Guest cynicalprofit Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Lets say something good/bad happens, and HHH and Steiner both, oh I dont know, tear all four of their quads on the 19th, who will the WWF then put in the Raw ME time, and who will they give the belt to? And will Vince loose his faith in HHH if the ratings go back up with him gone and someone else carrying the show?
Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767 Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 It won't happen. Just like the ratings won't go up with shows headlined by the likes of RVD and Jericho. This discussion has been run into the ground.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Well, first, hell would freeze over. Then, I guess there'd be a huge power struggle in the back..we're talking Washington D.C. style politics being dropped down. I could see them giving Jericho the ball again, even though he is the best heel right now. If the split stays intact, I could see Jericho becoming the top dog..and reforming the Canadian Horsemen...which would perhaps piss off Triple H if he was really serious about bringing them back for his own gain. Only, when Triple H comes back this time, I could see Jericho starting to play the political games to bury HHH, which would be interesting, especially seeing the posts around here if that went down.
Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767 Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 God, I don't want to see this stupid "Canadian Horsemen" thing. It'd most likely consist of Jericho, Benoit, Edge, and Christian. And the name "Canadian Horsemen" is so ghey, it reeks of Smarkness. I'd rather see the HHHorsemen with Jericho as second banana than the laughable "Canadian Horsemen." Everytime I think of them with that silly name, I see four Mounties on horseback gaurding a National park. Bad ass heels they are not.
Guest Brian Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 A tourney leading to No Way Out with a heel winning and probably a babyface involved in the chase for the title. My guess would be Jericho leading to Michaels, but puttting the title back on Michaels is horribly stupid at this point so I'd say let Jericho seriously injure him at No Way Out, next night on RAW have Shawn come out obviously in lots of pain and have Jericho kill him, where he has the old school liontamer locked in after multiple chairshots and have RVD or Booker T run in to make the save (I'm leaning towards Booker but the Golddust break-up will have to be over with). If they go with RVD, I guess you do the Kane thing post-Mania and run Kane/RVD for a month where Kane is the unstopabble heel. Since the rumble is after all the title matches, there should be little booking involved. I guess the way I had it before would involve Shawn and Jericho making a double turn at Mania, after Shawn gets knocked out first in the rumble and later eliminates Jericho when he's alone with Brock, after Jeriho has picked number one and lasted the whole match while Shawn, despite his challenge chickened out and picked a higher number, let's say twenty-eight. Instead, just have them get eliminated by Brock at the same time after their heat boils over and they can't win the match for the RAW brand and earn the main event spot of Mania (which they need to put on the line to make it seem more valuable). Then, they can do a thing where Bischoff blames Michaels, makes him wrestle an extra qualifying match in the tourney, which gives him an excuse. And in the end he can stand in RVD's corner (Flair takes Jericho's on HHH's orders setting up RVD/HHH down the line), somewhat of a passing of showstopper to another, and raise his hand after he wins.
Guest the 1inch punch Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Micheals wont agree to job to Jericho
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Busboy the glorified troll: I don't think anyone proposed calling them "Canadian Horsemen" but rather a stable of 4 talented, gifted Canadian athletes in the spirit of the Horsemen. They already have a backstage clique of sorts, the "Canadian Mafia" so just pick four the best ones--maybe Test in there if you *must* have a hoss-like muscle for the group (he can carry the bags or something), and give them an original name. Not make it sound like a Canadian division of the Horsemen, but make it better than HHH's group would have been. And if out of nowhere they had to put him in such a spot, it wouldn't work so well since they've booked Jericho to look like a chump for so long. They did seem to almost decide to do the stable idea until Jericho's allegiance with the UnAmericans split. However, they need to be mostly filled with good wrestlers, have charisma, and be heel, arrogant motherfuckers who are living the high life and loving it, not the boring nazi-like UnAmericans who were only out for cheap nationalistic heat.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 God, I don't want to see this stupid "Canadian Horsemen" thing. It'd most likely consist of Jericho, Benoit, Edge, and Christian. And the name "Canadian Horsemen" is so ghey, it reeks of Smarkness. I'd rather see the HHHorsemen with Jericho as second banana than the laughable "Canadian Horsemen." Everytime I think of them with that silly name, I see four Mounties on horseback gaurding a National park. Bad ass heels they are not. I don't want to see either group. It's obvious that the HHHorsemen will suck, and the Canadian Horsemen would almost surely include Test for unexplored reasons.
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 God, I don't want to see this stupid "Canadian Horsemen" thing. It'd most likely consist of Jericho, Benoit, Edge, and Christian. And the name "Canadian Horsemen" is so ghey, it reeks of Smarkness. I'd rather see the HHHorsemen with Jericho as second banana than the laughable "Canadian Horsemen." Everytime I think of them with that silly name, I see four Mounties on horseback gaurding a National park. Bad ass heels they are not. I don't want to see either group. It's obvious that the HHHorsemen will suck, and the Canadian Horsemen would almost surely include Test for unexplored reasons. Unexplored reasons? Oh come on, we know what they are. Test is a future star, just ask Linda or Shane, or even Vince or Steph.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Well...if they both got injured on the same day? I would cry b/c I mark for BPP. Then I would hold a gigantic party for the death of HHH's wrestling career. Then I dunno......probably Jericho or RVD would be given the ball.
Guest razazteca Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 they would give Jericho a major push after he wins a tourny on Nitro after beating Kane, Booker T, and RVD. But the big push would get sandbagged as the manager of Jericho would get all of the attention, making it a Lameduck reign Part 2, well until Nathan Jones shows up.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 But the big push would get sandbagged as the manager of Jericho would get all of the attention, making it a Lameduck reign Part 2, well until Nathan Jones shows up. Not necessarily. Angle DOES have a manager, technically, and I thought it would suck, but it's actually kind of cooler this way. Oh yeah, it's Jericho we're talking about. He'd be fucked.
Guest razazteca Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 there is a big difference between Paul E and McMahan in manager abilities.....Shane would be good but Vince or Steph are kill-joys. Team Angle good The Dudley Do Right Mounties or UnAmericans bad
Guest The Old Me Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 If they both get hurt, then Austin will go to RAW and become the champion in short order. I know he may have beef with Gerwitz or whatever that writers name is, but going straight to the top is what Austin would love.
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 If they both get hurt, then Austin will go to RAW and become the champion in short order. I know he may have beef with Gerwitz or whatever that writers name is, but going straight to the top is what Austin would love. I hadn't actually thought of that. Some people may think that Austin is a selfish S.O.B but he will put people over. Not quite as much as Rock, but he'd be a much better top star on the show than HHH--who monopolizes the main events on Raw.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 And most people also seem to forget that Austin was being forced out of that company at the time of the walk out. They balme him for the walkout, but if he would have stayed, he would have been humiliated and THEN shoved out. The wheels were in motion.
Guest The Old Me Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 And most people also seem to forget that Austin was being forced out of that company at the time of the walk out. They balme him for the walkout, but if he would have stayed, he would have been humiliated and THEN shoved out. The wheels were in motion. I never forgot that, and Austin WILL snap again when that happens, but as of right now, Vince is thinking that Austin can be his #1 star again. And if ratings go up upon his return, Austin can do no wrong in their eyes.
Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767 Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Busboy the glorified troll: I don't think anyone proposed calling them "Canadian Horsemen" but rather a stable of 4 talented, gifted Canadian athletes in the spirit of the Horsemen. They already have a backstage clique of sorts, the "Canadian Mafia" so just pick four the best ones--maybe Test in there if you *must* have a hoss-like muscle for the group (he can carry the bags or something), and give them an original name. Not make it sound like a Canadian division of the Horsemen, but make it better than HHH's group would have been. And if out of nowhere they had to put him in such a spot, it wouldn't work so well since they've booked Jericho to look like a chump for so long. They did seem to almost decide to do the stable idea until Jericho's allegiance with the UnAmericans split. However, they need to be mostly filled with good wrestlers, have charisma, and be heel, arrogant motherfuckers who are living the high life and loving it, not the boring nazi-like UnAmericans who were only out for cheap nationalistic heat. BS the Condenscending Asshole who gave me my user title idea: The "Canadian Horsemen" has been an idea prevailant on this and other boards for some time. Also, there's been ideas of having a 4 Horsemen stable that consists of Jericho/Benoit/Eddie/Angle. While that is cool to smarks, it'd get pretty bland after awhile becuase Jericho would be carrying the team as the "normal" one. Benoit sucks on the mic, Eddie is still playing his low rent "Cheech" character, and Kurt is/was too goofy. Not the super badasses I'd expect. As much you hate them or dislike them, the HHHorsemen can be built into something decent as two of them really have no personality and HHH can *hopefully* go back to his 2000 level heel, character wise at least. And like I said, throw in Jericho and you have a decent stable.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 How about NOT ressurrecting the Horsemen at all? I don't care if HHH/Flair/Orton/Batista team up, or HHH/Jericho/Orton/Batista, or HHH/Batista/Storm/Regal or what the damn combination will be, but is it REALLY necessary to drag the Horsemen name through the mud with this? It's pretty damn idealistic to automatically assume that HHH will get to his 2000 level (how long has it been now... August was the heel turn... thus six months and counting), and I and many others, believe me, have no confidence that the WWE "brain"trust has the ability to book it correctly. Let the sleeping dog that is the Four Horsemen lie, for God's sake. It deserves that much.
Guest midnight_burn Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 If both Steiner and HHH got hurt they'd just stick the belt back on HBK, because 2 cripples main eventing just isn't enough.
Guest Brian Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Micheals wont agree to job to Jericho My take on it is that the reason Michaels is facing Jericho is to put him over rather than HHH, so that down the line HHH has an opponent to go over and he's basically the only long-term main eventer on RAW who has the ability to put someone over right now.
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Busboy the glorified troll: I don't think anyone proposed calling them "Canadian Horsemen" but rather a stable of 4 talented, gifted Canadian athletes in the spirit of the Horsemen. They already have a backstage clique of sorts, the "Canadian Mafia" so just pick four the best ones--maybe Test in there if you *must* have a hoss-like muscle for the group (he can carry the bags or something), and give them an original name. Not make it sound like a Canadian division of the Horsemen, but make it better than HHH's group would have been. And if out of nowhere they had to put him in such a spot, it wouldn't work so well since they've booked Jericho to look like a chump for so long. They did seem to almost decide to do the stable idea until Jericho's allegiance with the UnAmericans split. However, they need to be mostly filled with good wrestlers, have charisma, and be heel, arrogant motherfuckers who are living the high life and loving it, not the boring nazi-like UnAmericans who were only out for cheap nationalistic heat. BS the Condenscending Asshole who gave me my user title idea: The "Canadian Horsemen" has been an idea prevailant on this and other boards for some time. Also, there's been ideas of having a 4 Horsemen stable that consists of Jericho/Benoit/Eddie/Angle. While that is cool to smarks, it'd get pretty bland after awhile becuase Jericho would be carrying the team as the "normal" one. Benoit sucks on the mic, Eddie is still playing his low rent "Cheech" character, and Kurt is/was too goofy. Not the super badasses I'd expect. As much you hate them or dislike them, the HHHorsemen can be built into something decent as two of them really have no personality and HHH can *hopefully* go back to his 2000 level heel, character wise at least. And like I said, throw in Jericho and you have a decent stable. Guy who got banned: Neither Eddy or Kurt are Canadian, and no one proposed for them to be part of this stable. Benoit was just fine in WCW as part of the real Horsemen, also. He was getting over fine on his wrestling as well, and Flair and Arn served as the mouthpieces quite well. With Malenko and Benoit in the group, the last forms of the Horsemen were serious, ass-kicking style wrestlers unlike the party-hard original horsemen. It worked quite well. However, if they intended to do it in the spirit of the original Horsemen, they'd have to have Canadians who had passable mic skills. Benoit is fine on SD, as are Eddy and Kurt--which are not Canadians or proposed members for the group. It might actually be a good role for Edge. However, don't call them the Horsemen. Something new, please.
Guest The Czech Republic Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 How about the Maple Leaf Mafia? Or does that create visions of hockey players beating the crap out of guys saying "If you don't pay me back you'll never see your kids agayne, eh"
Guest snuffbox Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 As far as the topic goes, if HHH and Steiner both got hurt...well, thatd open two main event spots for deserving, talented, and over workers. And Im sure Superstar Billy Graham just loves watching two guys who have stolen his gimmick and are now both on the same tragic highway he rode. Graham has found light in his life, but sadly his body is a shambles nowadays. Steiner and HHH have both allready guranteed themselves severe physical complications down the road, more sooner than later.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Superstar Billy Graham is actually a fan of Steiners and has been for quite some time now. I've read an interview where he does nothing but praise Steiner for his character, citing the push up gimmick as something he gets a kick out of
Guest snuffbox Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Hmmm..I did not know that. I stand corrected. Kinda amazing considering the ammount of remorse that Superstar now has for his steroid abuse. The successes of Ventura, Hogan, HHH (to a lesser extent), and Steiner all have to be of some value to Superstar as theyre all derived from his character. Im just not so sure hes glowing at his obvious knowledge of the grim facts that lie in the future for the Scott Steiners and Paul Levesques of the world.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 I know what you're saying. What's kind of scary is that HHH and Steiner are both larger and more bulked up than Superstar was during the height of his steroid abuse... which means that it's possible that they (especially Steiner...) might have it worse in the future
Guest Dangerous A Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 I know what you're saying. What's kind of scary is that HHH and Steiner are both larger and more bulked up than Superstar was during the height of his steroid abuse... which means that it's possible that they (especially Steiner...) might have it worse in the future That is the price you pay for fame in this industry. It seems that you either a) take all kinds of chemicals (steroids aren't the only things these guys abuse) to enhance your physique or b) you take insane risks and bumps a la Foley and Jeff Hardy all for the sake of getting noticed or getting that elusive push. These guys are abusing their bodies one way or the other. Choice b has immediate and long term effects while choice a usually has just long term effects not seen until years down the line which is why most wrestlers usually go the route of altering their bodies using steroids and what have you.
Guest Luke Cage Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 There'd be a Raw competition to see whose casts had the best signatures.
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 Lets say something good/bad happens, and HHH and Steiner both, oh I dont know, tear all four of their quads on the 19th, who will the WWF then put in the Raw ME time, and who will they give the belt to? And will Vince loose his faith in HHH if the ratings go back up with him gone and someone else carrying the show? World Champion Batista is what would happen.
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