New talent being pushed...

[Guest Mole]

In the crowd is begging for Austin, someone said that why do we want Austin back, when he is an old talent. Most of the wrestling fans are asking for new talent to be pushed to the top of the card, so why do we want Austin back?

 

It got me thinking, aren't we getting that right now? Other than Triple-Juice, a lof of new talent are being pushed to the top of the card. Granted, not all of them are SmarK favorites, but they are new talent. Raw has Batista, Randy Orton, Maven, Chris Nowinski, Chris Jericho, Test, etc. All of these people are new, and are getting decent pushes, other than Maven and Nowinski.

 

On Smackdown, we have Kurt Angle as champion, with his best run as champion, IMHO. Team Angle is getting a lot of air time, and are some fine damn talent. Brock is getting a huge push, and has improved a whole bunch in the past 10-11 months that he has been here. Edge is getting push, even though he isn't that new, he is young. Benoit is the most over he has been as a face in a long time, and if they don't ruin it with him, this could be big. Matt Hardy has a great character, and is progressing greatly with this angle. Shannon Moore is also looking great in this angle with Matt. Rey is a new talent and is getting a pretty decent push. He isn't that young, but he isn't that old either.

 

I could go on about the talent, but my point is that the problem right now isn't the fact that Vince isn't pushing new talent, but the storylines are just shitty. Yes, some of the talent isn't to everyone's liking. However, the young talent is being pushed, which is the right step.

 

I know people's argument is that Vince is pushing young talent, but now the right young talent. People are bashing Batista, but he hasn't been given the right change yet. I seem to be the only one who likes Batista, but that is a discussion within itself.

 

Basically young talent is being pushed, but the storylines are what are lacking. When Austin and are brought back, they aren't getting any younger. They might be the thing that will jumpstart the promotion, allowing younger talent to be then shot up even farther.

 

If young talent are out there and being pushed, they still need to be established with the fans as a real contendor. Brock wouldn't be as huge if he didn't win the title of Rock. Fans saw that he was maybe 'The Next Big Thing' and bought into it.

 

Austin can't be around forever. I hope he knows that he will have to put some younger talent over within the next year. When this happens, these storylines and putting the younger talent over might help WWE back on top.

 

Well, this is a just a thought. I don't know, I'm not working for WWE right now, so what do I know?

[Guest EricMM]

People don't want young talent per se, they want good talent. Benoit is certainly not YOUNG but he's good so people like him.

 

It seems on average, that past a certain age wrestlers become boring, but that isn't always the case.

 

People believe that when Austin returns, chances are good that he will be entertaining. We want HHH out not becaues he's old in years, but because he's old as in OLD NEWS! He's beyond stale, he hasn't driven any angles in years, and most people don't really care about him anymore.

 

However young Bautista is, he's never shown me that he has anything that I want to see, period. Therefore I'd rather see SCSA than him.

[Guest creativename]

When people say they want new talent, it is implied that this talent should be actually be, well, talented...or at least talented in the eyes of most of the fans, since talent can be subjective on some levels (though certainly not entirely--for instance, Kurt Angle is talented, Giant Gonzales was not).

 

An analogy would be people asking for creative and original storylines...but when they get necrophilia, you cannot expect them to be satisfied.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

1. He's pushing young talent, but it's mainly the wrong young talent. He has possible breakout stars just waiting to be made, but refuses to really let them have a shot. They're getting older every day.

 

2. The writing is so fucking bad that guys who aren't Booker T (and maybe Benoit, after Sunday night), are just not going to get over. And even if they do, see 1.

 

3. Something really cataclysmic is going to have to happen to change 1 and 2, because Vince does not view them as problems.

 

4. Austin can be very entertaining all on his own, bypassing the shitty writing, and veto-ing their most horrifyingly awful ideas, but he can only help himself and whoever he's against. Everyone else is on their own.

 

5. Austin can only do so many jobs before they become worthless, so he has to choose them wisely. Benoit at Wrestlemania would be a good start.

 

6. Whoever Austin puts over is then going to have to deal with 1 and 2 all on their own and that doesn't even take into account certain persons, whhho won't be named, that will naturally try to sabotage them, neutralizing any rub Austin may have given them and sending them back down the card.

 

7. This whole fucking company is hopeless. Return to step 1 and start over.

[Guest Mole]

Yes, I see what everyone is saying. I even said that in my rant, people don't just want to see new/young talent, but new/young talent that are talented.

 

Here are the following wrestlers who I believe are talented, and are getting a good amount of air time. Christian, Maven, Chris Nowinski, Hass, Benjiman, Brock, Edge, Matt Hardy, Rey, Noble, Moore, Orton, Hurricane, Kidman, Chavo, Cena, and Funaki. Most of these wrestlers are on Smackdown, but these guys are all getting a decent push and are young/new talented wrestlers.

 

Benoit, Angle, Storm, Eddie, and Jericho are also getting good pushes. Granted, they aren't too young, but these guys are talented. RVD, Booker T, and Goldust are talented wrestlers, but they aren't getting that big of a push. I'd love to see Booker get a push, but he is going to be 38 in March, so he is pretty old. I guess I understand why Vince isn't pushing him, because of his age. However, that still is no excuse not to push one of the most over wrestlers on Raw.

 

I personally like Batista, so it doesn't bother me he is getting a push. I like Test's new character, so that doesn't bother me either. I am also a fan of D'Lo Brown. Kane is the best hoss that Raw has, so him getting air time doesn't really bother me. He does get a big pop, so him hanging around in the mid-card can't really hurt anyone. Steiner was also mad over, so his push makes sense. Well, he did suck it up hardcore at RR, and he still got a decent pop on Raw.

 

A-Train, Big Show, Triple-Juice, Jeff Hardy and Undertaker are the only wrestlers that come to mind that just suck who are getting pushes. If you think about it, there are more young/new talented wrestlers on the rosters getting pushes than non-talented wrestlers.

 

WWE's problem is storylines, plain and simple. They fix that, then everything will be fine. Actually, just fix Raw, and everything will be fine in my book.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

This thread needs more Sean O'Haire. I'll be damned if these big video packages don't constitute a push in the making.

 

I'd love to see Booker T be in the main event title scene, even if he doesn't win the belt to avoid a screw up of his five-time-goofy-ass-staring-at-hand gimmick thing. I'd say put him in the title scene but never let him win The Big One, then when he retires (something he's been considering lately), let him retire as Champ and then vacate the belt.

[Guest Mole]

O'Haire's gimmick looks great. I hope that helps him get over, because when I was at Raw last week, his wrestling was SLOPPY as fuck. He messed up a good three times, which really disapointed me.

[LooseCannon25 0]

The vignesttes with O'Haire and Nathan Jones are fantastic. They seem to be headed in the right direction pushing fresh talent and youngsters like O'Haire, Jones, Shannon Moore, John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista....even if i dont like all of those guys. The problem with Triple H is that everyone says the guy is old and stale and this and that, yet when his entrance music hits he gets one of the loudest pops of the night ALWAYS.......as a freakin heel. If you were WWE would you depush one of the most, if not THE most over guy on RAW. When people start sitting on their hands when he comes out and you can hear crickets thats when HHH wont be taking up all of that TV time.

[Guest notJames]

The vignesttes with O'Haire and Nathan Jones are fantastic. They seem to be headed in the right direction pushing fresh talent and youngsters like O'Haire, Jones, Shannon Moore, John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista....even if i dont like all of those guys. The problem with Triple H is that everyone says the guy is old and stale and this and that, yet when his entrance music hits he gets one of the loudest pops of the night ALWAYS.......as a freakin heel. If you were WWE would you depush one of the most, if not THE most over guy on RAW. When people start sitting on their hands when he comes out and you can hear crickets thats when HHH wont be taking up all of that TV time.

The problem with the HHH argument is that the only thing they pop for is his entrance. Hell, if you gave that entrance to Maven, the fans would pop too.

 

It all boils down to one thing: if Vince and Co. want to push someone, they'll do it at all costs. Was HHH really that good or popular in late '99 to warrant his push? Not really. But they gave him 10-minute entrances with loud music and pyro, had him beat everyone decisively, pushed him in the top slot against or with the McMahons... he got over through the sheer relentlessness of the Powers That Be. If they put even a tenth of that marketing into someone like Booker T, who is actually popular with the fans, who knows how far he could go?

 

As far as new talent, I've never been a big fan of Shannon Moore, and probably never will be, but damn, he was pretty funny trying to keep Mattitude in the Rumble, absorbing all his punishment and whatnot. However, the eventual retribution against v1.0 will only work if he gets a personality transplant between now and then.

 

Batista's done nothing to warrant his spot. He's been wrestling for almost 5 months(?) and been given a complete character makeover, and he still only has two or three non-clothesline moves in his moveset. I guess the Hoss rule still applies.

 

And awesome vignettes can only go so far if guys like O'Haire and Jones can't get it done in the ring. And from what I've seen of the Natural Green Thriller, he still has a long way to go.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I hear what you're saying.......but even when Triple H had "my time" as his entrance as well as "my time" without words he was still getting pops from the crowd, and the only time i remember him having pyro was in DX. Give the WWE credit for shoving the guy down our throat in 99 and establashing him as the big time bad ass top heel in 2000. I agree that if they do that with other big names it would work.

[Guest jester]

It all boils down to one thing: if Vince and Co. want to push someone, they'll do it at all costs. Was HHH really that good or popular in late '99 to warrant his push? Not really. But they gave him 10-minute entrances with loud music and pyro, had him beat everyone decisively, pushed him in the top slot against or with the McMahons... he got over through the sheer relentlessness of the Powers That Be. If they put even a tenth of that marketing into someone like Booker T, who is actually popular with the fans, who knows how far he could go?

 

As far as new talent, I've never been a big fan of Shannon Moore, and probably never will be, but damn, he was pretty funny trying to keep Mattitude in the Rumble, absorbing all his punishment and whatnot. However, the eventual retribution against v1.0 will only work if he gets a personality transplant between now and then.

 

Batista's done nothing to warrant his spot. He's been wrestling for almost 5 months(?) and been given a complete character makeover, and he still only has two or three non-clothesline moves in his moveset. I guess the Hoss rule still applies.

 

And awesome vignettes can only go so far if guys like O'Haire and Jones can't get it done in the ring. And from what I've seen of the Natural Green Thriller, he still has a long way to go.

AMEN.

 

Think of it as simple economics. Batista is getting no reaction right now. Sure, if they got Metallica to write him a personal entrance theme and let him squash everyone in the company, and wrote him to come out strong in 20 major angles, he'd probably eventually get over.

 

They have done dick all with RVD, and people still cheer him. They push Booker for about five second at a time, and he's still cheered too.

 

If they'd divert just 1/5th of the effort they do into getting people to care about the vanilla gorillas to RVD and Booker, they'd be insanely over.

[Guest Brian]

At least they did something with RVD at one point. They haven't even tried with Booker.