Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Chyna is not as ugly as Jazz though, Urgh, I disagree. You get me wrong, Chyna is extremely ugly but, Jazz has a slight ugly advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Chyna is not as ugly as Jazz though, Urgh, I disagree. You get me wrong, Chyna is extremely ugly but, Jazz has a slight ugly advantage. Hah, I still disagree. I think Jazz is the better looking of the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I will not argue with you, they are both fucking ugly. I hope there is no lesbian angle. If there were to be a lesbian angle, I would like it to be a 3 way angle between trish,stacy and torrie. No exceptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Heel v. Face always works. It's the basic formula. Face v. Face works sometimes, Heel v. Heel works never. It's been proven How has it been "proven"? By crowd reaction? Please, half of the crowd are gullible marks. I don't really care what they think, they'll always come back (they are marks after all). A lot of them probably haven't even read a book. In 97 Vince promised us (the fans) that he would not insult our intelligence with such outdated concepts like "good guys" vs. "bad guys." The fans don't know how to react to anything differant because they are used to the old formula. They aren't used to anything differant. Start to show them it and then they'll get used to it. Once they're used to it they won't be so apathetic. In life there are no "two sides." Life is not "two sides" of the same coin. Each character should have his/her own motivations and goals unique to that character. Heel vs. face won't work forever, bet on it. Sooner or later the formula will have to be tweaked a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I will not argue with you, they are both fucking ugly. I hope there is no lesbian angle. If there were to be a lesbian angle, I would like it to be a 3 way angle between trish,stacy and torrie. No exceptions. But that's SO boring. We've all seen a trio of generic blondes make out before. Nothing new there. Sure, it might turn you on but it provides no intellectual stimulation. You know what they say, "In lack of creativity there is sexuality." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 20, 2003 You get me wrong, Chyna is extremely ugly but, Jazz has a slight ugly advantage. I don't really see Jazz as "ugly." Maybe "mannish" but not "ugly." Joanie doesn't even resemble her former self (thanks to the surgery). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I'd rather Jazz and Victoria do a lesbo angle actually. Jazz brings the butch appeal and Victoria the psycho feminine side. Trish has improved and done something other than spread her legs on TV. Torrie has proven she sucks at doing a lesbo angle. Stacy's too hot to be a dyke. I laugh at the people who call Jazz ugly here. Their moms and girls they have dated are probably uglier than Jazz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I'd rather Jazz and Victoria do a lesbo angle actually. Jazz brings the butch appeal and Victoria the psycho feminine side. Trish has improved and done something other than spread her legs on TV. Torrie has proven she sucks at doing a lesbo angle. Stacy's too hot to be a dyke. I laugh at the people who call Jazz ugly here. Their moms and girls they have dated are probably uglier than Jazz. I agree fully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LaParkaMarka Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I think it's hilarious that people don't like Jazz on screen because she's "ugly", then rant and rave about how Random Ugly Male Worker needs more screen time or whatnot. I think Jazz works pretty good matches, thus I like Jazz. Who cares how she looks? Wrestling doesn't need to be about T and A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I think it's hilarious that people don't like Jazz on screen because she's "ugly", then rant and rave about how Random Ugly Male Worker needs more screen time or whatnot. I think Jazz works pretty good matches, thus I like Jazz. Who cares how she looks? Wrestling doesn't need to be about T and A. You're preaching to the choir, here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Jazz could just be pissed because Victoria took Stevie away from her (or perhaps Stevie abandoned her for Victoria when Jazz got hurt, and hence she has a score to settle with this fickle fair weather supporter named Steve Richards). Jazz: "You took my man, and my belt. For that, you will DIE~!" So Jazz eventually beats Victoria, and Stevie sides with Jazz again, or at least tries to. And Jazz may or may not take him back. Either way, she beats him up for his disloyalty first. [i always figured one of the implied facets of this Valet Character of Stevie's is that he likes chicks who can and will beat him up.] I don't want to see an outright lesbian angle. But that's because I think it'd be more interesting if Victoria felt that way about Jazz (hence her reluctance to fight Jazz) but not the other way around. Alternately, I think it'd be fun to see them fight over Stevie as some sort of trophy mimbo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Heel v. Face always works. It's the basic formula. Face v. Face works sometimes, Heel v. Heel works never. It's been proven How has it been "proven"? By crowd reaction? Please, half of the crowd are gullible marks. I don't really care what they think, they'll always come back (they are marks after all). A lot of them probably haven't even read a book. In 97 Vince promised us (the fans) that he would not insult our intelligence with such outdated concepts like "good guys" vs. "bad guys." The fans don't know how to react to anything differant because they are used to the old formula. They aren't used to anything differant. Start to show them it and then they'll get used to it. Once they're used to it they won't be so apathetic. In life there are no "two sides." Life is not "two sides" of the same coin. Each character should have his/her own motivations and goals unique to that character. Heel vs. face won't work forever, bet on it. Sooner or later the formula will have to be tweaked a bit. Well, when ratings go into a slump..... it's those stupid marks that do not watch, not the smarks. They do not always come back, it takes crazy shit to get the casual fan to come back. That my friend has been proven. Can you name one heel v. heel feud that worked without either turning face during or directly after the feud? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I think it's hilarious that people don't like Jazz on screen because she's "ugly", then rant and rave about how Random Ugly Male Worker needs more screen time or whatnot. I think Jazz works pretty good matches, thus I like Jazz. Who cares how she looks? Wrestling doesn't need to be about T and A. Yeah that's great and all, but the problem is that this thread isn't about WRESTLING. It's about a lesbo angle which is a angle based of t&a not wrestling. I don't want to see Jazz's ugly ass doing anything on tv besides wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuna_Firerose 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2003 So Jazz eventually beats Victoria, and Stevie sides with Jazz again, or at least tries to. And Jazz may or may not take him back. Whatever gets Stevie more air-time is okay with me, even *if* it has to be with Jazz... *shudder* Either way, she beats him up for his disloyalty first. [i always figured one of the implied facets of this Valet Character of Stevie's is that he likes chicks who can and will beat him up.] Stevie being the submissive bitch is extremely hot from this chick's point of view. *points to her "Know Your Role, Bitch" and other Stevie icons* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I don't want to see jazz on my screen doing anything. She might be the ugliest woman they have. Jazz is a woman? I thought Booker T was being punished for something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Their moms and girls they have dated are probably uglier than Jazz. THANK YOU. Jazz may not be the most attractive woman on the roster, but she's not that bad looking. I find Jackie and those two overinflated zeppelins in her shirt far more grotesque. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RepoMan Report post Posted February 20, 2003 If your gonna milk a lesbian angle ala Buelah/Kimona they have to be sexy lesbians and not dirty dikes. So yes it would need to be HLA. ALso if you portray lesbians as dirty dikes, you'll have FAIR and other organizations all over the WWE. Why would Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting care about this?Your thinking of GLAD. I don't think they would like HLA any better, WWE just isn't something the average activist would bother to care about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Victoria's song is about lesbianism? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuna_Firerose 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2003 I find Jackie and those two overinflated zeppelins in her shirt far more grotesque. You're not the only one. Geez, how could ANYONE stand to have them *that* big? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted February 20, 2003 They're going to have to move the title to Trish or Jazz at Wrestlemania, since Victoria will be done for about 6 months after her surgery post-PPV. EDIT: Edited approximate time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuna_Firerose 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Surgery? What surgery? :huh: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted February 20, 2003 Whichever knee that she's wearing the brace on right now. It's the right knee, I think, but I'm not sure. Meltzer and a couple of other sites reported that she was holding off the surgery until post-'Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewisyourHero Report post Posted February 20, 2003 You were thinking she was gonna get a boob job, weren't you, Yuna? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuna_Firerose 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2003 No, I wasn't. By 'surgery' I thought she was injured, which had me worried. And, in a non-lesbian way, I don't think she needs a boob job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 21, 2003 Well, when ratings go into a slump..... it's those stupid marks that do not watch, not the smarks. They do not always come back, it takes crazy shit to get the casual fan to come back. That my friend has been proven. Can you name one heel v. heel feud that worked without either turning face during or directly after the feud? Triple H vs. Kurt Angle Victoria vs. Jazz Cactus Jack vs. Big Van Vader The NWO vs. WCW's heels Lots of ECW feuds I suspect you'll try to debunk these now. Go for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 21, 2003 Hunter/Angle - feud sucked, don't you remember the payoff? Victoria/Jazz - hasn't even begun and it sucks CJ/Vader - Foley was not a heel. He became a face after he got powerbombed on the concrete and got amnesia NWO/WCW heels - I wonder why wcw went out of business ECW Feuds - Like I said, if they did not turn in the end. ECW people turned every other second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 21, 2003 ECW Feuds - Like I said, if they did not turn in the end. ECW people turned every other second. Which I thought was really cool and innovative. ECW had heels and faces, but not the traditional kind. The lines were more blurred. The only "real" heels were the Dudley Boyz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 21, 2003 Once again your wrong. I believe Douglas in 96 had more heat on him than any other heel in history. Triple Threat, Raven, Prime Time, RVD....all clearly heels. There was no blur. Just lot's of turning which got old after a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LaParkaMarka Report post Posted February 21, 2003 Hunter/Angle - feud sucked, don't you remember the payoff? The fued itself was great...probably the best fued in the fed at the time. The payoff indeed sucked, but the fued itself was awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingfanatic Report post Posted February 21, 2003 Hunter/Angle was a good feud but bad endings leave bad tastes in people's mouths. It did for me. I would argue that Beniot/Jericho feud wat the time was as good as that one with a better payoff match to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
