Guest Kibagami Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 they might be able to if they played their cards right but the problem is they never do so i have no clue what mania is looking like so i guess we'll have to wait and see I know I've told you to go here at least once. K.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 ON THE MAT Angle has Brock's number, they could EASILY play that up. You think "well, Angle is a better 'wrestler' than Brock" is going to erase the memories of the Brock over Angle AND Show massacre from last month? Tell them that all they want. They've SEEN what happens if Brock gets Angle by himself. They could have ran Angle is better than Brock, but they destroyed that by having Brock massacre Angle. That's why you have to have Angle surrounded by people who can hold Brock back. And Heyman's group does not do that AT ALL. They haven't even slowed the man down. It's ridiculous.
Guest Mole Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Anglesault, you are missing the point... Brock is supposed to look like a monster. He isn't supposed to look weak going into WM, that wouldn't make any sense. Angle/Brock feud is going to be good. It barely has started yet, and you are whinning about it. Shut up and just watch, WM is a few months away, let the feud set up. Damn man.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Again AS, the psychology of the feud and and the match can be centered around amateur wrestling. Like Angle said, the name of the game is wrestling. Brock didn't out wrestle Angle before - it was brawling, it was power. They could have Heyman say "Brock, we know you are stronger than Angle, but lets face facts - Angle is smarter than you, Angle is quicker than you, Angle is more experienced than you, and Angle is a better WRESTLER than you. You may be a 2 time NCAA champ, but you never took it to the level that Kurt Angle has. You don't have the Gold. You are not the best in the world like Kurt Angle is. On the Mat, Kurt Angle has your number." Since Brock is always up for a challenge (as evidenced with the Big Show match at RR) he will play it Angles way. Since Benjamin was a teammate of Brock, he knows how Brock wrestles, he knows brocks strategy, he knows how to beat Brock Lesnar. Since Paul Heyman knows Brock on a mental level, Angle has THAT advantage as well. They could easily build all this up with the time they have until WM. Have Angle school Lesnar on the mat - Have Brock get frustrated and question his ability to beat Angle on that level. It's the first time Brock has ever done that - he never questioned himself vs. The Rock, or Taker, or Big Show, or when he was amateur wrestling in College - but this is the first time he has felt weakness and he doesn't know how to deal with it. Angle exploits this and bests him. It is now up to Brock to get that mental roadblock out of his head and train his ass off to beat Kurt. Come Wrestlemania the question is "Can Brock beat Angle on the Mat".
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Anglesault, you are missing the point... Brock is supposed to look like a monster. He isn't supposed to look weak going into WM, that wouldn't make any sense. Yes it would. What the hell is the point of making the main event of Wrestlemania a formality? That's fucking stupid as hell. Have Brock win every single week and overcome every single obstacle until he finally trounces Angle at Mania? Ooh, Compelling TV at it's finest. He MUST look weak. And Rudo, good luck trying to get the fans to care about that. They want to see "Brock Smash" And I was under the impression that Team Angle was there to build up Brock as an underdog. "Can Brock overcome Angle AND his cronies?"
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 I know I've told you to go here at least once. K. That's not his problem though. What he needs to read is this
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 The fans would care since being amateur wrestlers has been both mens gimmicks since each respectively debuted. Would their whole match be amateur based? No, of course not. That's the great thing about it, when Angle is in trouble he can go to Amateur and Speed, when Brock is in trouble he can go to Smash/Clubber/Boom. They can base their whole match around that psychology and would make for an excellent match given both mens workrate. Hass was picked because he is the next Kurt Angle - Benjamin was picked because he was Brocks roommate in college. They are not supposed to be better than Brock, they are rookies, but they have their use in the grand scheme of things.
Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Oh, look at me my name's Anglesault. Dammit, Angle's being booked in stupid mid-card feuds againsts Kane, he should be made to look credible! Dammit, Angle's looking good with good opponents, but I won't be happy til he's champ! Dammit, Angle's champ, but he won it in such a way he looks weak, I won't be happy till he looks strong! Dammit, Angle's Winning PPV main events for the WWE title clean in ****+ main events, but I won't be happy til he main events a wrestlemania. Dammit, he's going to main event a wrestlemania in what should be a good match against another former amateur champion, but I'm not happy cos I'm Anglesault and I can't be happy dammit! I might have to change my favourite wrestler cos soon I'll have nothing to bitch and moan like a girl about.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Dammit, Angle's being booked in stupid mid-card feuds againsts Kane, You say that like it didn't happen. Dammit, Angle's champ, but he won it in such a way he looks weak, I won't be happy till he looks strong! Such a horrible mindset, I know. Dammit, Angle's Winning PPV main events for the WWE title clean in ****+ main events, but I won't be happy til he main events a wrestlemania. Uhm, okay then. Dammit, he's going to main event a wrestlemania in what should be a good match against another former amateur champion First of all, I don't have the high hopes you all have for that match. I predict ***1/2ish. So I want a decent storyline to make up for it. Brock foiling Heyman and getting the upper hand every week sucks.
Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 I agreed with you when Angle was being booked in stupid mid-card feuds against Kane, But now, you just sound like a whiney bitch! Brock and Kurt have just today "officially" started their feud leading to wrestlemania, and having the babyface look so weak this early is no way to gain fan support, as they will just see him as a dumb-ass succumbing to the evil schemes of the Heyman empire. A bit of give and take is in order in the weeks leading up to Wrestlemania, I agree, but to say the feud is ruined already smacks of someone clutching at straws to find something to gripe about. And in case you haven't seen, Keith at 411/Smarks gave Angle v Benoit ****3/4 stars.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Brock and Kurt have just today "officially" started their feud leading to wrestlemania, They started it a month ago. This Heyman/Show Angle was PART of that feud. Or are you saying that because The match was just "signed" today? So.... Rock and HHH were feuding through much of the end of 1999 and beginning of 2000. But it wasn't a Wrestlemania bound feud until the Rumble? and having the babyface look so weak this early is no way to gain fan support, as they will just see him as a dumb-ass succumbing to the evil schemes of the Heyman empire. So it's much better to make the Heyman Empire Look like 8 guys or whatever the fuck they are who can't get ANYTHING accomplished against Brock? Angle? Killed by Brock. Heyman? Humiliated. Show? killed and humiliated. Henchmen Albert, Shannon Moore and Matt Hardy? Almost crippled. Damn that evil heel stable for making Brock's life a living hell. At some point or another it has to look like Brock might LOSE this feud. Since it began in November, he's gone over every single week. Not good. And in case you haven't seen, Keith at 411/Smarks gave Angle v Benoit ****3/4 stars. Yeah, I know. And the match also made both Angle and Benoit credible MEs. (Not credible to hold up against Brock at this point, but God himself would be humiliated by Super Brock right now)
Mecha Mummy Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 ... What, exactly, is wrong with a *** match? That sounds good enough to me. Oh, and while making a babyface look weak in the beginning of the feud is a bad idea, I think it would have been great if Angle cost Brock the Rumble and Jericho had won instead of being sacrificed to TEST of all people. I know that HBK interfered, but still... TEST! The only problem with that is that it would ruin Jericho vs. HBK which should be a pretty good match.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 ... What, exactly, is wrong with a *** match? That sounds good enough to me. Passable.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Oh, look at me my name's Anglesault. Dammit, Angle's being booked in stupid mid-card feuds againsts Kane, he should be made to look credible! Dammit, Angle's looking good with good opponents, but I won't be happy til he's champ! Dammit, Angle's champ, but he won it in such a way he looks weak, I won't be happy till he looks strong! Dammit, Angle's Winning PPV main events for the WWE title clean in ****+ main events, but I won't be happy til he main events a wrestlemania. Dammit, he's going to main event a wrestlemania in what should be a good match against another former amateur champion, but I'm not happy cos I'm Anglesault and I can't be happy dammit! I might have to change my favourite wrestler cos soon I'll have nothing to bitch and moan like a girl about. **** and a half. Post of the Year contender. You would have gotten ***** if you had remembered "Damnit, Angle's been given the coolest stable since the Hart Foundation, but I won't be happy until they go over the entire roster."
Guest Anglesault Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Damnit, Angle's been given the coolest stable since the Hart Foundation, but I won't be happy until they go over the entire roster." I don't complain about the stable. And I wanted him out of the main of Mania so he could face Austin in a good match.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 They need to have Team Angle and other Heyman Cronies do a completely disgusting mother of all heel beatdowns with clubs, stun guns, hammers, chairs, wrenches, and lead pipes, and totally annihilate Lesnar, then smash his knee, leaving Brock on crutches the same way Lesnar did to Kurt. Make it an uber-beatdown that lasts for like 5 minutes, but doesn't get into the realm of semi trucks and ambulances. Brock doesn't have a weakness, so the Heels put their heads together and make one.
Guest Joejigatame Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 ^^^^ That's probably the plan. Heyman and Team Angle get desperate, so do anything to keep Brock away from Kurt. It may lead to Rhyno coming in as well, as Heyman's trump card. Then at No Way Out, Brock vs Rhyno. If Rhyno wins, Brock loses his shot, if Brock wins, Heyman leaves SmackDown. Oops, I went off on a bit of a tangent there. Anyway, it's encouraging that WWE is building this match up for three months. It beats Angle's last 'Mania feud with Kane, which was built up for a week. Angle was made to look strong last night against Benoit as well. As for having a good match, at this point, he'll have a better match with Brock, not Austin.
Guest The Old Me Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 The Rhyno scenario sounds decent. I am looking forward to Angle vs Brock, if they build it right. There is still plenty of time left for that though. Brock has somewhat been kept seperate from Angle this past month, so Brock has really only looked very dominant over Show, whom he should murder as Show is just a fat piece of shit. fucking run on sentences
Guest Rob Edwards Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 What if they make Brock look unstoppable going into Mania and have Angle finally beat him there neatly setting up another 3 months programming AS?
Guest Brian Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 How about Angle foils Brock? You know, the guy who has an Olympic gold medal and two NCAA championships to Brock's one. The guy who's been in the WWE three times as long, won three time as many WWE championships, and arguably had a better first year. The guy who now has the brains behind Brock on his side. With enough surprise attacks and big beatdowns, and another clean win for Angle at NWO and a loss for Brock they could do it. But they blew the story three months ago.
Guest treble charged Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Team Angle should beat Brock in a handicap match (either by cheating or interference from Angle) at No Way Out. This kind of casts some doubt on the outcome of the Mania match, in my eyes, at least.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 Adam, Brock MUST win at Mania for any of this to have a point. so Brock has really only looked very dominant over Show, He also killed Angle and took both members of Team Angle out at once. he'll have a better match with Brock, not Austin. Brock is better than Austin? I missed that memo.
Guest HHHater Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 If Brock keeps working with Show on pay-per-view, Angle is gonna blow him up at Mania.
Guest ManKinnd Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 Wouldn't Brock have looked more God-like if he came in earlier than #29?
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 The heels have been made to look weak, but Heyman could put a bounty on Brock and everyone on Smackdown will be gunning for him even more. Eventually have someone come in and injure Brock's ankle or something, to the point where he can barely wrestle in the WM match, setting things up for the Angle match at Wrestlemania. Do the thing where you fold the steel chair over his ankle and stomp on it ala Austin/Pillman. That way Brock seems very vulnerable, and Cole & Tazz can question whether Brock will be able to withstand the Ankle Lock without tapping out. Of course, Brock wins the title back at Wrestlemania.
Guest El Satanico Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 How is this any different than when Austin always foiled Vince's plan. Austin did the same type of things so did you bitch about it when he did it.
Guest Mole Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 Anglesault, you are missing the point... Brock is supposed to look like a monster. He isn't supposed to look weak going into WM, that wouldn't make any sense. Yes it would. What the hell is the point of making the main event of Wrestlemania a formality? That's fucking stupid as hell. Have Brock win every single week and overcome every single obstacle until he finally trounces Angle at Mania? Ooh, Compelling TV at it's finest. He MUST look weak. And Rudo, good luck trying to get the fans to care about that. They want to see "Brock Smash" And I was under the impression that Team Angle was there to build up Brock as an underdog. "Can Brock overcome Angle AND his cronies?" God Damn AS, the feud HASN'T EVEN FUCKIN STARTED YET!!!!!!! Brock is going to be made into a monster, but he still will get his beat downs and such. This feud won't be onsided, I'll tell you that. Just sit back and enjoy the damn feud. You're jumping all over his Brock's back, when the feud hasn't even begun yet. It makes no sense whatsoever. I swear to GoD, you are the biggest whinner on this board when it comes to things like this. If you think it is going to suck, then it is. I can't wait when this feud kicks ass, just to shove it down your throat. If it sucks, then I will accept that I fucked up, and that Vince is indeed a fuckin retard. However, LET THE FUCKIN FEUD START FIRST, before you shoot it down. It would be like saying "Ohh, the Super Bowl is going to suck this year" How do you know that? It looks good on paper, just like this feud. Like I said before, just sit back and enjoy it. God damn man.
Guest Super Pissed Smark Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 I don't know why you've got your panties in a bunch, they're obviously going to follow the tried and true formula that worked so well last year, with Heyman playing Stephanie, Angle as Jericho, and, well I guess we still have an opening for Lucy, but maybe they could start calling Sheldon Benjamin "Benji" and have him go all over the rug. Anyway, it doesn't matter, Angle has the intensity, integrity and intelligence to tackle any kind of stain, and Brock will do a great job beating him at WrestleMania. Look on the bright side, once they job Angle out maybe he'll get to grow his hair back, perhaps even a goatee like Chris J. Complaining about it all being so obvious is pointless, as no one here can do anything about it anyway. Suck it up and enjoy whatever meager scraps of entertaiment Vince will let you nibble on. Don't expect suspense to be on the menu.
Guest Mole Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 What? Heyman will not play the role of Steph in this feud. Heyman doesn't even come out with Angle, so why would be play Steph's part in the feud? The feud is going to be about Team Angle vs Brock. Brock is going to have to overcome all odds against Team Angle, and win at the end. He will be beat down tons of times, not just by Team Angle, but a few times by just Kurt himself. If you gave me the book in this feud, it would be one of the best ever. But I still have to get through college, so we will have to wait before I get to book a wrestling promotion.
Guest Super Pissed Smark Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 No offense, but the number of wrestling promotions is very limited, and the number of wrestling promotions with an opening for a head booker is basically zero. Good luck with college, anyway. And I think Heyman will make a great Steph, he's already on TV almost as much as she was and I can easily see him in very tight dresses. Frilly, colorful, leather and lace stuff. Paul will look so pretty. Though I'm not sure if this means Brock will have to marry him....
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