions are a little off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest teke184 Report post Posted January 6, 2003 I'd say Benoit is a lot more likely than Angle. With Angle, you can always make the case that since he was an Olympian, he would be unlikely to take them since he was conditioned against them for so long. I wouldn't be surprised if he took them though. But Benoit seems a lot more likely than Angle; not only is he extremely ripped, but he's a lot bigger than he used to be; plus, his proportions are a little off. Contrary to popular opinion, Olympians are not as drug-free as most people believe. Many of them are on cutting-edge stuff that is not easily detectable on a drug test OR use the same old stuff that has been used for years and have creative ways of passing the tests. (This includes switching samples, catheterizing clean urine into the bladder in place of doped urine, and contaminating the sample so that the results are invalid.) A family friend who was an incredible track star turned down the chance to go to the Olympic level because of it. The use of performance-enhancing drug use was so widespread at that level that using them was the only way to compete and, as a result, many of the people who went on to compete at that level instead of him are suffering serious side effects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted January 6, 2003 I'm sure they are on roids but then I'm sure they don't carry them around with them after 91/92, there's probably some kind of huge underground drugs networks for sportsmen, maybe I'm being a conspiracy theorist there though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
