Forshadowing the new horsemen?

[Guest razazteca]

Arn as manager with CW using the "family" style....Test is the draw along with whatever E-C-Dub marks left will cheer for this team

[Guest AndrewTS]

Good Lord, these Horsemen would suck.

 

Triple H: That other former Horseman with a big nose named Paul was better than he'd be. Once again, HHH gets his ego stroked, and you know he'll have some catchphrase that says he's hung like a horse.

 

Batista: Shittier than Mongo, shittier than Sid, and by far worse than any other horsemen in the past.

 

Orton: Funny guy, but sloppy as hell worker, and I don' t know how in the hell one can injure themselves using the Overdrive. However, he's getting over on his own, and isn't taken as a serious guy like a horseman should be. Which is why Dean and Benoit were great in their roles to me. Orton doesn't need this group, because if he figures out how to be competent in the ring he'll be fine.

 

Flair: Not an active wrestler in a while, but even at 50-something with saggy skin, he's still the best one out of this sad lot.

 

That's what WWE has planned for the Horsemen? Hell, throw in Test and it's the who's-who of shitty workers of Raw. Right here you have the biggest abortion of the Horsemen ever, who in the past usually only had ONE shitmeister on the team at one time.

 

Fuck the WWE up their stupid asses if they go through with this shit, I don't need to see 3+ other guys as well as the announcers suck HHH's cock for 2 hours.

[Guest graph9]

I don't see anything wrong with it..but whatever they do keep HHH out of it..(U know they won't if it does happen)..because everything he touches has been turning into shit..plus it's gonna b all about him..I would rather see Flair as the ringleader in a non-wrestling role...

 

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Batista: Shittier than Mongo, shittier than Sid, and by far worse than any other horsemen in the past.

No one is shitter then Mongo...EVER

 

Side note, Bret Hart said that is the only guy he would have ever refused to work with...

 

Side note #2...Mongo's like 400 lbs now

[Guest jester]

Nothing good can come out of a new Horsemen faction.

 

It will make the WWE version of the NWO look good.

[Guest Goodear]

Mongo was the worst wrestler since Loch Ness. I know people hate Batista and all, but lets keep this in the realm of reality.

[Guest Luke Cage]

I guess i'm the only one who doesn't want to see the Horsemen reformed.

Believe me; you aren't...

The only reason you'll see a WWF version of the Horsemen (if at all) will be to sell merchandise. Once the t-shirts sell thru, the group will likely be dissolved with little fanfare.

Let the Horsemen stay dead.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Mongo was the worst wrestler since Loch Ness.  I know people hate Batista and all, but lets keep this in the realm of reality.

I'm serious. At least Mongo was in some decent matches with semi-skilled jobbers. He seemed slightly competent. Batista blows the simplest of moves, and doesn't even have an interesting move set or finisher.

 

Goldberg vs. Mongo is comparable to his one actual PPV match, vs. Kane. Both were total suckfests. and Kane's a better worker than Goldberg. Keith gave them both a solid DUD.

 

Of course, Batista is more comparable to Goldberg than Mongo, but Goldie wasn't in the Horsemen. Whatever, one useless boring hoss is as good as another.

[Guest humongous2002]

The original Horsemen were a team of the best wrestlers the 80's ever had, they were great workers and great talkers, this WWE version of the Horsemen is nothing more than HGH getting his ego stroke, it's like RAW is his personal playground and he gets to play with all the toys.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Urrgh.. Batista so does not have the Horseman look.

 

If they had to put in a hoss, I wish they'd have used Nathan Jones or something else instead.

[Guest Vyce]

I don't want another Horseman group.

 

At this point, it's just pissing on the legacy. ESPECIALLY if HHH is in the group.

 

They'd have to make a Horsemen group filled with the likes of the SD 6 to even get me interested. But even then, I wouldn't want it.

 

This is the WWE. Any old, classic WCW / NWA idea or concept they touch, they automatically wind up fucking totally.

[Guest Downhome]

Here ya go...

 

 

...ugh!

[Guest Coffey]

Kane's a better worker than Goldberg.

That's the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I have never liked a single Kane match. I liked several of Goldbergs matches. Kane sucks the hard one. I think Goldberg is a lot better than Kane.. even in his green state.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

from rajah, the 1/3/02 hawaii house show. unfortunately, they seem to be more than toying with the idea.

 

Finally after 3 hours the main event

 

Scott Steiner & RVD w/ Shawn Michaels over Triple H & Batista w/Rick Flair &

Chief Morley

 

Rick Flair came out first, and asked Chief Morley to join him, Chief Morley

said because Scott Steiner interferred in the 1/2/03 main event he would be

at ring side to make sure Scott didn't win tonight.

 

Rick Flair then introduced Batista and Triple H. Before Shaking hands they

held up 4 fingers suggesting that they could possibly be forming the 4

horsemen?

 

RVD then came to the ring to a good pop, before Scott Steiner came to the

ring to a huge pop. When Triple H wouldn't get in the ring Scott Steiner

called him a Chicken Shit, and gave all 4 the finger many times.

 

Shawn Michaels then surprised us by coming to the ring and said he would be

in RVD and Scott Steiner's corner to make sure that Rick Flair and Cheif

Morley didn't get involved, the treated to kick them all down if they tried

anything.

 

Highlights of the match include Scott Steiner and Batista literally moving

the ring when they clashed in the middle of the ring. RVD with his high

flying moves, and Triple H and Scott Steiner mocking each others moves.

 

In the end Shawn Michaels gave Rick Flair and Batista some "sweet-chin music"

While RVD and Chief Morley fought outside the ring. Scott Steiner reversed

the Petigree to give Triple H. the Steiner Recliner.

 

*At the end of the match Scott Steiner grabbed the World Championship and

posed with it, then laid it in the center of the ring and told Triple H. that

he didn't want to wait for the Royal Rumble that if Triple H. wanted his belt

back so bad he could come in the ring and get it. Triple H. wanted to get

back in the ring but Chief Morley stopped him and had a plan to distract both

RVD and Scott Steiner using Earl Hebner as a shield, Batista was able to

sneak behind Scott Steiner to take back the Championship. They left with

Scott Steiner saying his famous quote that this match goes out to all his

freaks holla if you hear me.

 

RVD stayed after to shake hands and take picture with fans.

 

incidentally, i believe the plan is for hhh, batista, lance & regal, with flair as manager type figure, which imo is better than flair as an active wrestler and randy orton.

[JN News 0]

I don't want another Horseman group.

 

At this point, it's just pissing on the legacy. ESPECIALLY if HHH is in the group.

 

They'd have to make a Horsemen group filled with the likes of the SD 6 to even get me interested. But even then, I wouldn't want it.

 

This is the WWE. Any old, classic WCW / NWA idea or concept they touch, they automatically wind up fucking totally.

Believe me, when Vince fucks this thing up, it will be 100% INTENTIONAL!

[Guest DeputyHawk]

oh don't be ridiculous. with ratings as bad as they are, vince is trying everything he can to boost interest. setting up an angle to fail out of spite for the old nwa, especially with his top star and a hyped newcomer, is just a stupid accusation to level. these sort of 'knowing' asides really piss me off.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Orton = Anderson (the rookie - as described by anderson on confidential)

 

Batista = Ole (the brawn)

 

HHH = Flair (The Gold)

 

??? = Tully (The Technician)

 

Flair = JJ (The Brains)

 

We are missing one technician. Who? Storm? Regal? Nowinski? Al Snow? Jericho? Chris Benoit? Nunzio? Funaki? They are really stretching on their technicians.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

They are really stretching on their technicians.

Shane Helms, sans gimmick, fills the Malenko tech/Cruiser role.

 

It would give Hurricane something to do apart from the CW division, and using logical storylines (such as Hurricane turning on Kane) give Kane and RVD something to do as well. It would also finally kill the superhero gimmick while still retaining Helms' heat.

 

Of course, this whole idea actually makes sense, which means they probably won't do it.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Kane's a better worker than Goldberg.

That's the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I have never liked a single Kane match. I liked several of Goldbergs matches. Kane sucks the hard one. I think Goldberg is a lot better than Kane.. even in his green state.

Kane's had a good matches with Jericho and Angle as well as that odd freaky good match with Albert, and Goldberg's "good" match with DDP was rehearsed carefully. His match with Raven I completely credit Raven, and I can't think of any other "good" matches with him in it.

 

Kane has a larger moveset, he actually sells, and is almost as fast and likely is stronger.

 

Of course, the "never liked" stuff may be just your personal preference, but I can't believe you actually think Goldy's better.

[Guest creativename]

Kane has a larger moveset, he actually sells, and is almost as fast and likely is stronger.

I would seriously doubt that Kane is stronger than Goldberg. Goldberg is one strong mofo, you have to give him that. I've seen Kane stress to gorilla press guys that I think Goldberg would have little problem gorilla pressing; and of course, I wouldn't think that Kane could Jackhammer Show.

 

Not sure who the better worker is though.

[Guest Anglesault]

HHHeads will roll if I see a HHHorsemen group soil the name.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

With all this Team Angle love and HHHorsemen hate, I wonder if roles were reversed would it be the same? Let's say Steiner was harrassing HHH so HHH decides to play the pussy role and hire Benjamin and Haas to protect his ass. Would you all dislike that? I think you would as you all would find someway to believe that HHH was trying to bury these guys or steal their heat. However, if Batista and Orton were Team Angle, you'd mark out becuase they are playing pawns to Kurt's masterful heel. It's really just smark bias.

 

And let me say this as well, Team Angle is nothing but fodder for getting Kurt Angle over the top as a heel. Notice that Team Angle has NEVER looked strong? Well, maybe you haven't noticed becuase it was Benoit making them look like pussies instead of HHH. The only time Team Angle is made to look like bad ass heels is when Kurt angle save them with his trusty crutch. While you guys are jizzing up your keyboards with "OMG ANGLEZ SUCH A BADASS RUDO DIK HEEL!1 TEAM ANGLE ROX!!!!!@111" you fail to notice that Kurt Angle is basically SAVING his own fucking bodyguards. Not a really good way to get this team over. The only reason they have any heat is because it comes from Angle association and Angle interference.

 

As for the HHHorsemen, their purpose will be to protect HHH. He won't be saving three men from a beatdown like Angle has to save his team. I believe that if written correctly, this incarnation of the Horsemen could be as good as the classic version and definately better than the flawed Team Angle.

 

This what they need for the HHHorsemen.....

 

Flair and Arn Anderson (Brains)

HHH - Flair's Role: Champ

Jericho - Second in command

Batista - Muscle

Orton - Smarmy heel that holds tag team titles with Batista

 

That looks like a pretty nice lineup to me. And Jericho won't look weak because HHH won't allow this group to look weak since it'll be a reflection of him basically.

[Guest Brian]

"With all this Team Angle love and HHHorsemen hate, I wonder if roles were reversed would it be the same? Let's say Steiner was harrassing HHH so HHH decides to play the pussy role and hire Benjamin and Haas to protect his ass. Would you all dislike that? I think you would as you all would find someway to believe that HHH was trying to bury these guys or steal their heat. However, if Batista and Orton were Team Angle, you'd mark out becuase they are playing pawns to Kurt's masterful heel. It's really just smark bias."

 

Which is one of the reasons I'm not complaining now is because Triple H is actually putting over Steiner and segments are generally decent and somewhat funny in that overly stupid way. I'd just rather have him put over someone who deserves it.

 

"And let me say this as well, Team Angle is nothing but fodder for getting Kurt Angle over the top as a heel. Notice that Team Angle has NEVER looked strong? Well, maybe you haven't noticed becuase it was Benoit making them look like pussies instead of HHH. The only time Team Angle is made to look like bad ass heels is when Kurt angle save them with his trusty crutch. While you guys are jizzing up your keyboards with "OMG ANGLEZ SUCH A BADASS RUDO DIK HEEL!1 TEAM ANGLE ROX!!!!!@111" you fail to notice that Kurt Angle is basically SAVING his own fucking bodyguards. Not a really good way to get this team over. The only reason they have any heat is because it comes from Angle association and Angle interference."

 

Part of this seems really contradictory to your other point. You say that on one hand HHH is not trying to use a horsemen group, but Angle has his stable and he's stealing heat from two guys with almost non-existent heat. At this point it's not like anyone expects Team Angle to be going out and competing; they're henchmen brought on by Heyman to insure that Angle keeps his title. They play no pivotal part, they are fodder.

 

People are jizzing because they remember the Hart Foundation where Austin would beat down multiple guys before Bret Hart saved them.

 

"As for the HHHorsemen, their purpose will be to protect HHH. He won't be saving three men from a beatdown like Angle has to save his team. I believe that if written correctly, this incarnation of the Horsemen could be as good as the classic version and definately better than the flawed Team Angle."

 

How are they flawed? They've barely entered into the actual storyline and build they are heading to, which is Brock, and Hass and Benjamin are still by standards a green team that has yet to be established. Right now, no character and little motivation.

 

If by classic you mean Roma-esque or Mongo-lite, go ahead. Just don't piss on the horsemen name kiddo.

 

"That looks like a pretty nice lineup to me. And Jericho won't look weak because HHH won't allow this group to look weak since it'll be a reflection of him basically."

 

And you would have thought Trips would have done the same thing when he was chasing the title so he'd get a strong carry-over in winning.

[Guest Downhome]

Kane's a better worker than Goldberg.

That's the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I have never liked a single Kane match. I liked several of Goldbergs matches. Kane sucks the hard one. I think Goldberg is a lot better than Kane.. even in his green state.

Kane's had a good matches with Jericho and Angle as well as that odd freaky good match with Albert, and Goldberg's "good" match with DDP was rehearsed carefully. His match with Raven I completely credit Raven, and I can't think of any other "good" matches with him in it.

 

Kane has a larger moveset, he actually sells, and is almost as fast and likely is stronger.

 

Of course, the "never liked" stuff may be just your personal preference, but I can't believe you actually think Goldy's better.

No offense, but your stating Kane is better is an extremely asinine statement. Not only is that a bold face lie (unless you just personally prefer him, which is totoally cool), but you also fail to mention that Kane has been in the Pro. Wrestling career for around a decade, whild Goldberg basicly had only three or so years wrestling at all, if even that much, much less at top that entire time.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

>>>Part of this seems really contradictory to your other point. You say that on one hand HHH is not trying to use a horsemen group, but Angle has his stable and he's stealing heat from two guys with almost non-existent heat. At this point it's not like anyone expects Team Angle to be going out and competing; they're henchmen brought on by Heyman to insure that Angle keeps his title. They play no pivotal part, they are fodder.<<<

 

Um, what are you talking about? I'm saying that if HHH was using Team Angle in a from similar to how Kurt Angle is, there would be numerous complaints just based on the fact it's HHH.

 

>>>People are jizzing because they remember the Hart Foundation where Austin would beat down multiple guys before Bret Hart saved them.<<<

 

I just don't find it believable for Benoit to beat down these guys multiple times. Henchmen are supposed to be, I don't know, competent but Benoit is making them look like weak bumblers.

 

>>>How are they flawed? They've barely entered into the actual storyline and build they are heading to, which is Brock, and Hass and Benjamin are still by standards a green team that has yet to be established. Right now, no character and little motivation.<<<

 

What do you mean they have yet to be established? The backstory to the team is that they were "hired' because they were almost on equal standing with Lesnar who is being marketed to casual fans as THE face to beat. Benjamin especially was put over as a threat. Now, they are having these two "threats" manhandled by Benoit on a semi regular basis. They can't take Benoit out without the help of a CRIPPLED Kurt Angle. Look no further than the Benoit/Benjamin squash.

 

>>>If by classic you mean Roma-esque or Mongo-lite, go ahead. Just don't piss on the horsemen name kiddo.<<<

 

Please, none of you want to give it a chance because HHH is in it. If Jericho was in that position it would be great. You all may disagree with some of the henchmen, but it would not nearly be on the level it is now.

 

>>>And you would have thought Trips would have done the same thing when he was chasing the title so he'd get a strong carry-over in winning.<<<

 

Jericho was made to look weak long before HHH got to him. But I guess you don't remember the Austin cage match where Austin basically had his way with him and Jericho only won becuase Austin went back to beat him again after he was flipped off. Not exactly strong booking for your champ. But I guess that was HHH's fault?

[Guest Anglesault]

Please, none of you want to give it a chance because HHH is in it.

And Batista and Orton. Yeah, it's The Four Horsemen. When three of the four suck and one is washed up, It cannot be good or anything like the original.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Kane's a better worker than Goldberg.

That's the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. I have never liked a single Kane match. I liked several of Goldbergs matches. Kane sucks the hard one. I think Goldberg is a lot better than Kane.. even in his green state.

Kane's had a good matches with Jericho and Angle as well as that odd freaky good match with Albert, and Goldberg's "good" match with DDP was rehearsed carefully. His match with Raven I completely credit Raven, and I can't think of any other "good" matches with him in it.

 

Kane has a larger moveset, he actually sells, and is almost as fast and likely is stronger.

 

Of course, the "never liked" stuff may be just your personal preference, but I can't believe you actually think Goldy's better.

No offense, but your stating Kane is better is an extremely asinine statement. Not only is that a bold face lie (unless you just personally prefer him, which is totoally cool), but you also fail to mention that Kane has been in the Pro. Wrestling career for around a decade, whild Goldberg basicly had only three or so years wrestling at all, if even that much, much less at top that entire time.

If you seriously think Greenberg is a superior worker to Kane, one of the current WWE measuring sticks of shittiness, then maybe provide something to back up the claim, rather than saying I'm making an asinine statment?

 

I prefer Kane to Goldberg, not because I like Kane more, but because I fucking hate Goldberg. However, that isn't obscuring anything about Goldberg's skills.

 

Goldy's got the spear, Jackhammer, a neckbreaker, the mighty Concussion Kick, and some half-assed submission moves he has used with no regards to psychology. I'll be the first to admit that for someone with as much experience as Kane has, he should be better than he is. However, Goldberg should never have been put in the ring when he was as green as he was. Kane's matches are typically boring, but at least he has the ability to put on solid matches now and then and hasn't injured anyone in his matches that I can recall.

 

Goldberg's matches were either all squashes, or him being carried through a decent match by his opponent.

 

And it's difficult to gauge his strength based on the Jackhammer since that move is so heavily opponent-assisted.

[Guest AndrewTS]

 

Please, none of you want to give it a chance because HHH is in it.

And Batista and Orton. Yeah, it's The Four Horsemen. When three of the four suck and one is washed up, It cannot be good or anything like the original.

Right--4 shitty workers = 1 shitty stable. Why is that so difficult a concept to grasp?

[Guest EternallyLazy]

>>With all this Team Angle love and HHHorsemen hate, I wonder if roles were reversed would it be the same? Let's say Steiner was harrassing HHH so HHH decides to play the pussy role and hire Benjamin and Haas to protect his ass. Would you all dislike that? I think you would as you all would find someway to believe that HHH was trying to bury these guys or steal their heat. However, if Batista and Orton were Team Angle, you'd mark out becuase they are playing pawns to Kurt's masterful heel. It's really just smark bias.<<

 

You see... here you are wrong. First off HHH is no Kurt Angle and that's the key point of the argument. The appeal of Team Angle is that Benjamin and Haas are former amatuer wrestlers and are actually GOOD in the ring. Batista is not good in the ring... from what I've seen. However, I also know that Batista hasn't been put in the ring with anyone really great yet to test if he can be carried, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If a new Horsemen group is to be formed, I wouldn't mind seeing Orton there because the kid is talented. He may not be on par with guys like Angle and Benoit ring wise, but his arrogant character is really working for him, and making me a fan. I will concede to your point that if Benjamin and Haas were on HHH's team, that most here would complain in some way about it because the blind HHH hate on this board is pretty ridiculous. Let me say that I dislike HHH as well, but sometimes it gets pretty ridiculous here

 

>>And let me say this as well, Team Angle is nothing but fodder for getting Kurt Angle over the top as a heel. Notice that Team Angle has NEVER looked strong?<<

 

What better way to introduce two unknown rookies, than to pair them with the WWE champion? Let's face it, they're not going to be made into established main eventers by this angle, but they're getting a major rub. What the WWE chooses to do with them after the end of the Team Angle storyline is what we should be speculating about. Oh, and Team Angle has never looked strong? They both looked great in their "debut" matches and remember the German Suplex/Superkick combo? Oh and if you're referring to them having to have help to win... it's called a heel faction. Look into it. See nWo and 4-Horsemen for further details

[Guest Anglesault]

If a new Horsemen group is to be formed, I wouldn't mind seeing Orton there because the kid is talented.

Huh? Randy "I fuck up two finishers in a row" Orton? Does he have that super secret "Potential" that I seem to also be missing in Brock? Is there a reason why I'm the only guy here who never sees the amazing potential in certain people?