Daniels at OVW Camp

[Guest Banky]

Looks like the WWE is about to snatch up one of the greatest TNA stars. And honestly, I'd highly doubt he'll be the last.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Well, if anyone deserves a WWE contract it is him. He still won't get one though. If WWE was going to sign him they would have already.

[Astro101 0]

He doesn't seem like WWE style though which is why they haven't picked him up all these years.

[Guest Banky]

Why would they have him try out again? He's in. No doubt. Low Ki will be next after that.

[Astro101 0]

He's much more suited in TNA. At least in TNA, he's in (when he's not in Japan) a major storyline and well, has the tag belts. I dunno how far he could go in WWE.

[Guest Banky]

He's much more suited in TNA. At least in TNA, he's in (when he's not in Japan) a major storyline and well, has the tag belts. I dunno how far he could go in WWE.

Money talks my friend. Face it, Styles, Low Ki, Daniels, Killings, and others will all land in the WWE in due time. Vince is smart like that. he might not even have plans for them, he'll just get them to screw over the competition. IE. purging the ECW roster before they folded.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Daniels most likely makes more doing Japanese tours and indy dates in America than what WWE would be willing to offer.

[Guest RedJed]

Daniels most likely makes more doing Japanese tours and indy dates in America than what WWE would be willing to offer.

Thats true..........he probably doesn't even need a WWE gig, possibly nor want it at this point. Especially if they have him a developmental contract, which is nothing to shake a stick at for top indy workers.

[Guest Banky]

Thats true..........he probably doesn't even need a WWE gig, possibly nor want it at this point. Especially if they have him a developmental contract, which is nothing to shake a stick at for top indy workers.

Do you think around the age of 30 Daniels would like to settle down and not travel across the world so much? If the guy has a family, having a steady North American job would probably interest him more. Also, no one forced him to attend the WWE camp. There must be some interest on his side.

[Guest RedJed]

Well he's probably getting paid for it maybe. Who knows why he's there, could be just to oversee things, not necessarily even be trying to be recruited.

 

A WWE full time schedule would likely be MORE demanding than his at this point I think.

[Guest ShooterJay]

They've had numerous opportunities to sign him and didn't. They won't this time either.

 

Once again, I must point out this essential flaw with the WWE:

Nathan Jones gets a program with the Undertaker. Christopher Daniels goes to an OVW tryout camp.

[Guest Banky]

They've had numerous opportunities to sign him and didn't. They won't this time either.

 

Once again, I must point out this essential flaw with the WWE:

Nathan Jones gets a program with the Undertaker. Christopher Daniels goes to an OVW tryout camp.

Yes they will. He is actually a threat to them now. They see he can work great for another promotion.

 

And to RedJed, the WWE wouldn't pay anyone to come to THEIR tryout.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I don't mind the top indy guys signing with the WWE, if you support the guy then you should be happy that they're getting a better income. I doubt TNA alone pays the bills.

 

They have too many good jr heavyweights now NOT to get the divison rolling.

[Guest RedJed]

I will say this much, its not like Daniels is lighting up the TNA company anyway, so even if they lost him, it wouldn't be that huge of a loss.

[Guest j.o.b. squad]

I wish daniels all the luck in geting into wwe.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Money isn't everything. Let's see WWE offer Daniels the same contract they offered Styles. I almost make enough to cover that.

[Guest Pegasus Kid]

From what I understand, the WWE has let up on their "exclusive" policy when it comes to their lower tiered workers and junior heavyweights. With Daniels only having to work one taping and two house shows per week with a regular salary AND the opportunity to work US Indies, I can't see why he wouldn't want to work for WWE. He'd get national exposure and that means an automatic increase in his asking price for independant bookings. It's pretty much win/win for him.

 

On a side note, while the travel time can be rough, the WWE style would be easier on Daniels body. He's still relatively young but why kill your body in 20 - 30 minute match when you can work 5 - 7 and get paid more for it?

 

Oh yeah; I find it highly unlikely that Ki will get a contract from WWE. I love watching this guy but he works way too stiff and in many cases recklessly for the WWE's liking.

[The Dames 0]

Justin, I'm not sure If I've told you this before, but I spoke with Low-Ki about a year ago before the Super 8 and asked him about his tryout with WWE. They wanted him to tone down his style, due to his stiffness and he basically refused.

 

Either way, he'd be wasted in WWE's Cruiserweight Division because his mic skills are poor and he's too small for them.

 

Dames

[Guest nikowwf]

True, money isn't everything. But damn, i feel bad for guys like Daniels cause I am sure I make a ton more than he does, and my salary will INCREASE as my career goes on, while his will at some point dissapear when he is no longer physically able to go. Its a real shame...i hope he hits it big somewhere at sometime cause if nothing else he has worked hard for a long time.

 

niko

[Guest The Notorious CRD]

Was Daniels invited to the camp or did he just go? I have a friend who wrestles in the indies and he was offered the chance to go to the OVW camp but would have to pay for it. Maybe Daniels is doing the same? Just something to consider.

[Guest Phoenix Fury Legdrop]

This whole thing doesn't have to do with Vince snatching up a TNA guy. Hell, it was nothing to do with either promotion. Daniels was going to work IWA Mid-South's loaded 300th Show. Jim Cornette and Danny Davis, who are bitter enemies with IWA-MS owners Jim Fannin and Ian Rotten, found out, and it was Davis and Cornette, not Jim Ross or Vince McMahon or anyone in Stamford, who asked Daniels to come in. He said yes, but they forced him to give up his IWA-MS booking. That's the story. This isn't even a tryout camp per se; it's just for guys to get more seasoning. Yeah, there will be WWE officials down there, but no one's getting signed, most likely.

[Guest RedJed]

This whole thing doesn't have to do with Vince snatching up a TNA guy. Hell, it was nothing to do with either promotion. Daniels was going to work IWA Mid-South's loaded 300th Show. Jim Cornette and Danny Davis, who are bitter enemies with IWA-MS owners Jim Fannin and Ian Rotten, found out, and it was Davis and Cornette, not Jim Ross or Vince McMahon or anyone in Stamford, who asked Daniels to come in. He said yes, but they forced him to give up his IWA-MS booking. That's the story. This isn't even a tryout camp per se; it's just for guys to get more seasoning. Yeah, there will be WWE officials down there, but no one's getting signed, most likely.

Thats what I figured this was about........I didn't think it was really a tryout camp more than just a seminar-type thing.

[syxx2001 0]

so its basically like the NBACL or whatever that summer league is? anybody came come, or be invited, but it doesn't mean they will be signed?

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

They wouldn't sign Daniels anyway, the're getting rid of people, not adding more. (Unless they are tall, have big muscles, and look mean).

 

What's more, do you think Vince even knows what TNA is? Or seen a show?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Yes on both counts.

 

They may not be as big as WCW was...but it's silly to think that someone of the importance of Vince McMahon doesn't know about them and any other little organization floating around.

 

Besides...they told Mike Sanders that he couldn't go anywhere for months after his release (after he asked for a full one and not the severence package) because they knew he was going to go right to TNA.

[Guest The Thread Killer]

I doubt it. He had no idea who Tenacious Z was until Heyman told him, and then they went out and signed the wrong guy by accident before finding out who the real one was.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

I wrote a column about this earlier this month...

 

 

 

"Christopher Daniels: King of the Indies...But For How Much Longer?"

by Jonathan Barber

February 14, 2003

Christopher Daniels, the aptly nicknamed "Fallen Angel," is undoubtedly one of - if not the - top wrestler surfing the independent circuit. The impre ssive list of his title reigns, tournament wins, heated feuds, and classic matches seem to go on forever, making it a wonder why he has never found sufficient success in either of the "big three" promotions (ECW, WCW, and WWF/E), even though he's worked for all three at least a few times before. Recently, though, WWE invited him to a training camp ran by their main developmental territory, Ohio Valley Wrestling. He and several others will all train in OVW for about a week or so and will be evaluated by OVW trainers and WWE scouts. It'd be a great present for him if he were to become a regular performer in WWE, seeing as how, just last year, he celebrated his 10-year anniversary as a pro wrestler.

However, if Daniels does make it to the spotlight attraction of WWE TV, this wouldn't be his first tenure there. Back in 1998, he was under developmental contract with the company and he, along with Kurt Angle, Shawn Stasiak, "Vicious" Vic Grimes, Erin O'Grady (now Crash Holly), Devon Storm (a.k.a. Crowbar), Matthew Bloom (formerly Albert and now A-Train), Andrew Martin (now Test), Steve Corino, and others, trained under Dory Funk Jr. and Dr. Tom Pritchard at the Funking Conservatory. While working there, he had an excellent series of matches with, among others, Steve Bradley. However, he, Corino, Storm, and a few others weren't picked up by WWE and were released from their developmental contracts.

Daniels, though, had surprisingly little trouble making a living on the indy circuit. He was in high demand by several different promotions, but not just in the U.S. - promotions ALL across the world began calling for him, too. Before mid-1999, Daniels had never had primarily worked in the U.S., but it was around this time that he first worked in England, in Puerto Rico, and in Japan. In Japan, he worked for MPW (Michinoku Pro), NJPW (including an appearance in their 2000 Super J Cup Tournament and on May 2002 Pay-Per-View), BattleArts, Shinjuku Pro, and the debut show of Eiji "Hayabusa" Ezaki's WMF promotion.

Of course, while he was receiving exposure in Japan, Daniels was still cruising the in dependents back in North America and enjoying it to its full advantage. He worked with a diverse roster of performers in ECWA, UPW, IWA-MS, WCPW, IWC, APW, PCW, PWF, and other promotions and won several different tournaments. After working a few ECW shows mid-2000, Daniels wrestled for WCW a few times in late 2000 and early 2001. He was seen several times on WCW Worldwide TV on more than one occasion and even made an appearance on the 1/23/01 Nitro edition (taped the previous day), where he wrestled Michae l Modest to a very good bout that ended in a No Contest at 6:56 when Scott Steiner interfered and attack both men. This makes him one of the VERY few U.S. independent wrestlers to work in ECW, WCW, and WWF/E.

Of course, even after being released from his developmental contract back in 1998, Daniels stayed in touch with WWE and has worked several tryout matches for the company in the last few years (he even several times on Jakked/Metal and Shotgun), but nothing seemed to come of any of those appearances. As 2001 transitioned into 2002, Daniels worked a few shows for the newly debuting WWA and XWF promotions, but soon found a home in Ring of Honor, his current home promotion, so to speak. There, he engaged in stiff combat mixed with a variety of different competitors, many of whom he hadn't worked with before. He also periodically works for NWA-TNA and has received some Pay-Per-View exposure through that company.

Now, Daniels has been given the chance to work in the big leagues - in WWE. The question, though, is whether he'd be better off in WWE or on the indy circuit. For most other pro wrestlers, an offer to sign for a contract with WWE would be instantly accepted without hesitation. With Daniels, thou gh, deciding whether to accept this offer may be more of a challenge. For about the last four years, Daniels has been a primary attraction on the indy circuit in more than 45 different promotions and six different countries (the U.S., Japan, Canada, Australia, Mexico, and England).

Becoming a full-time WWE wrestler would be a major change for him and one that he would be intelligent to strongly consider before accepting an offer, if one ever comes. AJ Styles surprised everybody by rejecting a WWE contractu al offer a year ago, citing WWE's chaotic schedule, which sees each wrestler on the road an average of two hundred days per year, and sometimes more. Believe it or not, though, Daniels is already on the road that long, if not longer, each year, so that's far from the primary issue.

Judging by history, though, it's rather unlikely that WWE would ever push him past midcard status, at least until they've built him up for a couple of years. Daniels may very well be the uncrowned "king of the indies," but succe ss on the indy circuit and success in WWE are two completely different things. The list of very sound workers who were never pushed to their full potential in WWE range from Al Snow and Sean Morley (Val Venis) to Perry Saturn and Bob "Hardcore" Holly (no m atter how you feel about his involvement in the "Tough Enough" beatdown incident, it doesn't change the fact that he's a very talented wrestler) to Jerry Lynn and Christian and Lance Storm. Each was never given his fair chance to shine and was put into un dercard angles and matches.

Vince McMahon has always proved to not be fond of taking stars from other promotions and placing them at the top of his cards and instead building them up gradually and, if they get over enough, eventually moving them up into th e uppercard, a formula that he followed with former-WCW stars like Booker, Chris Benoit, and Chris Jericho and former-ECW stars like Rhyno (before his neck injury, when he was getting a huge push), Rob Van Dam, and Steven Richards (he got a lot of TV time during the RTC storyline).

However, on the brighter side of things, Daniels is already one of the very most polished workers on the entire U.S. indy circuit and can easily adjust to just about any style that he needs to. He's put on tremendous matches wit h competitors of just about every style there is. He and the 400-pound Vic Grimes recently had a tremendous bout in CWA. His work in ROH cemented the fact that he can hang with the stiffest submission artists of them all, like Low Ki, American Dragon, and Samoa Joe. He has worked with high-flying aerialists like The Amazing Red and Jody Fleisch and produced exciting spotfests. He and guys like Michael Modest, Donovan Morgan, Doug Williams, Scoot Andrews have produced scientific clinics on several different occasions.

Plus, Daniels's experience in Japan, Mexico, England, Canada, Puerto Rico, Australia, and of course the U.S. gives him an important advantage over most of WWE's current roster. He's able to communicate very well in the ring with performers of all different nationalities, which would serve him well if he was to enter WWE and work with foreigner workers like Eddie Guerrero, Nunzio (formerly James "Little Guido" Maritato), Tajiri, Funaki, William Regal, and Rey Mysterio. Daniels would be one of the relatively few competitors on the current WWE roster to have had the opportunity to extensively work in several other countries throughout the world.

While Daniels hasn't had t he chance to work with most of the current WWE roster (with the exception of a select few), there are several performers who would prospectively make solid opponents for him. The first few that come to mind are guys like Billy Kidman, Jamie Noble, both Hardy Boyz, Lance Storm, and The Hurricane. Of course, there are a few other uppercarders in WWE that he'd match up to far better than most of the other aforementioned performers, specifically guys like Chris Jericho, Edge, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rob Van Dam, and Kurt Angle, but most likely, he wouldn't be pushed to uppercard status too quickly and will have to deal it out with undercarders and midcarders.

Even if he was to be hired by WWE, getting more than one or two minutes on Velocity or HeAT is an ything but a given. WWE has recently opened up its doors to several independent stars, like Michael "Nova" Bucci, James Maritato (now Nunzio), and Brian "Spanky" Kendrick, while other indy standouts like Bryan "American Dragon" Danielson, Michael Shane, and Xavier have been rumored to be close to receiving developmental contracts.

Even with the competition that comes with maintaining a spot on the WWE roster, Daniels - if he was to receive a WWE contract as a regular on-television superstar - would probabl y be even better off than he is now. He already works three or four shows per week and travels all around the U.S. and sometimes even to England, Japan, and other countries, whereas - as a WWE wrestler - he'd be working almost exclusively in the U.S. and getting paid much better than he already is. Plus, he'd have the chance to work with and learn from the greatest grapplers in the world, from Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle to the Dudley Boyz to Christian and Lance Storm.

All in all, there's really no reason for Daniels not to receive a WWE contract. After analyzing his current schedule, the travel that he would probably have to endure in WWE would most likely not be much of a problem. He has nearly perfected his craft over the past decade and is one of the m o st tenured grapplers on the indy circuit. So, if - and that's the most important question of all - WWE is willing to hire Daniels as a full-time performer, there's really no reason for him to turn down that offer, as long as it's enough for him to support and maintain his family life (which it would most likely be more than successful in accomplishing).

Even if Daniels wasn't kept on the roster for more than a few months but got at least some television exposure during that period, he'd be greatly benefited. K-Kwik got less than a year of exposure on WWE TV (and most of that exposure came on second-tier shows like HeAT) and soon after being released, found a home in the new NWA-TNA and - as Ron Killings - won the legendary NWA World Heavyweight Title, whicH he held for three and a half months. Daniels could be released from WWE three months after being put on Velocity or HeAT (which he'd probably have no problem at all getting onto, seeing as how WWE already puts no-name indy performers on those shows each week), he'd receive some decent exposure and would quickly be able to return to his former home promotions on the indy circuit, like FWA, MPW, ECWA, ROH, NWA-TNA, etc.

There's no question that Daniels is ready to enter the big leagues and he's arguably bee n ready to do so for the last year or so. He's as seasoned an indy veteran as one comes and is one of the most well-rounded performers not just in the U.S., but in the entire world. For a WWE career for Christopher Daniels, the time is NOW and I, for one, wish him the very best of luck for a successful career in the biggest promotion of them all.

[Guest RedJed]

I doubt it. He had no idea who Tenacious Z was until Heyman told him, and then they went out and signed the wrong guy by accident before finding out who the real one was.

I'm sure Vince has seen some of TNA. He knows that Jarrett can be a threat, he's worked with him and against him many times in the past. I don't think he's too concerned about the competition since its just ppv based at this point and until the ppv WWE numbers do a huge drop, he doesn't even see them as true competition (which is probably a true assessment) But I still think he watches the product if he gets a chance to at times. I don't think its coincidence we saw the angry black man angle occur on Raw a few months ago, I'll just say that much.

 

The Tenacious Z thing was fucked up, but that wasn't Vince's doing. That was all on Johnny Aces shoulders to take care of the deal, and he was the one that fucked it all up apparently.

[Guest JHawk]

Just to clarify a question asked earlier about OVW's camps:

 

They're a combination of first come first served and invitation. Meaning:

 

You send in your application to join the camp. They limit it to 40, and I might be mistaken, but I believe they only take the first 40 "qualified" applicants. Those people pay to attend the camp at $995, and at the end of the week, the ones they like get to stay to train at their school, with that initial $995 going toward the $3000 tuition.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I believe the OVW-IWA:MS story has more to do with Daniels working in OVW then the fact that Vince is interested in him. If McMahon really wanted to screw over Jarrett, I'm sure there is a bigger star he could sign. Plus, Daniels has been on the indy scene practically forever and was never picked up by the WWF. Now he is 30 and 9 times out of 10 the WWE sticks to signing younger wrestlers to developmental deals. I also doubt Low Ki` will be wrestling in the WWE any time soon. Most of the workers from the X-Division would be wasted in the WWE and even Vince should be able to see that. Just look at how they "used" Jerry Lynn.