Bob Holly Interview

[Guest Anglesault]

BOB MOTHERFUCKING HOLLY

"Sparky" will suffice.

 

And eevrytime he proves what a bitter asshole he is, he gets this. he got it when he retired DDP.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I want to know why he is such a bitter asshole. He has remained gainfully employed without having much talent and never having a gimmick that really did anything, his super-heavyweight deal was fun for a while but it wasn't going to be a main event character.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Mick Foley always theorized that he was bitter about the Spark Plug gimmick..........what a crock. There are other wrestlers out there who have had worse gimmicks........like Kane for example. Do you hear Kane being bitter about "The Christmas Creature"?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Personally I don't think what Holly did was right given his situation as a trainer, being that he abused Matt's trust.

 

All that aside, these kids are the biggest bunch of fuckin tools I've ever seen in my life. They are raised on this show to believe that wrestling is vacations, easy bumps and fun nights on the town. How often are they told about the long drives, shitty motels, injuries and backstage politics? That's what I thought.

 

I guran-fuckin-tee you that 75% of the kids who auditioned for Tough Enough were casual fans or non-fans at all. Why? Because a hardcore, a TRUE wrestling fan would know that guys work stiff. That guys are pricks. That guys will take advantage of you because they can.

 

Anybody on this board who likes Tough Enough and considers it to be anything in the least bit realistic needs to do three things:

 

1) Find a mirror

 

2) Look into it

 

3) Repeat the phrase " I am not a true fan" over and over again until the bullshit that is Tough Enough is driven into your heads.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

But all of that is botched, accidental, mistakes, whatever. None of it is a guy TRYING to hurt another guy. He was more emotionally hurt by having his trust destroyed than anything.

 

Um, so then in order to 'teach' them to deal with unexpected pain the TE folk will just have to, what, slide some marbles into the ring and hope one of the wrestlers slip to make it look like an 'accident'? Emotionally Hurt? Oh... Poor Thing... I feel so... indifferent...about his pain. Now he will have to go see a shrink because he'll have commitment and trust issues from now on...

 

No, he's pretty damned bad. He has had at least two bad matches with Angle and Benoit each. Not an easy accomplishment.

 

Well I'm not here to argue for Holly as a wrestler, so I won't bother spending time with this. About the DDP match - it was a freak accident, I was reading reviews of the match and read nothing to verify your accounts of this. Holly worked on the neck once in the match and Page was the one superplexing.

 

The people who feel that Bob Holly was unjust and wrong in his actions are not pussies.

 

Sure they are.

 

Its just an opinion.

 

A very emasculated opinion.

 

I, for one, am not someone who needs to hide behind a veil of macho bullshit.

 

It's wrestling, it's always been about macho bullshit.

 

I'm just concerned about an obviously talented kid.

 

Kid? Is he like... 7? He's a grown man. He's a grown man who wants to become a wrestler.

 

He could take the pain, it seemed to me more about a violation of trust. And that is a very important thing.

 

Yes, and 9/10 the trust is there. But again "expect the unexpected" - did you think that message could have been equally been effective if they had say, played pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, but then had the donkey really be a balloon and then the ballon would pop and shaving cream would burst out and everyone would laugh and the person blindfolded would laugh to and then they would all eat cake and talk about how wild and crazy it was when the ballon popped and shaving cream flew out?

 

I also think its kind of sad that people still hang on to the "pay you dues" rhetoric. If someone is talented and has potential to be great, he should not be spat on and denied a shot because he had an easier ride to get his shot.

 

Sure he should! Jesus Christ these 'kids' are living a life of luxury and the second things turn sour it's like "stop the ride, someones going to throw up"

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

But all of that is botched, accidental, mistakes, whatever. None of it is a guy TRYING to hurt another guy. He was more emotionally hurt by having his trust destroyed than anything.

 

Um, so then in order to 'teach' them to deal with unexpected pain the TE folk will just have to, what, slide some marbles into the ring and hope one of the wrestlers slip to make it look like an 'accident'? Emotionally Hurt? Oh... Poor Thing... I feel so... indifferent...about his pain. Now he will have to go see a shrink because he'll have commitment and trust issues from now on...

 

No, he's pretty damned bad. He has had at least two bad matches with Angle and Benoit each. Not an easy accomplishment.

 

Well I'm not here to argue for Holly as a wrestler, so I won't bother spending time with this. About the DDP match - it was a freak accident, I was reading reviews of the match and read nothing to verify your accounts of this. Holly worked on the neck once in the match and Page was the one superplexing.

 

The people who feel that Bob Holly was unjust and wrong in his actions are not pussies.

 

Sure they are.

 

Its just an opinion.

 

A very emasculated opinion.

 

I, for one, am not someone who needs to hide behind a veil of macho bullshit.

 

It's wrestling, it's always been about macho bullshit.

 

I'm just concerned about an obviously talented kid.

 

Kid? Is he like... 7? He's a grown man. He's a grown man who wants to become a wrestler.

 

He could take the pain, it seemed to me more about a violation of trust. And that is a very important thing.

 

Yes, and 9/10 the trust is there. But again "expect the unexpected" - did you think that message could have been equally been effective if they had say, played pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, but then had the donkey really be a balloon and then the ballon would pop and shaving cream would burst out and everyone would laugh and the person blindfolded would laugh to and then they would all eat cake and talk about how wild and crazy it was when the ballon popped and shaving cream flew out?

 

I also think its kind of sad that people still hang on to the "pay you dues" rhetoric. If someone is talented and has potential to be great, he should not be spat on and denied a shot because he had an easier ride to get his shot.

 

Sure he should! Jesus Christ these 'kids' are living a life of luxury and the second things turn sour it's like "stop the ride, someones going to throw up"

No they are not pussies for thinking that. It's not an emasculated opinion. I see a man trying to act big by hurting someone I think it's wrong no matter what the circumstances.

 

I watched the match. Nothing was said or done to provoke it. Holly went straight in and automatically started shooting on Matt.

 

If it happened in an actual match between wrestlers with contracts on WWE TV you wouldn't take this stance.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

No they are not pussies for thinking that. It's not an emasculated opinion. I see a man trying to act big by hurting someone I think it's wrong no matter what the circumstances.

 

No, it's pretty "ladylike" to cry "assault" when something as tame as what Bob Holly did. I mean seriously, do you guys even know what a beating is?

 

I watched the match. Nothing was said or done to provoke it. Holly went straight in and automatically started shooting on Matt.

 

"Started Shooting" good lord- so what did he do? Break some bones? No. Leave him in a puddle of blood? No. Did he 'injure' him? No. He just gave him a few boo-boos. Besides we don't know exactly what were bobs motivations. I personally think it was a marketing ploy trying to grab viewers and increase drama. Tough Enough is booked.

 

If it happened in an actual match between wrestlers with contracts on WWE TV you wouldn't take this stance.

 

Depends what wrestlers If they were, you know, hardworking talented deserving wrestlers that I care about getting unfairly treated and beated on in the ring then I would be against 'taking liberaties'. But this is tough enough - a much different context.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

We don't know how hurt he is. Judging from DeMott's words I'd say he's more hurt than they let us know about.

 

I'm sticking by my belief that he's an asshole just trying to show how tough he is.

 

There IS a difference between working stiff and beating someone. If he wanted to work stiff he could have. Lord knows he could have because he always does. Therefore there was no reason to flat out pummel a man when you know how to work stiff and be careful. He could have worn that boy out by just working stiff alone.

 

If you know how to do it and be safe and you "choose" not to then you are out of line.

[Guest Brian]

Bob had some very protected shots, and there were other's where he intentionally wnet out to leave him with marks and hurt him just for the sake of hurting him. I'm not condemning him, because I stand on that what he was doing wasn't wrong, but how he went about it, and to the extremes he went to, were uncalled for. Opening a guy up like that, kicking him in the throat. The chops, the kick, the forearms to the neck are all reasonable. Especially considering most guys, especially coming up like this, will get hazed on the house shows and whenever Al can't protect them.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Bob likes to think he's the toughman backstage and he obviously gets kicks from doing something like this to the poor kid, it's not really a lesson in the business more a lesson on how someone can be an asshole in life. and how does tearing the kid to pieces on the net teach him anything?

[Guest EternallyLazy]

*EDIT*

 

disregard...

 

 

I am really tired and misread something I was going to argue with

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

First off, DDP was the one who Suplex Holy off the Top rope. DDP landed wrong, can't blame that one on Holly.

 

Holly pounding Matt in the back and giving him some stiff chops to the chest is more then fine with me.

 

But to defend that ScumFuck when he went all out and started kicking Matt square in the face a number of times is plain out Stupid.

 

Yes Benoit, Regal, even Angle work a little "Snug".. BUT, they work SAFE.

 

Regal even said to the kid from TE2, "I work stiff, and I'm going to hit you hard, but I hit you where it's safe."

 

Saturn was another one who use to do this shit to Rookies on Heat and I didn't like it.

 

Who cares if Hogan got his leg broke his first match and he doesn't Complain now? Does that make it right? How much is Hogan worth these days?

 

As far as Dynamite Kid goes. He's an Asshole, plain and simple. I'm a fan, but he's an Asshole. And he got his ass kicked a few times for his Attitude.

 

From the Very beginning these kids and any other person breaking into the Business is taught to put their Trust, their Health and their life in the hands of whom their working against.

 

Bob Holly took advanged of that, Yes Accidents happen. That was No Accident.

[Guest Brian]

Angle works snug?

[Guest netslob]

Allright, I haven't watched TE yet, so did Matt really call Bob "Sparky"?

 

no. i was only kidding when i wrote that. sorry to have confused you.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Yet more reason to praise the awesomeness of Brock Lesnar. When he Holly gave him shit, he beat the piss out of him. Hail Brock.

[Guest bob_barron]

Holly: You're not gonna get me up for a powerbomb bitch.

Brock: Oh really??

 

BOOM!

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Okay, since many of you seem to bring up Hogan getting his leg broken, here's the deal (taken from Hogan's E! True Hollywood Story):

 

Hogan was shooting his mouth off around town about how he was a big wrestling star, when he only just started training. Word got back to his trainer, so his trainer broke his ANKLE by dropping a knee across it when Hogan was on all-fours in a standard mat-wrestling training procedure. Hogan admitted he shouldn't have shot his mouth off, and came back when his ankle was all healed to continue training. He got respect for it because he CAME BACK and stopped shooting his mouth off.

 

Now, some of you (mostly Rudo) seem to think that the anti-Sparky people (all but 4 people in this thread so far) don't think the TE kids have it too easy.

 

Do I think they have it too easy? Hell yes. Do I think that they should be forced to share a studio apartment instead of some big mansion, get one peice-of-shit van instead of two expensive and classy SUVs? Yes. Do I think that they should be stiffed here and there so they can learn how to continue a match while getting used to it? Yes. Do I think that Tough Enough makes wrestling training look a lot easier (and a whole different) than what it really is? Fuck yes.

 

There are many ways they could definitely improve Tough Enough (some of my thoughts in the above paragraph, for starters, as well as being made to work local indy shows every now and then so they can see how they're progressing, and get rid of the WWE contract prize and make it just free-training and a huge try-out for WWE). Just because I enjoy watching this show, LORD OF THE CURRY, doesn't make me any less of a true fan than you do.

 

Okay, back from the small rant.

 

Sparky was out of line. Would this thread have been started if Sparky just stiffed Matt with a couple of chops, slams, or suplexes? No. Not even a few elbows. But he went out there with assault on his mind. If Matt were an indy worker instead of a Tough Enough cast member, Holly would have gotten shit from ALL of us.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Read my reply again wizard. Do you think it's realistic in any way? No, you don't judging by your reply. You're safe from mockery.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

THIS YEAR Sparky TRIED to hurt Diamond Dallas Page. Bitter Asshole Sparky RETIRED Diamond Dallas Page.

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I have the match on tape, so it was DDP that brought on the suplexin'. Although what makes me so mad is that the match itself looked was just a filler match. Although, the suplex was a bit funny. Not that it retired DDP obviously, but when DDP landed, his legs arched over and, if I'm not mistaken, both of DDP's feet hit Sparky right in his netherlands. (I've been watching Goldmember...what can I say? )

[Guest MillenniumMan831]

Holly: You're not gonna get me up for a powerbomb bitch.

Brock: Oh really??

 

BOOM!

LOL!

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

God I can't believe all the skirts on this message board.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

Shame on them for taking Bob to task for his unwarranted abuse of someone.

[Guest CanadianChick]

God I can't believe all the skirts on this message board.

The sterotype isn't nessesary.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

It is when he has no real argument to back up his point of view.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

I agree with Canadian Chick. Although, even if I'm a gal, how could I be considered a "skirt" if I never wear one?

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

From the Honky Tonk Man's website (he has a website? Heh..never knew that..)

 

After Bob Holly's recent actions on WWE Tough Enough 3, much of the Internet is in an uproar. Holly, who was a trainer on Tough Enough 2, returned along with previous trainers and Tough Enough winners to wrestle with the cast of TE3. At one point, Holly was tagged in and began physically attacking a cast member, Matt. He brutally beat him by laying vicious kicks into his face.

 

Matt suffered a variety of injuries from the clearly uncalled for attack. Holly went on WWE.com yesterday and talked about how the cast is nothing but crybabies and that he was teaching Matt a lesson. I can't really decipher what that lesson was, unless it's that Holly is an asshole.

 

WWE's favorite jobber, Bob Holly seems to be really impressed with himself. One can only wonder how impressed he was when he was doing something similar to Brock Lesner, and Brock dropped him on his head and took him out of action. I think it only proves that Bob "Thurman Sparky Plug, Spark Plug, Bombastic" Holly isn't really tough enough. If the WWE had any sense, he would have been fired the moment they heard about this. Then he could show the guys in the unemployment line just how tough he is.

[Guest razazteca]

well Bob Holly got a push on a 3rd rate wrestling show, whats next, is he going to smack around the Island Boys.

[Guest Mad Dog]

It was pretty tame considering that a lot of trainers will break someone's arm to teach that same lesson.

 

Holly was most likely told to go in there and rough someone up to that degree anyway.

[Guest wwF1587]

I watched TEIII and that pissed me off when I saw Bob beatin up Matt like that... Matt didnt deserve it, its not his fault TE was created.. he is just benefitting from it and getting a shot.... Holly's an ass and I hope when/if he comes back he gets the shiznit kicked out of him

[Guest razazteca]

to me it looked like the second Bob attacked Matt with the strike to the back Matt just froze and did not defend himself at all or bring anything to the match, but of course the editing made it look that way.