The Infalibility of The Bible FAQ

[Guest RobJohnstone]

SO that proves evolution? Yawn....... Don't you think if they could acually prove it, it would cease to be the Theory of Evolution and become LAW? I cannot prove GOD created everything about 6,000 years ago so I put that to faith. You cannot prove evolution either. Please do not call me names like a child. How about just conversing with me like an adult. Talk to me when you are ready to be polite.

 

--Rob

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

SO that proves evolution? Yawn....... Don't you think if they could acually prove it, it would cease to be the Theory of Evolution and become LAW? I cannot prove GOD created everything about 6,000 years ago so I put that to faith. You cannot prove evolution either. Please do not call me names like a child. How about just conversing with me like an adult. Talk to me when you are ready to be polite.

 

--Rob

If you knew anything about the Modern Scientific Community you would know that the term "Law" is never used. "Theory" is now used as the term denoting the highest amount of confidence in a scientific precept.

 

It has been proven by Geology that Humans alone have existed for at least 2 Million Years. (Cave Paintings alone are 50,000 years old.)

 

Your childish stubborness is very sad.

 

Evolution has been proven. It's only bitter Creationists like you who despretly cling to ignorance like a drowning man clings to driftwood.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

MrZ, dumb question. How do you prove how old cave paintings are? Answer that first, we will go in baby steps. Also I would like to add

 

""Theory" is now used as the term denoting the highest amount of confidence in a scientific precept."

 

That means they have high confidence, not that it has been proven. If you are going to use things like this make sure they do not work against you.

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

BTW is you could answer these I would be greatfull.

 

 

Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

Where did matter come from?

 

Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

When, where, why, and how did:

Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)

Single-celled animals evolve?

Fish change to amphibians?

Amphibians change to reptiles?

Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes,reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)

 

How did the intermediate forms live?

 

When, where, why, how, and from what did:

Whales evolve?

Sea horses evolve?

bats evolve?

Eyes evolve?

 

Ears evolve?

 

Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

Which evolved first how, and how long, did it work without the others)?

The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?

The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?

DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?

The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?

The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?

The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?

The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?

The immune system or the need for it?

 

There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

 

How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?

 

When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.

 

*How did photosynthesis evolve?

 

*How did thought evolve?

 

*How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?

 

What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?

 

*Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?

 

*What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?

 

*Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?

 

 

--Rob

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

MrZ, dumb question.  How do you prove how old cave paintings are?  Answer that first, we will go in baby steps.  Also I would like to add

 

""Theory" is now used as the term denoting the highest amount of confidence in a scientific precept."

 

That means they have high confidence, not that it has been proven.  If you are going to use things like this make sure they do not work against you.

 

--Rob

No, the use of the term "Law" hasn't been used, because Science itself is based on questioning itself. Unlike people like you, who are willing to believe whatever your narrow view of the Bible tells you. To say something is indisputable would be against the very fabric of reason.

 

If you'd like to try to disprove evolution, a precept which every scientist for the last 100 years has agreed with, and been unable to disprove, be my guest.

 

 

Cave paintings are determined by carbon dating. carbon dating is *extremely* accurate. Today we can determine the age of Strata Varias violin down to the year. I don't think they're off by 45,000 years, buddy.

 

 

Point,

 

 

EDIT: Misspelled Strata Varias.

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

Now would be the time to lock this thread, if you were wondering. Before anybody else jumps in on this and only makes it worse.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

MrZ, dumb question.  How do you prove how old cave paintings are?  Answer that first, we will go in baby steps.  Also I would like to add

 

""Theory" is now used as the term denoting the highest amount of confidence in a scientific precept."

 

That means they have high confidence, not that it has been proven.  If you are going to use things like this make sure they do not work against you.

 

--Rob

No, the use of the term "Law" hasn't been used, because Science itself is based on questioning itself. Unlike people like you, who are willing to believe whatever your narrow view of the Bible tells you. To say something is indisputable would be against the very fabric of reason.

 

If you'd like to try to disprove evolution, a precept which every scientist for the last 100 years has agreed with, and been unable to disprove, be my guest.

 

 

Cave paintings are determined by carbon dating. carbon dating is *extremely* accurate. Today we can determine the age of Satra Varias violin down to the year. I don't think they're off by 45,000 years, buddy.

 

 

Point,

right mr.Z I am close minded for thinking that you cannot prove how life started, sill me. I belive you are ignorant for not "questioning evolution" like most credible scientists as you say do. I am sorry I cannot debate you any further because it will be like yelling at a wall, it's just not going to work. You cannot prove either theory so I will end like this. I believe man came from GOD, you believe man came from dirt.

 

Now would be a good time to close this thread.

 

--Rob

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I just gave indisputable proof of life older than 5,000 years, and you ignored it.

 

YOU'RE LIKE TALKING TO A FUCKING WALL.

 

Evolution has been proven (99%) correct. Creationism, has no evidence to support it. A THINKING man would question where he came from instead of accepting an answer that wasn't even supposed to be read in the literal sense.

 

And does it strkie anyone else as amusing that Rob has dodged questionn after question, and now has the gall to call ME pigheaded?

[Guest bob_barron]

Why should a thread that has provoked discussion and has not broken any rules be closed?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

yes undisputable, yes. wow

 

BTW, I just wanted the last word in this bad conversation.

 

--Rob

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

I believe man came from GOD, you believe man came from dirt.

 

Now would be a good time to close this thread.

 

--Rob

*sigh*... it's always, ALWAYS about who gets the last word in before the argument ends. Remember that.

 

Robjohnstone, Mrzsasz believes that man came from god, just like you do. Except that he believes God evolved humans from dirt over a long period of time, unlike you who thinks that God just made humans appear all of a sudden, which while unproven but possible, is more unlikely.

 

...I know I've said something about the separation of religion and science being ignorant before. Science is merely humanity's way of trying to understand God's work and putting it into its own terms and measurements.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Why should a thread that has provoked discussion and has not broken any rules be closed?

Because we're not allowed to think on this board. Any topic in No Holds barred that requires thought is met with scorn immeadiatly. Some people on this board are so quick to post venom, that they forget to read the goddamn post in the first place.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Why should a thread that has provoked discussion and has not broken any rules be closed?

because in other threads this discussion has gone as far as it will go. You cannot prove either and you cannot sway anyone to turn the other way. There is no point in discussion anymore.

 

--Rob

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

yes undisputable, yes.  wow

 

BTW, I just wanted the last word in this bad conversation.

 

--Rob

Here's why we know carbon dating works.

 

 

A Violin was made in 1838. This was indisputable fact. They had a record, it was a family heirloom, it was known for CERTAIN that it was made in 1838.

 

When carbon dating was being devoloped it was used on this violin as a control to see if it worked. The breakdown of the carbon indicated that it was made in 1840.

 

So, would you care to explain why carbon dating is off by 45,000 years in this case?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

as long as it's not dead on balls accurate, then it's not accurate. That's the bottem line, Cause RobStone Said So!

 

--Rob

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

OK, so let's all just shake hands and appreciate each other's interest in the topic... whatever.

 

This quickly got boring and predictable as the two of you started your bantering, but the original post was mind-opening to those who were willing to give it a read. Thank you Mrzsasz!

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

as long as it's not dead on balls accurate, then it's not accurate. That's the bottem line, Cause RobStone Said So!

 

--Rob

Come on, Rob. Just because Creation didn't happen when the Bible says it does, doesn't mean there isn't a God, or that he didn't create us. HUMAN BEINGS wrote the Bible, HUMAN BEINGS make mistakes.

 

Besides, there's no firmament that seperates rainwater from the Earth anyway, so if THAT'S not true, than what else could be incorrect?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it. If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

HUMAN BEINGS wrote the Bible, HUMAN BEINGS make mistakes.

AFUCKINGMEN

[Guest evenflowDDT]

BTW is you could answer these I would be greatfull.

 

 

Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

Where did matter come from?

 

Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

When, where, why, and how did:

Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)

Single-celled animals evolve?

Fish change to amphibians?

Amphibians change to reptiles?

Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes,reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)

 

How did the intermediate forms live?

 

When, where, why, how, and from what did:

Whales evolve?

Sea horses evolve?

bats evolve?

Eyes evolve?

 

Ears evolve?

 

Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

Which evolved first how, and how long, did it work without the others)?

The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?

The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?

DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?

The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?

The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?

The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?

The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?

The immune system or the need for it?

 

There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

 

How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?

 

When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.

 

*How did photosynthesis evolve?

 

*How did thought evolve?

 

*How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?

 

What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?

 

*Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?

 

*What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?

 

*Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?

 

 

--Rob

Where did God come from?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Not while god is editing their work.

 

--Rob

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it. If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

But he wrote it through human beings. Those humans could have responded by saying no. They had a choice in the matter. Since it was divine inspiration of humans, it stands to reason that they had their own input. (And judging by how the Gospels can conflict each other they did.)

 

There's no proof that Adam, Noah, or Moses wrote anything. Noah, and Adam (the characters they represent.) lived before the time of writing and had to pass on stories orally. The first written Torahs were created 200 years before the birth of Christ. The final canon for the Old testament was devoloped at the same time.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

BTW is you could answer these I would be greatfull.

 

 

Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

Where did matter come from?

 

Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

When, where, why, and how did:

Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)

Single-celled animals evolve?

Fish change to amphibians?

Amphibians change to reptiles?

Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes,reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)

 

How did the intermediate forms live?

 

When, where, why, how, and from what did:

  Whales evolve?

  Sea horses evolve?

  bats evolve?

  Eyes evolve?

 

  Ears evolve?

 

  Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

Which evolved first how, and how long, did it work without the others)?

The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?

The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?

DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?

The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?

The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?

The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?

The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?

The immune system or the need for it?

 

There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?

 

How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?

 

When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.

 

*How did photosynthesis evolve?

 

*How did thought evolve?

 

*How did flowering plants evolve, and from that?

 

What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?

 

*Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?

 

*What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?

 

*Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?

 

 

--Rob

Where did God come from?

GOD is everywhere and has always been.

 

--Rob

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it.  If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

But he wrote it through human beings. Those humans could have responded by saying no. They had a choice in the matter. Since it was divine inspiration of humans, it stands to reason that they had their own input. (And judging by how the Gospels can conflict each other they did.)

 

There's no proof that Adam, Noah, or Moses wrote anything. Noah, and Adam (the characters they represent.) lived before the time of writing and had to pass on stories orally. The first written Torahs were created 200 years before the birth of Christ. The final canon for the Old testament was devoloped at the same time.

I am very sure GOD editted the bible and made it right. I have faith brothers.

 

--Rob

[Guest TheBlackerScorpion]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it. If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

Did someone mention my name?

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it.  If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

Did someone mention my name?

Yes. Can I watch Citizen Kane?

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

OK, so let's all just shake hands and appreciate each other's interest in the topic... whatever.

 

This quickly got boring and predictable as the two of you started your bantering, but the original post was mind-opening to those who were willing to give it a read. Thank you Mrzsasz!

+1

[The Dames 0]

God, I hate religious talk. If I didn't believe in free speech, I'd close this shit.

 

Dames

[Guest TheBlackerScorpion]

Well GOD had some good input in writing the bible by placing Adam,Noah, and Moses to write pieces of it.  If you look at it that way then indeed GOD did write the bible.

 

--Rob

Did someone mention my name?

Yes. Can I watch Citizen Kane?

You have me confused with your roommate Evenflowddt.

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

Dames, Robjohnstone and Mrzsasz are on the verge of flaming the piss out of each other. By the time this argument ends, both of them will have 10x more posts than they did by the start of this thread.

 

You'd be doing way more good by closing this thread now and keeping it from going... nowhere, like it's been going, even when I tried, tried, tried to end it on a good note.