Rock getting booed??

January 16, 2003

It was just sad seeing Booker T basically get mega buried in his first match as member of the nWo.

As opposed the wonderful way Rock put him over?

He beat him more times than I can remember, often time in handicap matches, basically called him retarded on national TV, took his WCW title from him, had a Booker T midget imitate him in a hil-arious skit that was far better when we hadn't seen it 1,000 times--did I leave anything out?

In fact, only recently have WWE done anything to Booker T BUT bury him.

And the "super faces" aways are able to battle back an assault of overwhelming odds like some one in a bad martial arts flick vs. incompetent ninjas. Austin, Rock, Hogan, Sting--it's just the way wrestling is booked.

January 16, 2003

Yeah, Booker was completely buried from the get-go. Losing the title to Angle, the Rock feud, Austin. It's amazing how he got over.

January 16, 2003

Yea but Rock at least sold his offense and tried to make it look he had a hope in hell of winning. I remember after Summerslam JR and Heyman both put over Booker's performance as the match could've gone either way.

The midget made Booker T more angrier and more aggressive so at least they had a reason for it. I think they just made the match a handicap match because they didn't think the fans would buy a show with the same two matches from last time.

The lumberjack match was just disgusting as Austin could've sold one move or maybe made it look like he was making any sort of an effort.

January 16, 2003

Rock wasn't being told by HHH that Vince was trying to cross him, being dropped down the roster, and had his kids bail on him.

January 16, 2003

Let's try to agree on one thing here...

Austin left the company because the product sucked. He blatantly said the writing was "piss poor". He grew cynical and frustrated with his job, and slacked off. It's happened to the best of us. That's why fans haven't turned on him.

Rock left the WWE to go to Hollywood and film shitty movies with the guy from Road Trip who gets his prostate milked, whatever his name is. And this movie will bomb. Rock is nothing without wrestling, and the fans know it. His face persona is terribly stale and fabricated, and he is now (in the eyes of fans) just a prima donna who bails on wrestling after a month or two.

You can't turn your back on your fans and not expect backlash. The difference between Austin and Rock is that most people didn't understand why Austin left, but everyone knows why Rocky left... to make MONEY.

January 16, 2003

Austin was more than willing to work with Booker before the nWo came about. I remember them having several matches before No Way Out that saw Austin give him plenty of offense and make him look good. Though their mini feud was hardly a success, it's not as if Austin was out to burry him.

Austin hated the nWo idea. He sold more for Brock Lesnar in that lumberjack match than Booker or anyone else. Booker did get burried. But it's not as if anyone cared about Booker to begin with.

Booker was a lame-duck champion, both in WCW and in the WWF once he arived there. He was over as a face, but once the entire Aliance turned heel, he had to as well, and that's when everyone stopped giving a crap. He lost to Rock, got overshadowed by Shane in that feud, and then did a round of jobs to a bunch of people, most notably the Undertaker, who pinned him clean on pay per view. He was an afterthought at Survivor Series and though he cost Austin the Undisputed Title at Armageddon, there was almost no explanation given other than "he's with MchMahon now," or something equally stupid. His appearance in the Royal Rumble was telling, as he got taken out by Crips almost instantly. He was dead in the water long before joining the nWo.

So while Austin is still at fault for burrying the entire nWo, I'm pretty sure he didn't have anything against Booker in particular.

January 16, 2003

Really now? Get the hatred right. Austin walked out because of the KotR Qualifying match with Brock Lesnar. And before you say "well, Rock put him over," his beef was about the lack of build up--doing it out of nowhere.

That's what I said! He bailed because he had to do a job! Was it built really, really well? NO! But it's just one loss and Steve ran home, leaving Eddie and Benoit hanging. Steve sure does not seem to have any problem kicking the hell out of everyone with no build up. Why is this an issue when he loses?

If it had been proposed to him to win the title, face Brock on PPV with a storyline "injury" and THEN job I really don't think he'd have been upset about it in the least.

Also, it's great that we have you as an eye witness to him hitting Debra, since you seem so damn sure about it. I don't know about whether or not he did or not, but we know Austin stole his first wife from his trainer and Debra is a golddigger so neither of them are exactly angels.

Wait a minute, you make this up off the top of your head with no evidence to support it, and I'm supposed to accept it. But when I bring up him beating Debra, I need to be an eye witness to it? Regardless of the the police reports and the trial and everything?

20 or 30 others buried? Huh? Unless you mean the Alliance storyline and the nWo, I don't get it. However, he complained that the nWo should have been looking stronger and it fell on deaf ears. Plus, Vince was looking to make the WCW/Alliance look like shit from the start.

The Alliance, The nWo, The Corporation, the entire field of a Royal Rumble (who were ALL out to get him, and still couldn't)... Do I need to draw you a map? Beating up the entire Alliance at once, and Tazz in particular didn't help any of them. Making the nWo look strong was the last thing Austin had on his mind while shooting nets at them and taking Hall hostage. Owen, Jarrett, Eddie, Booker, Rikishi, Big Show, Matt Hardy, Spike Dudley, and Tajiri all on an individual basis... How much evidence do you need?

Just get it out and say "I hate Austin" instead of fabricating things. Oh, he didn't want to work with Hogan either--even though Hogan would have likely had to put him over anyway.

Right, I made it all up. I invented all those Austin squashes in my mind. Weird.

As Barron said, also the fans don't know about the backstage shit, but they know that they are bombarded with more bullshit about the Rock's latest movie. Playing commercials for it during the shows would be enough, but shilling left and right kinda hurts. The Rock has been overexposed even without him wrestling, it's understandable that fans are pissed off.

I don't get to watch RAW, so I don't know about WWE in totallity, but I watch Smackdown every week and can never remember seeing one add for Helldarado or whatever its called.

January 16, 2003

Austin left the company because the product sucked. He blatantly said the writing was "piss poor". He grew cynical and frustrated with his job, and slacked off. It's happened to the best of us. That's why fans haven't turned on him.

Austin left because he didn't have the same role that he once had as Asskicker Supreme. When Austin doesn't win all the time, he always gets less motivated and slacks off quite a bit, you can see it through his entire career. This time he just took it a step further and walked out while still being under contract. But since he's "against McMahon" in this case and the product stinks, he's allowed to pull the same crap Triple H does and everyone turns a blind eye.

Rock left the WWE to go to Hollywood and film shitty movies with the guy from Road Trip who gets his prostate milked, whatever his name is. And this movie will bomb. Rock is nothing without wrestling, and the fans know it. His face persona is terribly stale and fabricated, and he is now (in the eyes of fans) just a prima donna who bails on wrestling after a month or two.

Rock left the WWE to make movies because he gets paid more and doesn't have to cripple himself to do it. Why should he wrestle for a bunch of pricks who don't appreciate him anyway? You know, despite doing everything a wrestler should do while he's around? I look forward to The Rock being back because he wrestles well and entertains me without pulling a bunch of primadonna bull plop. I cannot say the same about Austin.

You can't turn your back on your fans and not expect backlash. The difference between Austin and Rock is that most people didn't understand why Austin left, but everyone knows why Rocky left... to make MONEY.

Fuck the fans and their ignorant bull shit. Oh, no! Rock is going to make money instead of standing around here where we can shit on him! WAHHH! FUCK THE FANS.

January 16, 2003

Austin was more than willing to work with Booker before the nWo came about. I remember them having several matches before No Way Out that saw Austin give him plenty of offense and make him look good. Though their mini feud was hardly a success, it's not as if Austin was out to burry him.

Austin hated the nWo idea. He sold more for Brock Lesnar in that lumberjack match than Booker or anyone else. Booker did get burried. But it's not as if anyone cared about Booker to begin with.

Booker was a lame-duck champion, both in WCW and in the WWF once he arived there. He was over as a face, but once the entire Aliance turned heel, he had to as well, and that's when everyone stopped giving a crap. He lost to Rock, got overshadowed by Shane in that feud, and then did a round of jobs to a bunch of people, most notably the Undertaker, who pinned him clean on pay per view. He was an afterthought at Survivor Series and though he cost Austin the Undisputed Title at Armageddon, there was almost no explanation given other than "he's with MchMahon now," or something equally stupid. His appearance in the Royal Rumble was telling, as he got taken out by Crips almost instantly. He was dead in the water long before joining the nWo.

So while Austin is still at fault for burrying the entire nWo, I'm pretty sure he didn't have anything against Booker in particular.

Booker wasn't a lame duck champion in WCW. He had a nice two month reign and did a title switch with Nash to build interest for Fall Brawl.

I agree that his other reigns was just to build to his job to Steiner but in his first reign he defended the title frequently and was made to look like a strong champion.

His storyline at the Survivor Series was that him and RVD weren't getting along- they were the Rock and Jericho of the Alliance. The story was dropped pretty quickly when they realised no one cared.

Their minifeud was okay- Austin did a job in his first blood match but they had stupid stuff like the brawl in the supermarket and the thing with the church.

He cost Austin the Undisputed title at Vengeance not Armageddon. He was mad about Austin costing his team at the Survivor Series and since Mr. McMahon could not live with Austin as champion he was backing anyone who was willing to screw Austin over. (Booker, Angle, Jericho, Nick Patrick)

Booker T was not taken out by Triple H at the Royal Rumble and in fact did not have any contact with him all. He ran in, tossed out RVD, did the Spinaroonie and then Stone Cold did a really horrible stunner on him but it caused him to fly out of the ring.

I don't think Austin has anything against Booker either but I figured that maybe this was their way of trying to build him back up and then I had to witness Austin squash him back down.

January 16, 2003

I don't get to watch RAW, so I don't know about WWE in totallity, but I watch Smackdown every week and can never remember seeing one add for Helldarado or whatever its called.

He was referring to the Scorpion King and how they did ram it down our throats. I didn't mind it too much but it is annoying that I bought his DVD and half of it was a commercial for the movie

January 16, 2003

I don't get to watch RAW, so I don't know about WWE in totallity, but I watch Smackdown every week and can never remember seeing one add for Helldarado or whatever its called.

He was referring to the Scorpion King and how they did ram it down our throats. I didn't mind it too much but it is annoying that I bought his DVD and half of it was a commercial for the movie

Helldorado is also still being filmed. Just WAIT until it's ready to roll out in the theaters...

January 16, 2003

WAHHH! FUCK THE FANS.

Yeah, that'll draw tons of money. Maybe you should send Vince your resume.

January 16, 2003

WAHHH! FUCK THE FANS.

Yeah, that'll draw tons of money. Maybe you should send Vince your resume.

The live fans aren't any better at deciding what will make money either, I give you the Hogan push. All I know that if I was The Rock, I would be in no hurry to get back to the ring and have to deal with wrestling fans again.

January 16, 2003

You said fuck the fans- you didn't say just fuck the live fans.

The fans pay their hard earned money to be entertained for three hours- they're what drives WWE and to say' FUCK THE FANS' cause they interpret a situation differently is just ignorant

January 16, 2003

Sometimes the fans are ignorant and deserve to be told so when the majority of them have a stupid opinion (in, of course, my opinion). Keeping in mind I don't work for WWE or anything and I don't get any of their money, I really don't care how much money the fans spend on the product. I'm not in the WWE public relations department, so I can do that sort of thing.

January 16, 2003

Steve Austin = Roy Keane. Anyone who knows anything about what you Yanks call soccer will get the analogy. Its really quite scary. Talented fuckhead walks out on the Irish team prior to the World Cup due to having a massive overblown ego-bordering on Messiah complex and yet somehow the dumb-fuck Irish fans still love him. Strangely enough, Keane is also a thug who has perpetrated unwarranted acts of assault on the football pitch. Fairly similar to the man who beats up his wife...

January 16, 2003

Goodear, I agree for the most part about what you said about Austin, and agree, Rocky has put over a LOT of people well, but fuck the fans because they booed him?

It would be great if it were like AJPW and the fans were used to applauding and respecting everyone, even the monster bastards, due to the hard work, but then AJPW doesn't have people being run over by trucks and the like. The WWE has conditioned the fans to boo and cheer whomever they like or dislike, it's not any better or worse a system, just different.

The fans booed the greatest American worker in Ric Flair for decades. Well FUCK them for booing him.

January 17, 2003

Comparing Japan isn't at all fair, since they don't respond during matches for the most part, and just watch. They don't start chants, especially not "booooring," and just enjoy the psychology of the match.

In the US, we'd call that a "dead crowd," because if they are into it US fans MAKE SOME NOOOOOIZE!!!

January 17, 2003

Booker wasn't a lame duck champion in WCW. He had a nice two month reign and did a title switch with Nash to build interest for Fall Brawl.

He really didn't beat anyone above upper mid-card levle. You could make a case for Goldberg, but with the heel turn I'm really not sure how much that could have meant to anyone. He went over Sting as well, but only after interferance from whoever the hell it was he was feuding with at the time.

The "title change" to Nash was done terribly since the way Kev turned on him made Booker look like a goof. Nash claiming that he "didn't feel like defending the title" to anyone didn't really build anticipation for Booker's revenge, either.

"Their minifeud was okay- Austin did a job in his first blood match but they had stupid stuff like the brawl in the supermarket and the thing with the church."

Yeah, agreed there. I'm suprised Russo hasn't stolen those ideas yet, seeing how "edgy" they were.

"He cost Austin the Undisputed title at Vengeance not Armageddon. He was mad about Austin costing his team at the Survivor Series and since Mr. McMahon could not live with Austin as champion he was backing anyone who was willing to screw Austin over. (Booker, Angle, Jericho, Nick Patrick)"

Sorry, should have said "The December pay per view" since that what I meant. As for Booker's intesions, they didn't seem to be explained very well since he was often shown hanging out with Vince, but no relationship was ever really established.

"Booker T was not taken out by Triple H at the Royal Rumble and in fact did not have any contact with him all. He ran in, tossed out RVD, did the Spinaroonie and then Stone Cold did a really horrible stunner on him but it caused him to fly out of the ring."

Ah, there's my memory wearing thin again. I did remember him being elimated in a goofy way, so I wasn't that far off.

"I don't think Austin has anything against Booker either but I figured that maybe this was their way of trying to build him back up and then I had to witness Austin squash him back down."

I don't think the WWE every intended to elevate Booker using the nWo angle. He was always portrayed as a fluky, the guy who hung around while everyone else did the work. The way Shawn turned on him made him really bad also (a re-occuring trend, it would seem) because (i) Shawn wasn't an active wrestler at the time and (ii) Booker wasn't even booked strong against the active members of the nWo like Big Show and X-Pac.

It's amazing that Booker is over right now. For a while there, I thought he would just give up and retire with zero heat, mainly due to bone-headed booking.

January 17, 2003

Booker still being mega over is a testament to his charisma and his connection with the fans.

During his title reign it seemed like they were trying to make him look good- they put him over Storm in the midst of his mega push and they put him over Jarrett a couple times.

I don't remember the Nash feud too much- I just rememer Nash put him over cleanly. It looked they were going to do the right thing and keep feeding heels to Booker to get him more over and try to restore credibility to the WCW title but then Russo reared his ugly head.

I never understood (well yea I do) why they had BookDust job to nWo that one night on RAW. I was at a house show a week later where they did the same match but BookDust won and the crowd went absolutely insane.

It's so weird thinking how ungodly over Booker would be if he was actually pushed strong and not stuck jobbing to Fat Samoans and people who can't defeat Jim Ross.

January 17, 2003

The list of "Choads BookDust were forced to job to," is quite lengthy. The fact that they took the titles off them so fast was ridiculous, but it almost makes sense, considering how long it took WWE Creative to put the titles on them already, making all of their possible title defenses played out.

The Nash feud did end with clean job, but I'm really not sure what good it did, considering Nash had already burried Booker and the Belt quite a bit.

Then again, considering this is 2000 WCW we're talking about, both of those had been burried to the point of no return, so it's not like any of it mattered, really.

January 17, 2003

One that thing always bugged me and REALLY pissed me off was how BookDust lost to Team Canada at Summerslam.

Then two weeks later Kane beats Team Canada in a handicap match.

THEN they take the belts off Team Canada and put them Kane-i-cane.

Here's an idea dipshits: WHY NOT JUST PUT THE BELTS ON BOOKDUST???

Regal is my favourite wrestler but I understand that he shouldn't get a main event push and I'm willing to accept that. But we have Booker T a guy who is over, can work, has paid his dues, and he continues to get pushed 1 step forward and 10 steps backward.

The Rock seems to be high on Booker T and since Booker can go on the mic- why not do Rock v. Booker at WM and have Rock put Booker over.

January 17, 2003

I'm a big Rock fan. Is it just New York, that hates him?

No, because Rock is usually over in NYC.

This isn't the first time there has been a big backlash against The Rock. The fans booed him when he faced Austin at WrestleMania X-7, the fans booed him when he faced Hogan at WrestleMania X8, and the fans booed him when he faced Brock at SummerSlam.

Basically, people view him as a traitor and a sell-out for running off to Hollywood. He also comes off as a real insincere individual who is full of himself, and I'm not just talking about when he's "in character". He's got that overbearing, egomaniac movie star aura about him that everybody hates.

January 17, 2003

The Rock seems to be high on Booker T and since Booker can go on the mic- why not do Rock v. Booker at WM and have Rock put Booker over.

I kinda hope they don't. It'd be frustrating because if you're gonna do that, it would've done SO much more good during the inVasion.

January 17, 2003

The Rock seems to be high on Booker T and since Booker can go on the mic- why not do Rock v. Booker at WM and have Rock put Booker over.

Hey, you'd get no complaints out of me with an idea like that.

Frank Jewett wrote a great Phantasy Booking scenerio on tOA a about a month ago (I think Cooke may have posted a link here) that talked about having Booker/Rock at WM and it seemed like it would work out fine.

Here it is.

January 17, 2003

I wouldn't say NYC fans always like to react wrongly to megafaces or megaheels. Hogan got a number of big pops in NYC over the years and it's the city that cheered for Sammartino for years.

Rock is very overexposed. His character became lost in Bland Face Syndrome (from Jericho-like flashy outfits to gym shorts and his latest Shopzone tee) and six weeks after that touching "this is home" promo, he took off again.

Yeah, Toronto hates the guy. He was booked against Hogan, has been the top foil for the always-over SCSA, and uses an incredibly ugly Sharpshooter. Why wouldn't Canadians hate him?

I have no problem with him going off and becoming a movie star. He has the looks. But if that's what he wants to do, he needs to cut ties with the WWE and stop this "He's a wrestler AND a movie star!" routine becuase it's painfully obvious he doesn't have enough time for both.

January 17, 2003

I don't see Booker being put over by anyone. He's lost in the shuffle. They are too busy building Jericho to bomb big, and Steiner is your new face from WCW that is getting Booker's push. Goldberg is on the way and Booker is stuck with his buddy Goldust despite desparately needing a push and deserving one, at that.

Rock, on the other hand just needs one or two of these new movies to flop, then he'll come home. I say when Helldorado bombs and he can't even get kids to come see Johnny Bravo because it isn't funny, Rocky will be back and be the bitter heel for a long time.

January 17, 2003

The Rock seems to be high on Booker T and since Booker can go on the mic- why not do Rock v. Booker at WM and have Rock put Booker over.

I kinda hope they don't. It'd be frustrating because if you're gonna do that, it would've done SO much more good during the inVasion.

They had to put Rock over Booker since they were fucking over the fans with Austin v. Angle. Just because it'd be frustrating doesn't mean they shouldn't do it.

I wouldn't mind Rock v. RVD either but my fear is Rock will kill RVD on the mic. With Booker- that won't happen.

BTW- NYC has never shown any hatred for Rock before last Tuesday. At the two shows I've been to he got his usual huge pop

January 17, 2003

The Rock seems to be high on Booker T and since Booker can go on the mic- why not do Rock v. Booker at WM and have Rock put Booker over.

I kinda hope they don't. It'd be frustrating because if you're gonna do that, it would've done SO much more good during the inVasion.

They had to put Rock over Booker since they were fucking over the fans with Austin v. Angle. Just because it'd be frustrating doesn't mean they shouldn't do it.

I wouldn't mind Rock v. RVD either but my fear is Rock will kill RVD on the mic. With Booker- that won't happen.

BTW- NYC has never shown any hatred for Rock before last Tuesday. At the two shows I've been to he got his usual huge pop

Booker can be good on the mic, but overall is overrated. For example, did you hear his promo against Bishoff backstage 2 Raws ago? WTF was he saying?

January 17, 2003

He was talking about Rikishi doing the stinkface. I think.

Yes sometimes the Book can be a bit hard to understand but his 'Theory of Relatives' promo owns all.

Rock getting booed??

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