No cruiser match at mania

[Guest goodhelmet]

They can fit a shitty 6man tag but can't showcase some of their best talent? The WWF pisses me off!!! Sorry, just had to vent.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Tajiri vs. Xpac or Hurricane would not fit with the WWF wrestlemania plans.

 

Those plans being to bury the cruisers...and not provide any good in ring action.

[Guest Anglesault]

I've never really seen what the big deal with Cruisers is.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

They put on better matches than Undertaker and Kane

[Guest Anglesault]

I could wrestle better than Taker and Kane

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Then I would rather watch you at WrestleMania than Taker and Kane...such is my point about the cruisers.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"I've never really seen what the big deal with Cruisers is."

 

then you really need to check out the super J cups or WCW circa 1997-1998. The work is through the roof. They rarely ever take a breather. If they resort to spotfests, then they usually do them well. The cruisers would breathe life into the stale product we are witnessing.

[Guest Anglesault]

Then I would rather watch you at WrestleMania than Taker and Kane...such is my point about the cruisers.

 

OK.

 

then you really need to check out the super J cups or WCW circa 1997-1998. The work is through the roof. They rarely ever take a breather. If they resort to spotfests, then they usually do them well. The cruisers would breathe life into the stale product we are witnessing.

 

I lose interest very quickly in Spotfest and jumpy type matches.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

IF you don't like spotfests, watch Dean Malenko vs. Ultimo Dragon from Starcade 96.  Using the old IGN scale of rating matches, I would've given it a 90% on a 100% scale.

 

It was awesome, because the crowd was eating it up on simple legwork by Malenko.  Plus, the two of them hit everything perfectly.  The crowd went apeshite on a simple Powerslam it was that good.

 

Cruiserweight wrastlin' rocks the body that rocks the party.

[Guest Anglesault]

I personally *DO* like the Dean Melenko cruiserweight match. But everyone is pining for the Rey/Juvi flippy floppy match that quite frankly, bores me to death

[Guest BA_Baracus]

What?

 

You actually expected one?  What universe are you living in?

 

By the way...when's X-pac coming back so we can at least get the belts unified?

 

He's been able to wrestle for over a month...

[Guest Anglesault]

X-Pac has been told NOT to come back with the belt.

[Guest goodhelmet]

The flippy floppy spotfest BS is just one facet of cruiser matches. That's why I made sure to mention the Super J Cup tourneys. Not too much flip flopping going on, just EXCELLENT wrestling. Even the ultimo dragon- rey mysterio matches from 96-97 were great!!! The cruisers have a little bit for everyone, unlike one-dimensional no selling UT-Kronik fests.

[Guest Anglesault]

I just always got the impression that you all want Rey and Juvi flipping all over the place as opposed to Super J Cup or Dean/Dragon

[Guest goodhelmet]

Personally I prefer Ohtani and Eddy kicking the shit out of each other or Liger-Pillman, but I prefer the flippyflopy shit over the pathetic display of hoss wrestling

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Ah...but the high-spots is what makes the cruiser-division unique.

 

You can see technical wrestling in the main event, the IC division.

 

You can see it anywhere.

 

But are the main-eventers or for that matter anyone else doing ranas, and all the other high-flying stuff?  No.

 

I don't want the Light-heavyweight/Cruiser division to just be like what we see on the rest of the card, just with smaller guys...

[Guest Zero_Cool]

The WWF should just have Dean Malenko come back, and feud with Tajiri.  Then, after he gets the belt, give him a hella nice reign, giving him five minutes at the beginning of every Raw to defend the Title.  That way, people won't be bitching about RVD opening up shows when he should be hitting the Five Star on Nash.

 

If you guys remember right, they almost tried this in 2000.  Guess what happened?  Malenko and the cruisers that they had kicked some ass.  Taka and Dean, Scotty and Dean.  Essa too.

[Guest Some Guy]

I like both sot fests and Dean/Dragon style mathes, but prefer the latter.  The spot fest were used perfectly by WCW as openers to get the crowd going.  They also draw for the hispanic population which is good for business.  WWF could potentially sign the best guys from Mexico and Japan and do very successful tours of both places headlined by those talents.  Plus many of the guys they have now in HWA and OVW are unknown adn unharmed talent who if used properly, IE not buried by Kane or some one in a 6 on 1 match, could get over.  I would keep X-pac out of the division, and push the new guys.

[Guest Anglesault]

That's where we differ. I my opinion, Flippy floppy shit is as bad or sometimes worse than Hoss-fests.

 

Ah...but the high-spots is what makes the cruser-division unique.

 

You can see technical wrestling in the main event, the IC division.

 

You can see it anywhere.

 

But are the main-eventers or for that matter anyone else doing ranas, and all the other high-flying stuff?  No.

 

And thank God for that! It's stupid. Half the shit doesn't look like it would hurt. I can't stand people bouncing for five minutes and finishing with an arm drag or something equally stupid.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Well yeah Angle.

 

If you want to get technical, a punch to the face would hurt more than most moves.

 

Well sorry guy, but *most* of us don't want to see two guys just brawl for 20 minutes for the sake of "realism".

 

There's nothing real about wrestling, so there's no reason why realism has to valued so highly.

 

...and like I said, the Cruiser division is the *only* place to get the high-flying stuff.  You want regular wrestling?  Take a dump during the Cruiser matches and watch the rest of the show.

[Guest goodhelmet]

And there's nothing real about Kurt Angle's anklelock either. Sorry!

[Guest Tim Cooke]

"I personally *DO* like the Dean Melenko cruiserweight match. But everyone is pining for the Rey/Juvi flippy floppy match that quite frankly, bores me to death."

 

Have you ever watched the entire Rey v Juvi series?  And not just the ECW/WCW stuff.  Get their AAA work and then get the 3/16/96 Tijuana Hand Held, which with a finish, is the best match in North American in the 1990's.  Even without the finish, it is better than 99.99% of what the WWF did in the 90's and 97% of what WCW did in the 90's.

 

Tim

 

"Ignorance is bliss"

[Guest Anglesault]

And there's nothing real about Kurt Angle's anklelock either. Sorry!

But it LOOKS like it would hurt. The TRIPLE BACKFLIP JUMPING SWINGY ARMDRAG OF DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DOES NOT.

[Guest Anglesault]

Have you ever watched the entire Rey v Juvi series?  And not just the ECW/WCW stuff.  Get their AAA work and then get the 3/16/96 Tijuana Hand Held, which with a finish, is the best match in North American in the 1990's.  Even without the finish, it is better than 99.99% of what the WWF did in the 90's and 97% of what WCW did in the 90's.

 

Tim

 

"Ignorance is bliss"

Was it Flippy Floppy?

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Since when do cruiser matches end with arm-drags?

 

Have you ever actually *watched* one?

 

Cruiser finishers are more devestating looking than any others!

 

Jerry Lynn's cradle-piledriver?  Shane Helm's vertebraker?  The Juvi-driver?  Fisherman-buster?

 

Let's not forget all the highly innovative submissions!

 

Those moves kick the #### out of Angle's stupid little ankle lock.  

 

"Oh no!  He's turning my ankle slightly sideways!  The pain of it all!"

[Guest Tony149]

If you're going to do a crusierweight division. I don't think the casual WWF fan will get involved at first. Since they're used to "Sports Entertainment". That's my only concern for a crusier division. Vince may think the fans hate it and drop it.

 

 

I'm not shock there is no crusier match at WM. The WWF had a hard time announcing the card weeks in advance, so I don't think they even thought of using the crusiers.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm talking about the match itself. A match's finish doesn't make up for fifteen minutes of flipping.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

It's just a matter of taste.  Some would rather see Angle and Benoit trade hold for hold in a bout for technical supremacy for 30 minutes - others would rather see Kidman and Rey-Rey trading reversals in a high flying, high impact match that leaves everybody in awe.  Both cases are great - no reason to deride one or the other.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

"Was it Flippy Floppy?"

 

It was state of the art wrestling.  Kurt Angle will probably never have a match that was as state of the art as 3/16/96 Rey Jr v Juve.

 

"Some would rather see Angle and Benoit trade hold for hold in a bout for technical supremacy for 30 minutes."

 

When did Benoit and Angle ever trade holds for 30 minutes?  (Hint- answer isn't Backlash 2001)

 

Tim

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Sheesh Angle...

 

...I know you have to be some sort of psychology nut and love headlocks to really call yourself a "smart" fan, but give it a rest.

 

Last time I checked Angle uses a moonsault as one of his finishers...