The Smackdown show has royally pissed me off

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I can only second Anglesault's ranting about Brock Lesnar absolutley destroying everyone and making everyone look like they are weak, and we all know he's more than likely going over at 'Mania. Here's what tonight's announced Smackdown spoilers did for me.

 

EDDIE GUERRERO loses to SHELTON BENJAMIN who should be getting his ass kicked by Eddie. Benoit can dismantle Team Angle and defeat both members clean, but Eddie, who is getting big time over as a face, gets his tag titles taken away from these two green rookies who have been on television for two months and all of the sudden can kill the legends. Then he gets pinned by Benjamin.

 

Next you have the continuing burial of EDGE, as he loses to Charlie Hass, one of my least favorite guys on Smackdown. I'm sick of him with his horrible timing and shitty in ring antics (not to mention his ghey frosted hair). Edge was pushed to near main event levels with CLEAN wins over Kurt Angle, and all of the sudden this idiot beats him.

 

But to top that off, Brock comes in at the end of the show and totally destroys both guys as if they were nothing, when they just beat Eddie Guerrero and Edge in singles matches. Can you push the guy any more? Jesus Christ!

 

When you add in the fact that the 6 man match announced for NWO will have the main event guys of Wrestlemania, who have never met in the ring before, getting to lock-up and therefore killing some of the aura their match had, tonight's Smackdown has to be one fo the worst booked shows ever. I hope Heyman wasn't responsible fopr this load of bullshit.

[Guest Goodear]

Team Angle are completely overrated as being these great mat workers when in fact they don't have the first clue as to actually make those holds matter or actually be interesting in a match. They really have no idea as to how to carry the action of a match beyond putting on a hold and keeping it on for a while before they go onto the next boring hold. Yet they get pushed to the tag belts for no real good reason anyway since they're just around to put Angle and Brock over. Which sadly seems to be the whole point of the entire roster anymore... except for the people that are putting over The Undertaker.

[JN News 0]

This has got to be the work of one Stephanie McMahon.

[Guest Goodear]

Yeah, because unbeatable monster face (Taz) chasing dead as could possibly be heel (Shane Douglas) who uses a stable to block for him (Triple Threat) has never been done by one Paul Heyman. Who cares who comes up with stuff anyway? The fact that it shows up on television is all that matters.

[Guest nikowwf]

You people bitch when they don't push new guys, and when they do push new guys you bitch that they are beating old guys. It can't be both ways...someone has to lose to get the new guys over.

 

niko

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Ease up fellas, Brocks's getting Pillman-ized next week. I'm calling it now so I can gloat to all the whiny ho's who are complaining about the match actually taking place.....

[Guest Goodear]

"You guys" =/= Me

 

I'm not a real big proponent of booking guys to the top for the express reason that they are new. Either I enjoy a guy and want to see him pushed or I don't. I'm pretty "meh" towards Team Angle and would prefer it if Edge, Benoit, and The Guerreros weren't on job duty for them every week.

[Guest mach7]

You people bitch when they don't push new guys, and when they do push new guys you bitch that they are beating old guys. It can't be both ways...someone has to lose to get the new guys over.

 

niko

Well said, Niko.

[Guest Mole]

I have an idea...STOP YA BITCHIN.

 

However, AS is right about this one, Brock must not be able to dis-mantle Team Angle all the time, its bullshit.

[Guest razazteca]

is it me or are both shows being booked the same?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Charlie Hass, one of my least favorite guys on Smackdown. I'm sick of him with his horrible timing and shitty in ring antics (not to mention his ghey frosted hair).

THANK YOU. Michael Cole should rest easy now that he no longer has the gayest hairstyle on Smackdown. Haas tries too hard to be an Angle knock-off and it's pretty sad to watch.

 

Expect to be lynched (and for all doing it to have that overused Team Angle sig) for your comments. Oh wait, too late, it's started already.

 

Yet they get pushed to the tag belts for no real good reason anyway since they're just around to put Angle and Brock over. Which sadly seems to be the whole point of the entire roster anymore... except for the people that are putting over The Undertaker.

 

Exactly. You just wait, after Mania, there will be only two feasible challengers to the title, no matter if it's Brock or Angle holding it - Taker... and Goldberg. Or possibly Nathan Jones. Does anyone here really want that to happen? I doubt it. Then maybe some of you should have regretted everyone and their mother putting over Brock and Kurt pre-Mania. Know what that does? Eliminate any future opponents!

 

You people bitch when they don't push new guys, and when they do push new guys you bitch that they are beating old guys. It can't be both ways...someone has to lose to get the new guys over.

 

You just don't get it, do you. The 'old guys' in question are hardly established, so by having new (or should I say newer) guys beating them, it accomplishes nothing. Meanwhile Taker is back to his usual "squash anything that comes my way" role. HE's the someone that should lose to get new guys over, not someone like Edge who isn't exactly a 'big name'.

 

is it me or are both shows being booked the same?

 

It's not just you. I guess the SUPER DUPER GENIUS doesn't just book the "good" show.

[Guest nikowwf]

You people don't know if the Team Angle attack occurs on the show or not yet, btw....it could be an after show deal...

 

niko

[Guest El Satanico]

It's not some awful crime that Team Angle is allowed to beat Eddy & Chavo. They are a decent team so what's the big deal? Some of you guys are acting like Team Angle consists of Albert and Bill Demott. If Team Angle was Albert and Demott then I'd be bitching too.

 

Team Angle may not have amazing wrestling talent, but they aren't nearly as bad as some of you are making them out to be. Are Team Angle as talented as Eddy and Chavo? No of course not, but it's totally unfair to expect them to be on the same level of 20 year vets at this point in their careers.

 

It's also insane to expect title changes based on wrestling talent. If it was based on that then Beniot would be champion and would never lose it until he retired.

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

Oh Eddie, poor Eddie.

[Guest Mole]

Wow, another thing just came to mind.

 

People here bitch ALL the time when Triple-Juice doesn't job. But when Eddie jobs, someone makes a big deal about it.

 

Since Team Angle are Tag Champs, they need credibility. Since he beat Eddie, that makes them look more of a power house.

 

And no, they aren't the greatest wrestlers ever. However as El pointed out, they are still young wrestlers. Give them some time, and I will put money on it that they will become great wrestlers.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I think they should make up their mind if they're going to push them as singles or as a tag team...to do both really hurts the guy's they're going over.

 

And it looked great on paper, but I'm not impressed yet

[Guest Vyce]

The greatest tragedy about this week's Smackdown?

 

Kanyon debuts, and gets absolutely destroyed by Undertaker.

 

Fucking typical.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Molestomp , comapring HHH jobbing to Eddie having to job has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.

 

Eddie needs STRONG wins. You have these six guys ( The Smackdown 6) giving jobs back and forth to eachother, and putting on spectacular matches, therefore getting over in the process.

 

Benoit wrestles Benjamin and Haas a month ago and beat both of them. The matches were booked to where the new guys got plenty of offense, but it was never really any question Benoit would win.

 

Later on you have Benoit and Angle battle it out where Angle inches by Benoit. 3 weeks later he just Angle Slams him from nowhere and gets a clean win. Possibly to look strong for Lesnar. But, instead of getting in Lesnar's face or playing one ups with him, he cowardly truns away or gets his ass kicked. So why is he built so damned strong? If you make him look like a pussy all the way up until the one on one match with Brock, and then have him look like a badass but still lose, the match won't make any sense.

 

Benjamin and Haas come in and in 2 months hold one of only TWO titles on the Smackdown brand (which is supposed to be considered its own federation)

 

And if they have to get the tag belts, why do they need huge SINGLES wins? They are absolutely no threat to the title and won't be for a while. Who needed that win more?

 

You have them beating guys who worked hard for the last 6 months to get over, and then getting totally squashed by Brock, therefore burying EVERYONE in the process.

 

I'm not bitching because they are booked as close to quals to some of these guys, that's fine, you need new talent. But not pushing them OVER people who need respective wins and don't need to be jobbing out to any up and comers around.

 

People get over and establish themselves to the fans when they are on every PPV. You know that guy will be on PPV. If Taker, Brock, Angle, Trips, Austin, etc are healthy, they'll be there. You know that, and they stay strong in your mind.

 

When you have guys appear for 4 months and then get cast aside for 3 months, and then brought back fro one, and then jobbing to the new guy what the fuck does that do? Nothing.

 

There is a difference between being pushed and being pushed over others deserving of more.

 

The fact is Smackdown was booked really bad.

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

Wow, another thing just came to mind.

 

People here bitch ALL the time when Triple-Juice doesn't job. But when Eddie jobs, someone makes a big deal about it.

 

Since Team Angle are Tag Champs, they need credibility. Since he beat Eddie, that makes them look more of a power house.

 

And no, they aren't the greatest wrestlers ever. However as El pointed out, they are still young wrestlers. Give them some time, and I will put money on it that they will become great wrestlers.

Oh Come on. Eddie jobs 3 times a month, Triple H jobs 3 times a year. Get your fucking shit together before you jump into the typical anti-smark bullshit arguement.

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

Molestomp , comapring HHH jobbing to Eddie having to job has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.

 

Eddie needs STRONG wins. You have these six guys ( The Smackdown 6) giving jobs back and forth to eachother, and putting on spectacular matches, therefore getting over in the process.

 

Benoit wrestles Benjamin and Haas a month ago and beat both of them. The matches were booked to where the new guys got plenty of offense, but it was never really any question Benoit would win.

 

Later on you have Benoit and Angle battle it out where Angle inches by Benoit. 3 weeks later he just Angle Slams him from nowhere and gets a clean win. Possibly to look strong for Lesnar. But, instead of getting in Lesnar's face or playing one ups with him, he cowardly truns away or gets his ass kicked. So why is he built so damned strong? If you make him look like a pussy all the way up until the one on one match with Brock, and then have him look like a badass but still lose, the match won't make any sense.

 

Benjamin and Haas come in and in 2 months hold one of only TWO titles on the Smackdown brand (which is supposed to be considered its own federation)

 

And if they have to get the tag belts, why do they need huge SINGLES wins? They are absolutely no threat to the title and won't be for a while. Who needed that win more?

 

You have them beating guys who worked hard for the last 6 months to get over, and then getting totally squashed by Brock, therefore burying EVERYONE in the process.

 

I'm not bitching because they are booked as close to quals to some of these guys, that's fine, you need new talent. But not pushing them OVER people who need respective wins and don't need to be jobbing out to any up and comers around.

 

People get over and establish themselves to the fans when they are on every PPV. You know that guy will be on PPV. If Taker, Brock, Angle, Trips, Austin, etc are healthy, they'll be there. You know that, and they stay strong in your mind.

 

When you have guys appear for 4 months and then get cast aside for 3 months, and then brought back fro one, and then jobbing to the new guy what the fuck does that do? Nothing.

 

There is a difference between being pushed and being pushed over others deserving of more.

 

The fact is Smackdown was booked really bad.

I agree with everything you say. But look on the bright side, Chuck Palumbo re-debuts with a new character. That just rules.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

Benjamin and Haas come in and in 2 months hold one of only TWO titles on the Smackdown brand (which is supposed to be considered its own federation)

 

And if they have to get the tag belts, why do they need huge SINGLES wins? They are absolutely no threat to the title and won't be for a while. Who needed that win more?

They get a singles push just so as they can show off their own singular skills. Besides, it's also to let them get better associated should they ever have a singles run. Besides, I don't think Team Angle's singles push is going to be a long thing. Probably just WWE trying to see whom will be the better single's wrestler or something like that.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Right but did you read about the continuity thing? If they were to go over the Undertaker, and then next week get beaten by D'Lo, what would that say? It would all be for naught. I know their singles pushes won't go far at this moment, but Eddie's could, and it has bordered that a few times in the last year he's been around. If Taker did that odd job, it wouldn't hurt him, because he's always going ot still be pushed hard. Like I said, you see Eddie on PPV for 5 months straight, looking like a machine, and then he's off PPV for the next two and jobbing to people who need it severely less than him. wheres the continuity? What about Eddie's career?

 

EDIT: Just to make myself clear, this is not just me getting upset because EDDIE GUERRERO lost. If anyone else were in this postion, say John Cena, I would have the same problems with the booking. This isn't exactly about Eddie and Edge personally, but they just happen to be the ones in the position.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I'm just mad that Brock never looks weak. WTF? Will he ever get his ass handed to him? By anyone besides The Undertaker!?

[Guest Trivia247]

So what is better for you all?

 

Eddie jobbing to Shelton...

 

or Team Angle Jobbing their brains out to Brock.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm just mad that Brock never looks weak. WTF? Will he ever get his ass handed to him? By anyone besides The Undertaker!?

God willing, next week. I can see them Pilmanizing him, Brock standing up, kicking all their asses at the same time, stacking them on top of each other and hitting a triple F5 (With the chair still around his leg), while you all say how nice it is to see TA Pilmanize Brock.

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

Seeing Team Angle get butchered tonight after going over Eddie and Edge was just insanely retarded. Kurt looks like he is no threat to Brock at all, considering the guy can kick the crap out of all three members of Team Angle after a relatively long match with Cena. I like Haas and Benjamin, but like you guys said there is zero point in putting them over members of the Six only to subsequently get squashed by Brock. No point at all.

 

And the Kanyon thing was insanely stupid. At first, I was like "this is great, he's beating up Taker! Go Kanyon!" and then Taker beat the absolute shit out of him for like ten minutes. It was brutal. The commentators made Kanyon seem like a total frigging joke. What the hell was the point of that? To put over TAKER? He doesn't need to be put over anymore, for god's sake. Gah, stupid WWE.

 

They did the right thing with that Benoit/A-train match though. A-train actually looked pretty good, and Benoit rightfully went over. Though no-selling Benoit's chops should be a cardinal sin.

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

So what is better for you all?

 

Eddie jobbing to Shelton...

 

or Team Angle Jobbing their brains out to Brock.

Eddie needs a push. Simple as that.

 

Its inevitable, Brock is beating Angle. So whats the point, who know the ends so I could care less about the means.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

After watching the actual show, I was quite impressed, it was a fun show. I reall enjoyed it. There was plenty of interference in the Edge and Eddie losses, resulting in Team Angle's wins. Hass looked rather good tonight, and I hate him so that says a lot. Benjamin's win was a but too clean for me, but it'll do. I guess they did the right thing here making Benjamin and Haas at least look like a threat by giving them an occasional win here and there. They won't be beating these guys week in and week out. I truly don't agree with them being pushed this fast, but it isn't their fault, they are thrown in a high-profile storyline and they seem to be the guys who will be the workhorses of the show, working singles matches every week to help an angle get over. It did it's job.

 

My problem here was Brock. The guy cheated to beat Cena, got more of an ass kicking from Cena than Eddie a few weeks ago, and threw a total of 7 Belly to Belly suplexes (Steiner anyone?) Yet, people like Keith give that match **1/2. I don't take his ratings to heart, but that is ridiculous. It wasn't a bad match by any means, but that wasn't even pointed out, not even by anyone here on the boards yet. Weird booking....

 

I'm looking forward to Brock/Angle, but Kurt is hyping this WAY too much. I don't care if Kurt busts out a lot of amateur stuff, Brock can't do 8 belly to bellies and three shoulder thrusts and get a great match. Not even an SSP would save that offensive crapfest.

 

Anyway, I just wanted to say that Smackdown was so good it kind of cured my cynicism for now. Albert/Benoit was a great match, imo.

 

** Has anyone else heard the military commercial featuring Lance Strom's theme? Wierd, it just came on UPN**

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The show was better than I thought it would be.

 

There's just those nagging booking problems, but still a good show.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Yeah. I don't agree with a lot of it still, but the talent did so well with that shoddy booking it made up for a lot of it. There has been a lot of continuity in a lot of aspects of the show over the last few moths and I like that. some guys are still not getting any consistency, but some are. It isn't all bad.