Oh no! My ThigHHH!

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

1) They're watchable in most aspects, no need to be too critical

 

Sorry, but I don't buy PPVs for 'watchable' main events. But it's my fault for having such a high standard, eh?

 

2) Of course, how silly of me to forget that Angle and Benoit are drawing 7.0 ratings every thursday

 

Never claimed they were. Of course, they haven't been put into the position HHH is in so who am I to say they can't?

 

3) Look at the comparison of brawlers in the main event to high flyers throughout WWF history. You could count the high flyers on one hand. Vince runs the company, not Triple H, and he is the one who see's Hunter as the main guy, whether you like him in that position or not.

 

Yes, because it was Vince Mcmahon who told HHH and Steph to include lucy the dog into the storyline...mmm hmm.. yes it was.

 

4) Agreed that he has a good say in his charecter but then again so does most main eventers today, and Triple H knows , as well as everyone else, that he has to do as his boss tells him. Im sure Hunter could dispute how an angle ends, but i doubt he could CHANGE it entirely when Vince is the guy churning out the shit the roster has to eat.

 

As I said before - HHH had success with mocking mick foley. This kane thing was similar in style but not so much in content. I doubt it very much that HHH had objected to it in the first place. I also think he could have stopped it as well.

 

5) Injury prone or not, his matches with HBK were fantastic, heated brawls. I loved every second of them.

 

Good for you. Putting the title on a guy who is injury prone is not a smart idea and puts an already weak title in jeopardy of becoming weaker with a phantom drop (hmm, where have we seen THAT before...Birds of a feather...)

 

6) Bullshit he's buried everyone. Giving a mic to RVD is like sticking a drug addict in a warehouse full of herion and asking them to behave, you just KNOW they'll fuck up. Not to mention that RVD is a HIGH FLYER and i dont think i need to re-state my argument from earlier on. Kane was buried by the revolting angle he was in, not by Triple H. Hunter did his best to make him look remotely intimidating while he could. HBK beat Triple H, guess he BURIED him too eh? And Hunter worked his ass off to make Roid Steiner look at least HALF decent at the Rumble, even though that's like trying to get blood from rock.

 

I have a problem with this: HHH saying, on the mic, that ____ is not good enough to be at the top - and HHH beating said person and said person being dropped from the feud. It happened with Bubba, it happened with Kane, it happened with Jericho, it happened with RVD. When a heel says "You are not in my league" the face is supposed to rise up and prove him wrong - not prove him right. I also find it convenient that Kane beat Jericho for the title just so HHH could unify it...

 

I can't think of a single person who has benefited from a feud with HHH...

1) Fair enough, simply a clash of opinions. However the good main events Hunter has been in over the last year have been with good workers. HBK-HHH was great at Summerslam, Jericho-HHH wasn't as bad as people make it out to be, RVD-HHH could have been something special, i'll admit that. But really Hunter hasn't exactly been in the ring with fantasic wrestlers. True, he may have a good say in who he faces and that's his fault, but when Triple H is in the ring with someone worthwhile, the match is usually worth watching. IMO.

 

2) True, but you seem to make out that failing PPV"s and the fact the WWE blows right now is ALL because of Triple H. Benoit & Angle main evented the Rumble, as well as Brock Lesnar main eventing his PPV's when he was champion. HHH has not stepped in and said 'Fuck you, Im HHH, piss off, the main event spot is mine" to these guys. I don't doubt that Angle & Benoit can draw, because they are both unbelieveable wrestlers who deserve every cent they earn, however to state that just because they're not Triple H the company is failing is just wrong. If people were so crazy over either guy, they'd watch wouldn't they? They'd sit through HHH just to see the other guys. However, that's not happening, and it's hardly Triple H's fault.

 

3) Vince is boss, that's all i'll say.

 

4) Is this the old 'Foley made HHH' argument? Arn't you forgetting that Foley had thousands of matches with OTHER wrestlers who never became Triple H? In his prime, HHH was better than Foley ever was. Foley is a glorified bump machine and nothing else. There's a reason he had to retire at the age of 35 (or however old he was).

 

5) Agreed, and i know i'd much prefer to see Booker T with that belt right now. However who's to complain when your putting on a decent match with a friend? So HHH & HBK are PROBABLY into mutual anal sex, big deal, they work well together, why bitch about it?

 

6) Triple H was once one of the greatest workers in the company. The guy is only 33 or so years old and i believe its possible for him to return to what he was, as Austin said in RAW Magazine 'drop 25 pounds and go back to the way you were'. Bubba will never be anything special, he's good in the midcards but come on, i hardly see him rocking WrestleMania with Lesnar in 5 years. Kane's pretty much the same and Jericho, as i stated earlier, isn't half as great as he used to be and HOLD ON, didn't HHH make Jericho look like a fuckin' star back in 2000? Sure did to me. Just because a man loses, doesn't mean he is buried, you know?

[Guest IB2BLACK]

Good points, Use Your Illusion.

[Guest the pinjockey]

"Arn't you forgetting that Foley had thousands of matches with OTHER wrestlers who never became Triple H?"

 

Yes but how many of those wrestlers beat a mythical figure of Cactus (This was not the old cactus, this was a guy built into a legend), retired him in the match he made famous (make no mistake HIAC is not HBK-UT, it is the Foley bumps), and then sent him packing again becoming the first heel to win WM.

 

"HOLD ON, didn't HHH make Jericho look like a fuckin' star back in 2000?"

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT. He made Jericho look good for moments. There is a big difference. They had the phantom win. Afterward Jericho disappears. Fully Loaded, hot feud, after HHH wins in a match that makes Jericho look good we get this the next night:

 

HHH: "Jericho, you are good, but you arent even close to being in my league yet"

 

And to respond Jericho goes into a heated, eagerly awaited feud with.....Chris Benoit?

 

And I also wouldnt say HHH in his prime was better than Foley ever was due to the fact HHH's prime lasted all of one year. Build a legacy with a devoted following then you can compare to Foley.

[Guest Anglesault]

I can't think of a single person who has benefited from a feud with HHH...

You have to be careful there. I mean, NO ONE has benefitted from feuds with Edge or Kane, do to things that Edge is now correcting and Kane's suckitude. Don't just say he's evil because no one benefits from feuds with him. He's evil for other reasons.

[Guest bob_barron]

Arn't you forgetting that Foley had thousands of matches with OTHER wrestlers who never became Triple H

 

Triple H was struggling to get over as a heel but after their feud- Triple H became a main event heel.

 

Mick Foley went through a complete character transformation and they built up Cactus Jack to be this mythical sadistic unbeatable guy and the fans and Triple H all bought it. That way by Triple H beating him in two hardcore sadistic gimmick matches he finally became as over as a heel as he should've been to be recieving the push he got.

[Guest Anglesault]

HHH: "Jericho, you are good, but you arent even close to being in my league yet"

 

And to respond Jericho goes into a heated, eagerly awaited feud with.....Chris Benoit?

And X-Pac damnit, don't sell Hunter short.

 

Good points, Use Your Illusion.

 

I'm becomming more and more convinced that this guy works for Vince, with his Pro-HHH, anti-net, pro-anything the WWF does attitude

[Guest bob_barron]

However who's to complain when your putting on a decent match with a friend? So HHH & HBK are PROBABLY into mutual anal sex, big deal, they work well together, why bitch about it?

 

Did you see their match at Armageddon? I wouldn't call that "working well together". the reason people bitch about them is that HBK, who has never drawn a dime in his life, doesn't work house shows and is a motherless fuck who deserves to burn in hell is taking up a spot that could be used for someone like Chris Jericho, Booker T or RVD.

 

While they were playing 'No Hunter- you can win this time'- those three were basically trading wins and having no advancement.

 

If Triple H had done a feud like that with Jericho, Booker or RVD you could've had a guy who was way over and could finally be seen as a main eventer but instead we got 4 months of Kliq ego fucking.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Good points, Use Your Illusion.

 

I'm becomming more and more convinced that this guy works for Vince, with his Pro-HHH, anti-net, pro-anything the WWF does attitude

I'm not pro-HHH, AS, I am just being DIFFERENT - i.e trying to argue mindless points shoved forward by some smarks who just blame EVERYTHING on Triple H without thinking.

 

And i urge you to show me any other time i've been Pro-WWF to the point where it seems as though i 'work for Vince McMahon'.

 

I like to challenge myself , and at the moment, arguing that Triple H isn't as bad as people HERE think is about as challenging as it gets.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Arn't you forgetting that Foley had thousands of matches with OTHER wrestlers who never became Triple H

 

Triple H was struggling to get over as a heel but after their feud- Triple H became a main event heel.

 

Mick Foley went through a complete character transformation and they built up Cactus Jack to be this mythical sadistic unbeatable guy and the fans and Triple H all bought it. That way by Triple H beating him in two hardcore sadistic gimmick matches he finally became as over as a heel as he should've been to be recieving the push he got.

You're still missing my point. Name one other wrestler who's become a Triple H purely from a feud with Mick Foley.

 

I'm not arguing that it didn't help HHH's career, I'm just trying to point out that Foley isn't Jesus Christ, that's all.

[Guest bob_barron]

The Rock is another one who benefitted from Mick Foley

[Guest Anglesault]

Good points, Use Your Illusion.

 

I'm becomming more and more convinced that this guy works for Vince, with his Pro-HHH, anti-net, pro-anything the WWF does attitude

I'm not pro-HHH, AS, I am just being DIFFERENT - i.e trying to argue mindless points shoved forward by some smarks who just blame EVERYTHING on Triple H without thinking.

 

And i urge you to show me any other time i've been Pro-WWF to the point where it seems as though i 'work for Vince McMahon'.

 

I like to challenge myself , and at the moment, arguing that Triple H isn't as bad as people HERE think is about as challenging as it gets.

Not you, I was referring to IB2Black. Sorry

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Nobody said Foley was Jesus Christ, but the fact is, Barron is right - after the Foley feud, H was solidified as a top-tier wrestler, unlike before where his position was questioned.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

The Rock is another one who benefitted from Mick Foley

Foley didn't MAKE him though. Rock would have been The Rock without Foley, easy, because The Rock isa phenom among wrestlers who has just about everything it takes to be a success.

 

In his prime, Triple H, minus obviously the charisma, was much the same and i believe Triple H would have been who he was despite feuding with Foley. Crazy bastards who jump on tacks and off cages are a dime per pack of 6 million.

 

UYI

[Guest Anglesault]

You're still missing my point. Name one other wrestler who's become a Triple H purely from a feud with Mick Foley.

Name one other wrestler who had that feud with Foley and a dick up the boss's daughter's ass. HHH being booked as unbeatable after killing Foley sure helped alot.

[Guest bob_barron]

Rock was more of a comedy heel and Mick Foley, just like he did Triple H, got him over as a sadistic heel willing to do anything to win. He got him ready to face Austin at Wrestlemania.

 

believe Triple H would have been who he was despite feuding with Foley.

 

Explain how he wasn't that over in 1999 despite getting a mega mega push and being put over everyone.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

You're still missing my point. Name one other wrestler who's become a Triple H purely from a feud with Mick Foley.

Name one other wrestler who had that feud with Foley and a dick up the boss's daughter's ass. HHH being booked as unbeatable after killing Foley sure helped alot.

Once again your avoiding my point. I'm not going to bother with it anymore. I've already stated that (i'll even shout so you all read this)...

 

I DONT DOUBT THAT A FEUD WITH MICK FOLEY HELPED TRIPLE H'S CAREER. Yes it helped, yes it made him look like one mean son of a bitch but that's not the point im making, is it.

[Guest wwF1587]

i laugh at GOD's troubles.. sadly he will still be pushed to the top... but thats the way it is.... Here's hopin Steiner finishes him off at NWO (face it, he will win)

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

i laugh at GOD's troubles.. sadly he will still be pushed to the top... but thats the way it is.... Here's hopin Steiner finishes him off at NWO (face it, he will win)

.....

 

God I wish you said that in the No Holds Barred folder

[Guest bob_barron]

Then what is your point UYI? Can you clarify it since I think me and AS are missing the point

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

God, you guys. HHH would have benefitted fine without Foley.

 

He was feuding with Austin for a few months and it getting hot through SummerSlam. Then HHH ran around with the belt for month after month (I remember as a mark, thinking it felt like forever for each PPV and then wanting to throw my remote through the screen each time HHH won again). Then the Big Show abomination ran, McMahons got into the picture (and if HHH have a match not embarssingly bad with Vince McMahon, he proved he doesn't /need/ Austin or Rock to have anything good), and then finally Foley stuff began.

 

I don't know where their priorities were in December. Austin was out, Rock and Foley were stuck in the tag division (if I remember right), and the Big Bossman was getting a title shot.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Then what is your point UYI? Can you clarify it since I think me and AS are missing the point

I was simply urging you to name someone apart from Trips that has gone onto mega-super-ultra stardom in the WWF from feuding with Foley, that's all. My point is that Foley's star shines brighter than it should, IMO.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

God, you guys. HHH would have benefitted fine without Foley.

 

He was feuding with Austin for a few months and it getting hot through SummerSlam. Then HHH ran around with the belt for month after month (I remember as a mark, thinking it felt like forever for each PPV and then wanting to throw my remote through the screen each time HHH won again). Then the Big Show abomination ran, McMahons got into the picture (and if HHH have a match not embarssingly bad with Vince McMahon, he proved he doesn't /need/ Austin or Rock to have anything good), and then finally Foley stuff began.

 

I don't know where their priorities were in December. Austin was out, Rock and Foley were stuck in the tag division (if I remember right), and the Big Bossman was getting a title shot.

FINALLY. I KNEW there had to be someone around here that would back me up on this.

[Guest bob_barron]

I did name someone-

 

The Rock.

 

Triple H was getting over with the Stephanie stuff but without Foley killing himself all in the name of putting The Game over- he wouldn't have been as over as he was in 2000.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

I did name someone-

 

The Rock.

Does what i post here go TOTALLY unnoticed or something?

 

I won't bother arguing what you just said because i already HAVE.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'd say Foley also did an assload to make Austin as big as he became with Unforgiven and Over the Edge 98.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Basically, Jobber is saying "HHH would have been fine because *I* say so"?? How can I or anyone else argue with concrete logic like that.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

I'd say Foley also did an assload to make Austin as big as he became with Unforgiven and Over the Edge 98.

True AS,but would Austin have been who he is today if Foley was never born? The answer is yes. Much like my Rock argument with Barron chose to ignore, Austin had 'IT' and was gonna be a superstar whether a guy who leapt through flaming tables for a living was in his way or not.

[Guest the pinjockey]

How many wrestlers MAKE someone though?

How often does one person make another into a mega-star. The fact the Foley was able to turn HHH from fledgling-decent heel to the uber-dick heel he became single handedly is a great achievement. Rarely does a heel get over like that without going over a lot of people but Foley made him on his own.

 

And onto Foley not meaning a lot in reagrds to the Rock, Foley saved the Rock from becoming a face which would have ruined his WM Main Event with Austin and that is a very big deal.

[Guest Trivia247]

SO shall we get Its a beautiful Day Trailer for HHH triuphant return in a couple days after HHH stubbed his Toe???

[Guest bob_barron]

The Rock would not have been taken as seriously as the #1 heel and look like he was a credible challenger against Austin had it not been for Mick Foley.

 

Yes he had charisma but charisma only gets you so far. Mick Foley helped make The Rock a #1 heel