Crash Holly on steroids = Brock Lesnar

[Guest art_vandelay]

Bottom line: Brock is over.

 

He may not be the full-package that many others who are currently below him on the roster are, but that doesn't take away the fact that the fans are responding to him. Credit goes to the WWE for turning a mediocre performer into a top face, no?

 

We all know that if they put as much effort into pushing Benoit, RVD, and Booker, they'd all be as over, perhaps even more than Brock, but unfortunately, they haven't. That's still no reason to dislike Lesnar. The WWE gave him the ball, and he successfully ran with it.

 

They didn't FORCE you to like him. They can't. Ultimately, it's the fan's decision whether or not a character is accepted. Why was the Lex Express a failure?

[Guest AndrewTS]

They had no reason to care about him going around in a BUS and of course when they gave him his big shot he choked, and they gave the fans a choice between Bret Hart and Luger.

 

And Bret won out. There ya go.

 

At least when they push guys these days they go for more tried-and-true methods. Brock could have ended up like Rocky Maivia did, and he sure as hell doesn't have the charisma to become like the Rock.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I think some of you guys are forgetting that this guy is very young and still new to this somewhat. You jump all over the guy DESPITE him being very over with the crowd now. You talk about The Rock how charismatic he is and stuff, i dare anyone here to say that they saw how much charisma Rock had when he was Mr. Maivia. If anyone says they saw it back then they'd be full of shit. MY point is give the guy time, he's already over....he's not bad in the ring and will only get over, and the mic skills will come. We all love Benoit here and all of a sudden we're all gonna pretend like he posseses the charisma and mic skills that Brock doesnt have? Give me a break. And it's not fair to compare the wonderful smackdown six to him cause he uses a power style. Give the guy some time and stop friggin complaining about everyone that gets pushed.

[Guest Anglesault]

And AGAIN, we have found someone that you cannot compare Brock to. You can't compare them because Maivia was NOT a main eventer and sure as fuck was not main eventing Wrestlemania. Brock is, so we can't give him three years to improve on the many things he sucks at. If he's going to be a main eventer, must improve, and he must do it now. And if he is going to main event against this crop of guys on Smackdown, he sure as fuck must improve in the ring.

 

We all love Benoit here and all of a sudden we're all gonna pretend like he posseses the charisma and mic skills that Brock doesnt have

 

Benoit is not Brock level bad on the mic. He doesn't ramble.

 

And it's not fair to compare the wonderful smackdown six to him cause he uses a power style

 

Oh, so Albert doesn't suck, he's just misunderstood.

 

Give the guy some time

 

Okay, I'll give him until he wins the belt again. I did this last time, and he failed, but I'll do it again. If, by the time they want Brock to carry the company, he hasn't improved substantially on the mic and in the ring, he should be demoted.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

he should be demoted when he's super over and they'd only put Undertaker in his slot?

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

I'm calling it now...

 

Next year...

 

Test eliminates Kurt Angle from the Royal Rumble...

[Guest Anglesault]

he should be demoted when he's super over and they'd only put Undertaker in his slot?

Because there are people more over and competant (Way more competant) than him.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Competent? Yes, competent, more over and with youth on their side? Well theres Edge but you don't like him either

[Guest Anglesault]

I have three requirements for being the biggest star in the company. Let's put Brock to the test.

 

1) Massively over. Check

 

2) Awesome matches. Absolutely not.

 

3) Good promos, or preferably, the ability to get the point across on the mic? Nope.

 

1 for 3. That sucks.

 

 

Hey, lookee, I can name six other guys on SD! that can cut a better promo and put on a much better match than him. That makes them more competent. The heel in the group is just as over, One Face is as over, one is almost as over, despite LOSING EVERY SINGLE MATCH HE'S IN, and the other two have been fucked around with by a Tweener turn for no real reason. None of them are old men. There we go. Found six guys who can take the spot. Wanna venture a guess as to who they are?

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I'm sure I can but I'm guessing none of them have the marketability potential Brock has

[LooseCannon25 0]

uuuum......so now you're comparing Brock to Albert anglesault? <_<

[Guest Nater]

Unfortunately WWE's criteria is different than ours.

 

Image. Size, face, build.

Interest. Heat, mic work, match work.

Money. Sales, ratings, reliablity.

 

WWE is a business and all 3 of those work for eachother.

 

As fans, we want to see:

Quality. Can we get into the matches?

Personality. Does he-uh put you to sleep-uh?

Peer Reaction. *chirp-chirp*

 

Brock has the build and size, he draws heat, and I'm sure his drawing is debatable. I dig his matches, they are predictable but thats the Goldberg factor that I enjoy. He has no personality as a face/no Heyman. I wouldnt feel embarassed to pop for him.

 

Bickering about how many *'s a guy can crank out is just nitpicking. Brock certainly has room for improvement and has been pushed very rapidly.. but IT WORKED. And thats the bottom line for WWE.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Hey, lookee, I can name six other guys on SD! that can cut a better promo and put on a much better match than him. That makes them more competent. The heel in the group is just as over, One Face is as over, one is almost as over, despite LOSING EVERY SINGLE MATCH HE'S IN, and the other two have been fucked around with by a Tweener turn for no real reason. None of them are old men. There we go. Found six guys who can take the spot. Wanna venture a guess as to who they are?

I counted five guys in your rundown, AS.

[Guest Anglesault]

::Goes throught the Clue "1 + 1 + 2 +" sequence"::

 

Damnit, that what i get for not naming names. 2 equally over faces, (Benoit, Edge) 1 Equally over heel, (Angle) one almost as over face despite his never winning, (Rey) and 2 tweeners who were super over heels.(Eddie, Chavo)

 

Bickering about how many *'s a guy can crank out is just nitpicking.

 

Not really. It's a wrestling company. If one guy can have a really, really good match, (Let's say, Benoit) all the time, and one has less than stellar matches (Brock) who should get pushed?

 

uuuum......so now you're comparing Brock to Albert anglesault? <_<

 

Why not? Albert doesn't suck. He's just a power wrestler.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

It's a wrestling BUSINESS AS you push the guys you think can draw, as much as I love Benoit he's never really drawn anywhere

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Benoit hasn't been pushed nor hyped as much as Brock - not even close. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't know, the fans seemed very in to Benoit at the Rumble.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Brock-Taker HiaC was fucking awesome. Most under-rated match of 02, I reckon. Brock was a sodding Shawn Michaels '96 incarnate with his crazed bumping. I read someone else's opinion, I think it was at A1wrestling, and they said that no-one has ever made Taker look so strong and vulnerable at the same time. It was a balls-out brawl with a great finish. Come to think of it, its my second favourite match of 2002 after the tag title match at the same event. It saddens me when people over-look ability due to this crappy politics/push crap. Brock is better then anyone on Raw apart from maybe Jericho, and thats just a maybe. I know there are supporters of Booker's work, but I've concluded that I just don't like his overall style and find him stale. I'd take Brock anyday.

[Guest Brian]

How do you manipulate that checklist for RVD, AS?

[Guest Anglesault]

Brock is better then anyone on Raw apart from maybe Jericho

 

And he shows it each and every time he goes out there! Or maybe he's just having lousy matches to shock me when he finally busts out his "Better than anyone else" SKILLZ. I remember when people were saying this guy was a 300 pound Angle. I just don't see it.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

How do you manipulate that checklist for RVD, AS?

Score one for the side of reason. Is RVD even truly massively over anymore?

[Guest Anglesault]

How do you manipulate that checklist for RVD, AS?

2 out of 3. He has some fun matches. He's also better than nearly anyone else on Raw.

[Guest Brian]

Fun matches aren't always good matches and they surely aren't awesome matches.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Brock is better then anyone on Raw apart from maybe Jericho

 

And he shows it each and every time he goes out there! Or maybe he's just having lousy matches to shock me when he finally busts out his "Better than anyone else" SKILLZ. I remember when people were saying this guy was a 300 pound Angle. I just don't see it.

95% of your posts are about meaningless politics and how much you hate storylines. I see little to think that you are any kind of good judge of actual matches themselves, seeing as they seem to be a rather low priority of yours. Angle is god-like at present, but Brock's HiaC with Taker was a better match and a greater achievement work-wise then anything Angle did in his first six months in the WWE. Angle only really started cranking out high-end matches on any kind of regular basis after No Way Out 2001. And Angle was given better workers to help him learn, too. RVD's matches are no longer fun. They are stale and formulaic.

[Guest Brian]

Angle showed promise for a long-time, he didn't become a great worker until after the Austin feud.

[Guest Anglesault]

Fun matches aren't always good matches and they surely aren't awesome matches.

Very, Very valid point. And proof that he would never really survive on SD!. Raw, he' s as good as it gets.

 

Still, I have cooled off on the guy a bit lately.

 

but Brock's HiaC with Taker was a better match and a greater achievement work-wise then anything Angle did in his first six months in the WWE

 

Wasn't better than Angle/Jericho or Angle/Jericho/Benoit. not at all.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

It was. Angle-Jericho was good and fun, but a little shallow. The Mania triple threat was all kinds of disjointed, including a spectacular fuck-up on a dragon suplex from Benoit to Angle. Match had no flow. And besides, Jericho and Benoit. My point exactly. Slightly better opponents for a prospective uppercarder than RVD, Undertaker and the fucking Big Show.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Lesnar really hasn't gotten the chance to work on a continous basis against any real talent.

[Guest Anglesault]

Slightly better opponents for a prospective uppercarder than RVD, Undertaker and the fucking Big Show

 

Taker and Big Show I'll give you, but it isn't exactly hard to have a good match with RVD. Brock couldn't.

 

You know, my standards may be to high. That's entirely possible. But I also believe that when you are being pushed over much more worthy people due to circumstances pretty much out of your control, it's up to YOU to do your damndest and at least try to justify it. Bust your ass out there.

 

What I'm trying to say, is, of course it's not Brock's fault that he is being pushed over Benoit. But I do think he should have tried to the best of his abilities to justify that. I don't think he has. Maybe at Mania he will prove me wrong.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Slightly better opponents for a prospective uppercarder than RVD, Undertaker and the fucking Big Show

 

Taker and Big Show I'll give you, but it isn't exactly hard to have a good match with RVD.

You're joking, right? Seriously? Of course its hard to have a good match with RVD, as RVD is not a good wrestler. Even worse, by the time Brock came along RVD had given up trying to become a better wrestler like he was doing in 2001 and had allowed himself to slump into the stale predictable formula that all his matches do. Benoit couldn't have a good match with RVD either, despite what all the RVD marks say. The RVD-Eddie matches are massively over-rated. I don't ever remember any stellar Angle-RVD matches either. If your definition of good matches involves anything RVD did in 2002 then I'm afraid we at crossed purposes as to what a good match entails. So no, by my reckoning Brock has been deprived of any decent talent to work with for any length of time.