Oh no! My ThigHHH!

[Guest bob_barron]

HHH's matches had psychology?? HA- that's a good one.

 

Foley's work in WCW totally blows Triple H out of the water. Foley made hardcore brawls into the mainstream and had a bigger impact on wrestling then Triple H ever will

[Guest snowfan]

Didn't HHH job to Lesner more then once in house shows last June?

if it didn't happen on TV it didn't happen....

[Guest ManKinnd]

OK. There is just simply no way HHH is better than Foley if they're both in their respective primes. I'm assuming you're talking Jan 2000 - June 2001 for HHH. I think the argument can be made that in that time HHH didn't have below a **** PPV singles match, which was absolutely phenominal.

But let's look at Foley.

His prime was much, much longer than HHH's, to start. He had just awesome brawls with Funk, Dreamer, and Raven in ECW, Vader and Sting in WCW, and then with Rock and Austin in WWF. We don't even need to bring up his two breathtaking PPV matches with HHH in 2000.

Foley's had more ****+ matches than HHH has wanted to have. UYI, did you just not enjoy/watch Foley's stuff with the aforementioned workers? Was HHH really a God in that ring, or did he just put on a string of **** matches with a round of awesome wrestlers?

[Guest bob_barron]

He had below **** IMO- all his matches v. BOD, the match v. Angle at Unforgiven, v. Austin at Survivor Series- not all his matches were good

[Guest mach7]

HHH....what a company work-horse he is eh guys?

Yeah, BLAH BLAH BLAH, the HHHate never get's tiresome, hm? I'm no fan of his... but give it a fucking rest and find something new to talk about...

[Guest Angle-plex]

That's your opinion. Triple H had psychology when he was in his prime. What the fuck did FOLEY do? Get the Undertaker to throw him through cages. Please...

I'm guessing you're one of those fans that started watching in 98-99, right?

[Guest Choken One]

I kinda agree with UYI...There was no psychologally in the HIACII match...and HHH/Cactus was loaded with it...

 

Um...DEATH TO HHH!

[Guest Anglesault]

HHH....what a company work-horse he is eh guys?

Yeah, BLAH BLAH BLAH, the HHHate never get's tiresome, hm? I'm no fan of his... but give it a fucking rest and find something new to talk about...

Why? Because you don't like it?

 

We'll stop when he stops. He shows no signs of slowing down.

[Guest bob_barron]

I kinda agree with UYI...There was no psychologally in the HIACII match...and HHH/Cactus was loaded with it...

 

Um...DEATH TO HHH!

UYI is trying to discredit Foley by pointing one match. The only reason Foley did those two bumps is

 

1)Taker was working with a broken ankle and they had to do something to cover for it

2)The second bump was accidental.

 

Mick Foley helped make The Rock and Triple H and Triple H would never have been as over as he was without Cactus Jack

[Guest bob_barron]

HHH....what a company work-horse he is eh guys?

Yeah, BLAH BLAH BLAH, the HHHate never get's tiresome, hm? I'm no fan of his... but give it a fucking rest and find something new to talk about...

If you don't like it try to post something meaningful in this thread instead of just petty bitching

[Guest Choken One]

I kinda agree with UYI...There was no psychologally in the HIACII match...and HHH/Cactus was loaded with it...

 

Um...DEATH TO HHH!

UYI is trying to discredit Foley by pointing one match. The only reason Foley did those two bumps is

 

1)Taker was working with a broken ankle and they had to do something to cover for it

2)The second bump was accidental.

 

Mick Foley helped make The Rock and Triple H and Triple H would never have been as over as he was without Cactus Jack

I agree with u barron..I only read that last post by UYI...I agreed that HIACII was lesser pysch loaded then Cactus/H3.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I'd like him to name one Triple H match (that DIDN'T include Foley) that had more psychology than HBK/Mankind or Sting/Cactus.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well the HIAC2 is a shitty example. It was just a shitty match with two big bumps. But you know UYI that's not the ONLY Foley match out there.

And HHH wouldn't have been anywhere without Foley. Could someone else have done it? Yes but he didn't so it's a moot point.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Triple H's matches were certainly more watchable in 2000, we know that. But what I don't get is how injuries can affect your grasp of psychology. He didn't suffer brain damage, he had a leg injury. Look at someone like Chono, he's old as shit and doesn't have what you'd call a vast moveset, but he can put together a match. Why can't hhh? Injuries have made him slower, but you can't say that's why his matches don't 'have' psychology, that would be laziness. And Damaramu's correct, the fact is foley DID help those guy's careers, and there's no point speculating on who else could have really.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The REAL issue here is valid - should HHH, who has proven to be injury prone - keep holding the title? If it were Chris Jericho, or Benoit, or Booker T, or Anyone else, HHH would be in Vince's ear right now saying "Vince, we can't gamble here, we have to protect the title. He is injury prone - give the title to someone else."

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

That's your opinion. Triple H had psychology when he was in his prime. What the fuck did FOLEY do? Get the Undertaker to throw him through cages. Please...

I'm guessing you're one of those fans that started watching in 98-99, right?

I've been watching since '92. Did i say he was the greatest ever? Fuck no, just remember i can express my opinion as best i feel and my opinion is that Triple H Hate is FINE when it's due, otherwise it just makes Smarks look stupid.

[Guest Angle-plex]

That's your opinion. Triple H had psychology when he was in his prime. What the fuck did FOLEY do? Get the Undertaker to throw him through cages. Please...

I'm guessing you're one of those fans that started watching in 98-99, right?

I've been watching since '92. Did i say he was the greatest ever? Fuck no, just remember i can express my opinion as best i feel and my opinion is that Triple H Hate is FINE when it's due, otherwise it just makes Smarks look stupid.

Saying that Triple H's matches aren't as good as Foley's is HHHate. Not many people have had as many ****+ matches as Foley has.

[Guest Austin3164life]

1) They're watchable in most aspects, no need to be too critical

 

We're talking about the man who actually had a bad match with Kurt Angle at last year's No Way Out. Triple H is slow. The counter argument of his being methodical is outlandish. Injuries can make or break you, and obviously his quad injury was influential upon his performance ability.

 

2) Of course, how silly of me to forget that Angle and Benoit are drawing 7.0 ratings every thursday

 

UPN is not a channel that is completely and easily available to everyone. If you don't have Cable, you're fine, but if you do (or satellite), you have to unhook the cable wire, which prompts most people to just skip it, knowing that the WWE product has been pretty lame this past year. If Angle and Benoit were on Raw, and were given proper time and a good program, I'm sure fans would take notice, instead of seeing Triple H's uber-slow promos.

 

3) Look at the comparison of brawlers in the main event to high flyers throughout WWF history. You could count the high flyers on one hand. Vince runs the company, not Triple H, and he is the one who see's Hunter as the main guy, whether you like him in that position or not.

 

I think it's safe to say that Vince's ultra-confidence in Triple H's drawing ability is not doing him credit. I'll even go by your saying that Triple H was involved in watchable storylines. If you are content in watching "watchable" (fairly loose term) storylines involving Triple H, in my eyes, that's just like saying you'd rather settle for a C+ than an A-. I'm not trying to discourage your tastes, but I'm deriving my conclusion from your statement.

 

4) Agreed that he has a good say in his charecter but then again so does most main eventers today, and Triple H knows , as well as everyone else, that he has to do as his boss tells him. Im sure Hunter could dispute how an angle ends, but i doubt he could CHANGE it entirely when Vince is the guy churning out the shit the roster has to eat.

 

If most main eventers had a good say in the direction of their character, why is there even a discussion of an Austin comeback? Oh yea, because Vince forced Austin to do things in which Austin didn't think fit his character well, but of course, the outcome didn't change because Vince's word is final. I think when Hunter is dating the boss' daughter, who also happens to be Head Booker, his say is taken into a lot higher consideration than other wrestler's.

 

5) Injury prone or not, his matches with HBK were fantastic, heated brawls. I loved every second of them.

 

I'll give you that. I didn't see the Armaggedon brawl, but Summerslam was a pretty good match, and enjoyable. Strange how much Triple H's effort increased when wrestling an opponent knowing of his defeat. Could it be the relationship between the two? Yet for Jericho at WM, Triple H looked like he was on 10 sedatives.

 

6) Bullshit he's buried everyone. Giving a mic to RVD is like sticking a drug addict in a warehouse full of herion and asking them to behave, you just KNOW they'll fuck up. Not to mention that RVD is a HIGH FLYER and i dont think i need to re-state my argument from earlier on. Kane was buried by the revolting angle he was in, not by Triple H. Hunter did his best to make him look remotely intimidating while he could. HBK beat Triple H, guess he BURIED him too eh? And Hunter worked his ass off to make Roid Steiner look at least HALF decent at the Rumble, even though that's like trying to get blood from rock.

 

Since I don't think anyone really knows if Triple H puposely seeks to bury others (although viewing his year it almost points to that conclusion), I think it's safe to say that he deliberately picks his spots where to shine in matches, knowing it will indefinitely put the heat on him and suck it right from his opponent. Conveniently, Triple H did his best against his best friend.

 

I'm neither a HHHate supporter nor a Anti-HHHate man, but there is a lot of obvious evidence of Triple H's inconsistence and lack of improvement.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

The REAL issue here is valid - should HHH, who has proven to be injury prone - keep holding the title? If it were Chris Jericho, or Benoit, or Booker T, or Anyone else, HHH would be in Vince's ear right now saying "Vince, we can't gamble here, we have to protect the title. He is injury prone - give the title to someone else."

Uhm, Austin was damn well the walking wounded and he had the belt quite a while. Even just as recently as 2001, a little over a year after the company thought he was permanently retired from injuries.

[Guest Choken One]

But Didn't Austin eventully have a series of great matches with Angle/Benoit before getting the title. Remember that was the HHH arguement to protect him...Austin wasn't THAT great when he came back...but it took Austin three months to kick into a rockin groove...now it's been A year...and Save for ONE **** match...HHH hasn't set the world on fire.

 

Has Trips had a Pyschology laden match without Foley? Yes, Summer Slam 2002. It was loaded.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

We're talking about the man who actually had a bad match with Kurt Angle at last year's No Way Out. Triple H is slow. The counter argument of his being methodical is outlandish. Injuries can make or break you, and obviously his quad injury was influential upon his performance ability.

 

UPN is not a channel that is completely and easily available to everyone. If you don't have Cable, you're fine, but if you do (or satellite), you have to unhook the cable wire, which prompts most people to just skip it, knowing that the WWE product has been pretty lame this past year. If Angle and Benoit were on Raw, and were given proper time and a good program, I'm sure fans would take notice, instead of seeing Triple H's uber-slow promos.

 

I think it's safe to say that Vince's ultra-confidence in Triple H's drawing ability is not doing him credit. I'll even go by your saying that Triple H was involved in watchable storylines. If you are content in watching "watchable" (fairly loose term) storylines involving Triple H, in my eyes, that's just like saying you'd rather settle for a C+ than an A-. I'm not trying to discourage your tastes, but I'm deriving my conclusion from your statement.

 

If most main eventers had a good say in the direction of their character, why is there even a discussion of an Austin comeback? Oh yea, because Vince forced Austin to do things in which Austin didn't think fit his character well, but of course, the outcome didn't change because Vince's word is final. I think when Hunter is dating the boss' daughter, who also happens to be Head Booker, his say is taken into a lot higher consideration than other wrestler's.

 

I'll give you that. I didn't see the Armaggedon brawl, but Summerslam was a pretty good match, and enjoyable. Strange how much Triple H's effort increased when wrestling an opponent knowing of his defeat. Could it be the relationship between the two? Yet for Jericho at WM, Triple H looked like he was on 10 sedatives.

 

Since I don't think anyone really knows if Triple H puposely seeks to bury others (although viewing his year it almost points to that conclusion), I think it's safe to say that he deliberately picks his spots where to shine in matches, knowing it will indefinitely put the heat on him and suck it right from his opponent. Conveniently, Triple H did his best against his best friend.

 

I'm neither a HHHate supporter nor a Anti-HHHate man, but there is a lot of obvious evidence of Triple H's inconsistence and lack of improvement.

1) Okay. Kurt Angle and Triple H had a bad match, big deal that was'nt ALL Triple H's fault you know. Take a look at the way it was booked - i.e HHH vs SMH with Angle involved every now and then. Say what you will about Triple H, but Steph booked herself into that angle so blame her for screwing up what could have been great, not Triple H.

 

2) I never doubted the fact they COULD draw, in fact i know whenever Benoit or Angle are on TV i make sure i go out of my way to watch because it is almost always worth my while. I agree with you that they should be put into higher positions and given their chance to prove they can draw while Triple H takes at least 6 months off, loses a good 50 pounds , cuts back on the roids and lets his body heal for good. However, the failing of a company cannot be attributed to ONE MAN.

 

3) I stated watchable matches, not storylines. I'm pretty sure i mentioned that about 90% of the angles Hunter has been in recently have blown. However if Steiner was Benoit, the angle going now could be REALLY awesome if done right - i.e Triple H (recovering) hides behind his lackeys while Benoit is beaten senseless every week only to ultimately reicieve a shot at Hunters title and beat him. Pity that'll never happen.

 

4) Once again, i agree with you. Remember that Vince isn't a total cockhead though, and knows when something is ba - - ...okay so i just remembered the Katie Vick thing, you win this round.

 

5) His match with Y2J wasn't that bad, but im with u on the fact it could of been great. However after Hogan-Rock, nothing was going to compare in terms of fan involvement. It is surely one of Hunter's faults that he only works hard for those he feels DESERVE it. Which is what im trying to prove, that Hunter can STILL go...just that he chooses not too with people he see's below him, which is wrong.

 

6) I addressed this in what i just stated above. Same situation really.

[Guest notJames]

The bottom line is that if you're the flagbearer for the company, i.e., the champ, you have to be at the top of your game ALL THE TIME, in every aspect. You should NOT be having just watchable, passable matches, you should NOT give 20-minute promos that do nothing but incite the fans to sit on their hands, you should NOT make every contender look like chum, thus ensuring no one to be elevated, and you should NOT be having posedowns, arm wrestling contests, or weight lifting exhibitions to cover up the fact that you're never going to heal from your injuries.

 

 

HHH deserves the HHHate because he's done nothing to deserve maintaining his top spot. RAW would be so much better if the playing field were more even. Look at SD! -- Angle is the champ and perceived as the top wrestler or the roster, yet there are numerous guys who are perceived to be able to beat him at any given moment (Benoit, Rey Rey, Edge, Lesnar). THAT's how you make a show watchable... give the fans something to watch.

[Guest Brian]

HHH better than Foley? Did I miss something?

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Triple H's matches were certainly more watchable in 2000, we know that. But what I don't get is how injuries can affect your grasp of psychology. He didn't suffer brain damage, he had a leg injury.

Psychology can also add up to how great of shape you're in.

 

You're not going to be able to Sell or Bump right or add the little things to your Offense and/or Facial Expressions if you're Blown up, Slow or, just plain out Lazy.

 

It's the little things you do during a match which can really make it Great.