Bob Holly Interview

[Guest Kingpk]

No. He showed a lot of self control by keeping it under his hat. Bob was 100% wrong in this case. What right does a guy whose biggest accomplishment was holding the tag titles with the 1-2-3 Kid have to act like a Grade-A pompus asshole?

[Guest Anglesault]

Allright, I haven't watched TE yet, so did Matt really call Bob "Sparky"?

Not, it was totally unprevoked. Matt was in the ring, and Sparky was tagged in. He the PUNTED the kid in the ribs, and started chopping th shit out of him in the corner and stomping his head. Sparky is just bitter because that kid is already better and more over than Sparky ever was.

[Guest Anglesault]

Allright, I haven't watched TE yet, so did Matt really call Bob "Sparky"?

Not, it was totally unprevoked. Matt was in the ring, and Sparky was tagged in. He the PUNTED the kid in the ribs, and started chopping th shit out of him in the corner and stomping his head. Sparky is just bitter because that kid is already better and more over than Sparky ever was.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Matt is more attractive too. (Hey, at least I didn't say "Matty" )

 

What I meant by the "what we didn't see comment" is... we didn't see if the trainers did anything to Bo--er, Sparky for his lil childish antics or nothing like that. They probably said something to him...if not, then they are as much to blame as Sparky, I suppose.

 

EDIT: I only saw a picture of him holding the tag titles with Seanny (sorry...couldn't resist). Was the team any good, or did one completely carry the other?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Jesus Fucking Christ you guys are pussies.

 

A cut lip? A swelled eye? A red chest? Cry me a fucking river! Bob Holly worked through a match with a broken arm fer cryin out loud~! Little Boy Matt gets roughed up and all of a sudden it's "assault"? Ladies please, put those pink hankies away and go back to the kitchen...

 

If Matt were a 'real' wrestling fan then shouldn't he know the 'realities' of the business and the sport in general? Shouldn't he have watched tapes of guys getting their ass beat in the ring and know that "gee golly, that must hurt."?

 

But this is the thing - they're not real fans. They are either guys who want to be on TV, or make a lot of money, or have no solid goals in life. They have none of my sympathy because they are living in a mansion getting free food, free travel, free vacations, getting to train with world class wrestlers for free, getting to meet WWF superstars and learn from them, getting to be on TV, and when the heat gets turned up it's all "boo hoo, he hurt my feelins. He ain't playin fair." I think each and every fuckin person on that show should get stiffed into oblivion - walk straight through hell - and THEN, maybe, they can get a contract. But no siree bob, gotta do HIP TOSSES~! And BACK BUMPS! And DROP KICKS! And then RUN UP HILLS! And LISTEN TO CLICHES! And then GO OUT AN PARTY IN CLUBS! Tough Enough is a joke. If getting stiffed is an "epic event" on the show I'd hate to see what "How to Politik" would 'corrupt' their fragile, innocent worlds.

 

Again, is Matt current dead? Any bones broken? Aside from cuts and bruises is there anything to write home about? NO! He got the shit beat out of him - guess what? That's the price you sometimes have to pay to *ahem* "Live your Dreams". Shit, there are probably hundreds of Indy guys out there right now wishing they could get their ass beat like that for the opportunity that Little Boy Matt has.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Jesus Fucking Christ you guys are pussies.

 

A cut lip? A swelled eye? A red chest? Cry me a fucking river! Bob Holly worked through a match with a broken arm fer cryin out loud~! Little Boy Matt gets roughed up and all of a sudden it's "assault"? Ladies please, put those pink hankies away and go back to the kitchen...

 

If Matt were a 'real' wrestling fan then shouldn't he know the 'realities' of the business and the sport in general? Shouldn't he have watched tapes of guys getting their ass beat in the ring and know that "gee golly, that must hurt."?

 

But this is the thing - they're not real fans. They are either guys who want to be on TV, or make a lot of money, or have no solid goals in life. They have none of my sympathy because they are living in a mansion getting free food, free travel, free vacations, getting to train with world class wrestlers for free, getting to meet WWF superstars and learn from them, getting to be on TV, and when the heat gets turned up it's all "boo hoo, he hurt my feelins. He ain't playin fair." I think each and every fuckin person on that show should get stiffed into oblivion - walk straight through hell - and THEN, maybe, they can get a contract. But no siree bob, gotta do HIP TOSSES~! And BACK BUMPS! And DROP KICKS! And then RUN UP HILLS! And LISTEN TO CLICHES! And then GO OUT AN PARTY IN CLUBS! Tough Enough is a joke. If getting stiffed is an "epic event" on the show I'd hate to see what "How to Politik" would 'corrupt' their fragile, innocent worlds.

 

Again, is Matt current dead? Any bones broken? Aside from cuts and bruises is there anything to write home about? NO! He got the shit beat out of him - guess what? That's the price you sometimes have to pay to *ahem* "Live your Dreams". Shit, there are probably hundreds of Indy guys out there right now wishing they could get their ass beat like that for the opportunity that Little Boy Matt has.

But does that make what Bob Holly did right?

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

I'll have to agree with Anglesault on this one. Working stiffly and beating the shit out of someone are two different things.

That's just it, he just got a busted lip and a shiner. That's hardly what I qualify as having the shit beat out of you. None of this negates the fact that Bob Holly is a prick but I really think some of you are over-reacting.

[Guest Anglesault]

If Matt were a 'real' wrestling fan then shouldn't he know the 'realities' of the business and the sport in general? Shouldn't he have watched tapes of guys getting their ass beat in the ring and know that "gee golly, that must hurt."?

I'm sure he has. But he may NOT have seen too many tapes of one guy intentionally trying to hurt another guy with absolutely NO provocation. That teach him anything. There aren't too many guys out there in the WWF who TRY to hurt each other, and off the top of my head, I can't think of ANY (Besides Sparky) who do it for no reason. What does that prepare him for?

 

Sparky is a terrible, terrible wrestler who tries to compensate by beating the shit out of people. The TE Kids should NOT learn from this man. Sparky goes out there and TRIES to hurt people. Sparky went out there and TRIED to hurt Matt. That could have ended so much worse. Look what happened THIS YEAR Sparky TRIED to hurt Diamond Dallas Page. Bitter Asshole Sparky RETIRED Diamond Dallas Page.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I'll have to agree with Anglesault on this one.  Working stiffly and beating the shit out of someone are two different things.

That's just it, he just got a busted lip and a shiner. That's hardly what I qualify as having the shit beat out of you. None of this negates the fact that Bob Holly is a prick but I really think some of you are over-reacting.

everyone's passing it off as just a bruise and a cut, but it looked like more than that to me. He just about broke his jaw and he screwed up his face.

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

Jesus Fucking Christ you guys are pussies.

 

A cut lip? A swelled eye? A red chest? Cry me a fucking river! Bob Holly worked through a match with a broken arm fer cryin out loud~! Little Boy Matt gets roughed up and all of a sudden it's "assault"? Ladies please, put those pink hankies away and go back to the kitchen...

 

If Matt were a 'real' wrestling fan then shouldn't he know the 'realities' of the business and the sport in general? Shouldn't he have watched tapes of guys getting their ass beat in the ring and know that "gee golly, that must hurt."?

 

But this is the thing - they're not real fans. They are either guys who want to be on TV, or make a lot of money, or have no solid goals in life. They have none of my sympathy because they are living in a mansion getting free food, free travel, free vacations, getting to train with world class wrestlers for free, getting to meet WWF superstars and learn from them, getting to be on TV, and when the heat gets turned up it's all "boo hoo, he hurt my feelins. He ain't playin fair." I think each and every fuckin person on that show should get stiffed into oblivion - walk straight through hell - and THEN, maybe, they can get a contract. But no siree bob, gotta do HIP TOSSES~! And BACK BUMPS! And DROP KICKS! And then RUN UP HILLS! And LISTEN TO CLICHES! And then GO OUT AN PARTY IN CLUBS! Tough Enough is a joke. If getting stiffed is an "epic event" on the show I'd hate to see what "How to Politik" would 'corrupt' their fragile, innocent worlds.

 

Again, is Matt current dead? Any bones broken? Aside from cuts and bruises is there anything to write home about? NO! He got the shit beat out of him - guess what? That's the price you sometimes have to pay to *ahem* "Live your Dreams". Shit, there are probably hundreds of Indy guys out there right now wishing they could get their ass beat like that for the opportunity that Little Boy Matt has.

Hello, Bob. Nice of you to drop by and defend yourself. I'm Gimmick Poster.com. Nice to meet you. Enjoy your stay here.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'll have to agree with Anglesault on this one.  Working stiffly and beating the shit out of someone are two different things.

That's just it, he just got a busted lip and a shiner. That's hardly what I qualify as having the shit beat out of you. None of this negates the fact that Bob Holly is a prick but I really think some of you are over-reacting.

everyone's passing it off as just a bruise and a cut, but it looked like more than that to me. He just about broke his jaw and he screwed up his face.

He's lucky if that's all it was. We still don't know what happened to his ribs with that kick.

 

Also, DeMott's talk seemed to indicate that there was more to it than just a busted lip. he wouldn't have said "When you get all healed up" over a black eye.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

everyone's passing it off as just a bruise and a cut, but it looked like more than that to me. He just about broke his jaw and he screwed up his face.

Well like I said I didn't see the episode, so I'll have to take your word for it.

 

But I still say Matt should've stiffed him back- Bob wouldn't expect that.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Okay I'm watching Tough Enough right now.

 

There was no "Sparky" comment. Bob tagged in and just started shooting on Matt for no reason whatsoever.

[Guest hiza jujigatame]

At wrestlingclassics.com, there's a really interesting thread about this whole thing. Most of the old-timers (and the Blue Meanie) over there say that, while Holly was a lot rougher than he needed to be, that's just the way that the whole wrestling business is. however, Paul Bearer (!), the guy that Holly his job with the WWF, said he was disappointed in him. Either way, it was wrong of Holly to do what he did, but Matt's going to encounter assholes eventually, it just happened to be fairly early in his career.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Okay nevermind........I think we may be overracting because it doesn't look as bad as I thought.

 

I don't think he cried because of the beating.......more the feeling he might not be cut out for it.

 

Plus how often do you see wrestler's reactions to things like that? Never.......so how do we know other wrestlers haven't broken down after a tough beating?

[Guest Anglesault]

At wrestlingclassics.com, there's a really interesting thread about this whole thing. Most of the old-timers (and the Blue Meanie) over there say that, while Holly was a lot rougher than he needed to be, that's just the way that the whole wrestling business is.

 

I don't see this. Especially in the WWF (The company Matt would work for) WHO goes out there and hurts another worker for no reason anymore? You do that, and you get Moppy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Okay nevermind........I think we may be overracting because it doesn't look as bad as I thought.

 

I don't think he cried because of the beating.......more the feeling he might not be cut out for it.

 

Plus how often do you see wrestler's reactions to things like that? Never.......so how do we know other wrestlers haven't broken down after a tough beating?

I think he cried because a man he trusted with his safety in the ring purposely and deliberately destroyed that trust.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

But does that make what Bob Holly did right?

 

Yes. For the luxury and opportunity those 'kids' get - it was more than right.

 

I'm sure he has. But he may NOT have seen too many tapes of one guy intentionally trying to hurt another guy with absolutely NO provocation.

 

So? He should always be ready to take a pounding in the ring. He should know Bob Hollys rep' for being snug and expect to get stiffed.

 

"They said they didn't know what to expect when I got in there. If they were a fan of Tough Enough I or II, or wrestling in general, they would have known what they had in store for them when I got in there" - Bob Holly.

 

That teach him anything. There aren't too many guys out there in the WWF who TRY to hurt each other, and off the top of my head, I can't think of ANY (Besides Sparky) who do it for no reason. What does that prepare him for?

 

It prepares him for the pain. If he can't take the pain, if he can't take a fucking bruised lip and a swelled eye how can he take a broken arm or a torn quad? Unexpected pain DOES happen in the WWF, you ALWAYS have to be ready for it. A stiff kick to the face because a dropkick was too low, a botched moonsault, who knows what can happen? I think it's a damn important lesson to learn.

 

Sparky is a terrible, terrible wrestler who tries to compensate by beating the shit out of people.

 

While I am not a fan of Holly's, I wouldn't call him a 'terrible, terrible wrestler'. He is average - nothing special, but nothing horrendous.

 

The TE Kids should NOT learn from this man.

 

No. He is a very BAD man. He brings the pain and it hurts bad! Mommy protect us from the very bad man.

 

Sparky goes out there and TRIES to hurt people. Sparky went out there and TRIED to hurt Matt. That could have ended so much worse.

 

Yeah, I mean, Matt could have gotten some HAIR RIPPED OUT! AAAAAAAH! THE HORRORS~! THE HHHHHHOOOOOORORAHAHAHAHAHAOOOOHAHAHAHHOOORRRRRRRRRROOOOOORRRRRRRS! And maybe, dare I say it, a CHIPPED NAIL~! I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT! COVER YOUR EYES CHILDREN!

 

Look what happened THIS YEAR Sparky TRIED to hurt Diamond Dallas Page. Bitter Asshole Sparky RETIRED Diamond Dallas Page.

 

It was from a Superplex. Are you trying to say that Bob Holly Superplexed him the wrong way on purpose? I don't follow.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

He wasn't bawling either. I'm watching it on tape and it seems both side's actions were blown out of proportion.

 

DeMott applauded him for shaking Bob's hand afterwards.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Listen, the WWF wanted bob holly to go in and rough up one of the kids. They wanted the 'dramatic' element, they wanted people talking about it. It's all booked. Matt was crying like a little bitch when Jonah did his rib - he is an over-emotional little girl, I wouldn't be surprised if the WWF specifically wanted Bob to target him.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

After watching the show I realize I may have misjudged Bill DeMott. It's interesting to see his reaction to Rocco Rock's death.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Eh, as it's been said before, it seems like Matt got upset because Al and the others constantly preached about trusting their opponents and then that was pretty flushed down the toilet when Sparky did what he did, so it's nice to see that Holly been able to reaffirm my opinion that he is, indeed, still a scumbag.

[Guest Nater]

Jesus Fucking Christ you guys are pussies.

 

A cut lip? A swelled eye? A red chest? Cry me a fucking river! Bob Holly worked through a match with a broken arm fer cryin out loud~! Little Boy Matt gets roughed up and all of a sudden it's "assault"? Ladies please, put those pink hankies away and go back to the kitchen...

 

If Matt were a 'real' wrestling fan then shouldn't he know the 'realities' of the business and the sport in general? Shouldn't he have watched tapes of guys getting their ass beat in the ring and know that "gee golly, that must hurt."?

 

But this is the thing - they're not real fans. They are either guys who want to be on TV, or make a lot of money, or have no solid goals in life. They have none of my sympathy because they are living in a mansion getting free food, free travel, free vacations, getting to train with world class wrestlers for free, getting to meet WWF superstars and learn from them, getting to be on TV, and when the heat gets turned up it's all "boo hoo, he hurt my feelins. He ain't playin fair." I think each and every fuckin person on that show should get stiffed into oblivion - walk straight through hell - and THEN, maybe, they can get a contract. But no siree bob, gotta do HIP TOSSES~! And BACK BUMPS! And DROP KICKS! And then RUN UP HILLS! And LISTEN TO CLICHES! And then GO OUT AN PARTY IN CLUBS! Tough Enough is a joke. If getting stiffed is an "epic event" on the show I'd hate to see what "How to Politik" would 'corrupt' their fragile, innocent worlds.

 

Again, is Matt current dead? Any bones broken? Aside from cuts and bruises is there anything to write home about? NO! He got the shit beat out of him - guess what? That's the price you sometimes have to pay to *ahem* "Live your Dreams". Shit, there are probably hundreds of Indy guys out there right now wishing they could get their ass beat like that for the opportunity that Little Boy Matt has.

How many practice matches are worked as stiff as possible. No, this was Bob trying to haze Matt. Sure the TE kids get an easy ride, but ONCE THEY MAKE IT is when they get brutalized. Snow and Bradshaw work stiff THE PROPER WAY. (heh)

 

Who cares if he is a wrestling fan or not, the fact is they all know its Suspension of Disbelief. If working stiff helps maintain that, then fine but pounding a trainee for no purpose besides to be a dickhead suites no purpose.

 

A good lot of people who tried out (not selected) for TE are indie workers and others in the business who need a crack at WWE. Bunching them all together as whiny brats just because those are the ones featured and selected by JR + Crew is bad. Blame the primary evaluation, not the kids picked.

[Guest Anglesault]

So? He should always be ready to take a pounding in the ring. He should know Bob Hollys rep' for being snug and expect to get stiffed.

I don't usually watch the show. But apparently he took it very well from benoit and Regal.

 

It prepares him for the pain. If he can't take the pain, if he can't take a fucking bruised lip and a swelled eye how can he take a broken arm or a torn quad? Unexpected pain DOES happen in the WWF, you ALWAYS have to be ready for it. A stiff kick to the face because a dropkick was too low, a botched moonsault, who knows what can happen? I think it's a damn important lesson to learn.

 

But all of that is botched, accidental, mistakes, whatever. None of it is a guy TRYING to hurt another guy. He was more emotionally hurt by having his trust destroyed than anything.

 

While I am not a fan of Holly's, I wouldn't call him a 'terrible, terrible wrestler'. He is average - nothing special, but nothing horrendous.

 

No, he's pretty damned bad. He has had at least two bad matches with Angle and Benoit each. Not an easy accomplishment.

 

It was from a Superplex. Are you trying to say that Bob Holly Superplexed him the wrong way on purpose? I don't follow.

 

I believe the whole damn match was Holly smashing Page's neck and back as hard as he could.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Holly never suplexed him. The whole time they were in the ring together it was Holly kicking him square in the jaw, eye, and ribs. Then he clubbed him on the back and chopped him a few times.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

How many practice matches are worked as stiff as possible. No, this was Bob trying to haze Matt. Sure the TE kids get an easy ride, but ONCE THEY MAKE IT is when they get brutalized. Snow and Bradshaw work stiff THE PROPER WAY. (heh)

 

So until they get to the WWF it's sunshine, watermelons, and lolipop kisses. GRRR!

 

Who cares if he is a wrestling fan or not, the fact is they all know its Suspension of Disbelief. If working stiff helps maintain that, then fine but pounding a trainee for no purpose besides to be a dickhead suites no purpose.

 

I doesn't? It makes for some good TV.

 

A good lot of people who tried out (not selected) for TE are indie workers and others in the business who need a crack at WWE. Bunching them all together as whiny brats just because those are the ones featured and selected by JR + Crew is bad. Blame the primary evaluation, not the kids picked.

 

I will blame the kids. They know the deal, they accept the deal. Not that the WWF is exempt from bitching - their selection process sucks. They pick people who can run long and fast and look good doing it rather than anyone with heart.

[Guest raptor]

I think Anglesault has the right idea about everything.

 

The people who feel that Bob Holly was unjust and wrong in his actions are not pussies. Its just an opinion. I, for one, am not someone who needs to hide behind a veil of macho bullshit. I'm just concerned about an obviously talented kid. He could take the pain, it seemed to me more about a violation of trust. And that is a very important thing.

 

I also think its kind of sad that people still hang on to the "pay you dues" rhetoric. If someone is talented and has potential to be great, he should not be spat on and denied a shot because he had an easier ride to get his shot.

[Guest Choken One]

SINCE WHEN DOeS BOB MOTHERFUCKING HOLLY warrent 3 fucking pages?

[Guest the pinjockey]

I am sure he got three pages when Angle broke his arm just from AS arguing with other people about Holly.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

How many practice matches are worked as stiff as possible. No, this was Bob trying to haze Matt. Sure the TE kids get an easy ride, but ONCE THEY MAKE IT is when they get brutalized. Snow and Bradshaw work stiff THE PROPER WAY. (heh)

 

So until they get to the WWF it's sunshine, watermelons, and lolipop kisses. GRRR!

 

Who cares if he is a wrestling fan or not, the fact is they all know its Suspension of Disbelief. If working stiff helps maintain that, then fine but pounding a trainee for no purpose besides to be a dickhead suites no purpose.

 

I doesn't? It makes for some good TV.

 

A good lot of people who tried out (not selected) for TE are indie workers and others in the business who need a crack at WWE. Bunching them all together as whiny brats just because those are the ones featured and selected by JR + Crew is bad. Blame the primary evaluation, not the kids picked.

 

I will blame the kids. They know the deal, they accept the deal. Not that the WWF is exempt from bitching - their selection process sucks. They pick people who can run long and fast and look good doing it rather than anyone with heart.

No it shouldn't be lolipops and kisses, but it also shouldn't be intentional harm.

 

He wasn't upset about the pain he was upset about the violation of trust.