Guest starvenger Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 Latest trades (geez, a shitload this year): Bryan Smolinski to Ott / Tim Gleason to L.A. Jan Hrdina and Francois Leroux to Phx / Ramzi Abid and Guillame Lefevbre to Pit Steve Thomas to Ana / 5th round 2003 to Chi Janne Laukkanen to Tam via Waivers Todd Warriner to Nas via Waivers ...and there's a rumour that Doug Gilmour may be headed back to Toronto.
Guest starvenger Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 But wait, there's one more!! Janne Niinimaa, 2nd 2003 and 4th 2003 to NYI / Brad Isbister and Raffi Torres to Edm - nice to see that the Isles are serious about keeping their young guys...
Guest evilhomer Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 As a Wings fan,I don't like this move at all. Too much to give up for Schneider. A young defenseman with some size,a young tough guy, and two picks? It might work out but it seems like a lot of the future to give up for one decent defenseman. How many good teams fail to add that one little piece that they need to get over the hump? You may be mortgaging your future, but if it wins you a cup, then it's a lot better than holding onto the prospects so that your always competitive, but never a champion. To NYR: Ales Pisa, Anson Carter To Edm: Radek Dvorak, Cory Cross This one makes no sense. Edmonton gives up a young defenceman and a scorer who could help them win a few games in the playoffs if he gets hot. Carter may be gone next year because they couldn't afford him, but with a qualifying offer they could have held his rights, then traded him for at least as much as they got now. It would have been much better to hold him and hopefully get at least a couple more playoff games that bring in an easy million each. ...and there's a rumour that Doug Gilmour may be headed back to Toronto. That's held up by a clause in Killer's contract. He get a half million if he gets traded, then another half million if he plays one playoff game. With the Leafs having one hand on the balance sheet, and the other hand holding that hand up, it's pretty unlikely. Even though a hot Gilmour could help bring in an extra dozen playoff games.
Guest Mikey2Dope Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 TSN just reported that Chicago has traded Phil Housley to the Maple Leafs for future considerations. Edit: Doug Gilmour is now a Leaf. No word yet on what Montreal gets. Man Toronto is starting to look REALLY good.
Guest nl5xsk1 Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 All the great Bruins trades are probably listed in their own thread, I guess. I'll just go check that one out to see how many brilliant trades Mikey O'Connell was able to swing this year. (nl5xsk1 goes and looks at the lack of Bruins trades, and quietly weeps to himself)
Guest treble charged Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 TSN just reported that Chicago has traded Phil Housley to the Maple Leafs for future considerations. Edit: Doug Gilmour is now a Leaf. No word yet on what Montreal gets. Man Toronto is starting to look REALLY good. Montreal got future considerations, too, I think. And may I just say, YES~!
Guest CanadianChris Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 TSN just reported that Chicago has traded Phil Housley to the Maple Leafs for future considerations. Edit: Doug Gilmour is now a Leaf. No word yet on what Montreal gets. Man Toronto is starting to look REALLY good. Montreal got future considerations, too, I think. And may I just say, YES~! Montreal gets a sixth-round pick this year. This greatly saddens me, as I'm now going to be cheering against my all-time favourite player (hometown boy and all that) for the first time ever.
Guest Kingpk Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 THE BRUINS HAVE MADE TWO MOVES!!!!! Bruins get: Dan McGillis (D) from the Sharks for a draft pick. McGillis has 3G, 16A and a concussion. and Bruins get: Ian Moran from the Blackhawks for a 4th round pick on '03. Moran has 0G, 7A. WAHOO!!!!
Guest evilhomer Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 If Toronto made these trades last year, it would have been them in the final instead of Carolina. Now their making them when there's a much stronger Ottawa team in front of them. Aw well, at least it'll keep it interesting.
Guest starvenger Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 TSN just reported that Chicago has traded Phil Housley to the Maple Leafs for future considerations. Edit: Doug Gilmour is now a Leaf. No word yet on what Montreal gets. Man Toronto is starting to look REALLY good. The future considerations for Housley were a 4th and a 9th in 2003 Killer is back for a 6th rounder in 2003. I don't think that the Leafs have many picks left this year. (edit) and Don Cherry probably just had about 10 orgasms (/edit) I like the Housley trade, but you what would have been better? Getting Housley 10 YEARS AGO. Bruins get: Dan McGillis (D) from the Sharks for a draft pick. McGillis has 3G, 16A and a concussion. After seeing Sunday's game, maybe a d-man with a concussion will help. I think this will help out Boston.
Guest cartman Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 Good deals for Boston. THIS year isn't their year anyways. Just wait a couple more when Thornton is really in his prome, Murray is getting better every year, Jillson will be ready next year and will make everyone in Boston forget about that Mclaren guy, Raycroft will be our starter next year, Andy Hilbert and Matt Herr will be incredible too, watch!
Guest Mikey2Dope Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 Canucks aquired Brad May from Phoenix for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I like it. Brad May is a gritty hard working player and adds a lot to the Canucks. Brian Burke said the Canucks had a bigger deal going but that fell apart a couple of minutes before the deadline and this player wasn't traded today. I have a feeling it was Ray Whitney.
Guest LaParkaMarka Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 Man, I don't know what Edmonton was thinking. Ditching Carter for Dvorak? I don't like it. But hey, it could work out. And the only move the Canucks made was to pick up Brad freaking May. Meanwhile, every other big playoff team adds a bunch of decent players. *sigh* Yesterday some local news places were reporting that the Canucks were trying to pick up Satan and Zhitnik from the Sabres, for Sopel, some 3rd/4th line fwd, and a few picks. That would have been sweet.
Guest gthureson Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 To NYR: Ales Pisa, Anson Carter To Edm: Radek Dvorak, Cory Cross This one makes no sense. Edmonton gives up a young defenceman and a scorer who could help them win a few games in the playoffs if he gets hot. Carter may be gone next year because they couldn't afford him, but with a qualifying offer they could have held his rights, then traded him for at least as much as they got now. It would have been much better to hold him and hopefully get at least a couple more playoff games that bring in an easy million each. After seeing the Niinimaa trade, Lowe seems to have decided to open up some payroll to sign the younger guys on the team. Comrie needs a new contract, as does Smyth I think. Only problem with these deals is their coach. Edmonton can get all the prospects and young guys they want, but Mac T seems loathe to play them. He'd rather give Oilers fans a good dose of Swanson hockey than play Rita or Hemsky lots of nights. Cross was picked up to fill Niinimaa's roster spot, and they are banking on Dvorak returning to 31 goal form it seems. Not sure I like either of these, 'cause I think Isbister is a washout, prospect wise, but Torres is supposed to be good. Back to the drawing board for the Oil, it seems.
Guest gthureson Posted March 11, 2003 Report Posted March 11, 2003 Detroit is known for getting the most out of their aging players in recent years, so I'd expect that Schneider won't be any different. I mean, who was the last old player that didn't work out for Detroit? Jamie Macoun? The Kings will hopefully draft well and take advantage of the windfall they got in this trade, because this is definitely good for them in the long run. Jiri Slegr didn't do much for them. Neither did Wendel Clark. I don't think Tomas Sandstrom did much when he became a Wing in a deadline deal. Macoun won two Cups with them, so I think they did alright with him.
Guest Karnage Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Canucks aquired Brad May from Phoenix for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I like it. Brad May is a gritty hard working player and adds a lot to the Canucks. Brian Burke said the Canucks had a bigger deal going but that fell apart a couple of minutes before the deadline and this player wasn't traded today. I have a feeling it was Ray Whitney. Brad May is a Canuck again... I heard Canucks were gonna trade Sopel and some other guys for Zhitnik and Satan. That would of been an awesome trade.
Guest nl5xsk1 Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Good deals for Boston. THIS year isn't their year anyways. Just wait a couple more when Thornton is really in his prome, Murray is getting better every year, Jillson will be ready next year and will make everyone in Boston forget about that Mclaren guy, Raycroft will be our starter next year, Andy Hilbert and Matt Herr will be incredible too, watch! There are two flaws with this line of thinking: 1) is the strike/lockout after next season ... who knows how much time will be missed, and what the salary-repurcussions are. And 2) is even if things are settled, the Bruins will still be as cheap as humanly possible and not be able to keep the team together. (I remember like 4 years ago thinking "with Allison and Thornton, we'll have two young, excellent Centers in a few years" and then we trade Allison right when we're getting there. Yeah, getting Murray made it a great trade, but it just shows that you don't know WHO will still be a Bruin in 3 years.)
Guest evilhomer Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 After seeing the Niinimaa trade, Lowe seems to have decided to open up some payroll to sign the younger guys on the team. Comrie needs a new contract, as does Smyth I think. That was my point though. I'd think that Carter would win more playoff games for you than Dvorak would, so hold on to him to hopefully get a couple of extra million dollar home games. He's a group 2 free agent, so a qualifying offer of a 10% raise from his current salary and Edmonton holds his rights. They could then trade those rights to get at least a Dvorak in the summer, and still have had the benefit of Carter in the playoffs.
Guest cartman Posted March 12, 2003 Report Posted March 12, 2003 Yeah, getting Murray made it a great trade, but it just shows that you don't know WHO will still be a Bruin in 3 years.) Well one thing I do know is that Thornton will not be going anywhere. He is the present day Bourque/Orr for the Bruins.
Guest redbaron51 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Toronto doesn't win the cup this year, or next, say bye to Doug Gilmour, Phil Housley, Ed Belfour, Gary Roberts, Shane Corson, Owen Nolan, Mats Sundin... wow...no depth..
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Toronto is also the team that had the most prospects in the World Junior tournament this year, so you could expect at least a few of them to become bonafide NHLers in the next few years (Coliavoco already has experience in the big leagues). Plus, they could always pick up a few players by free agency, which is where a lot of their current players have come from. Maybe Nolan will leave when his contract is up because he'll command a lot of money, but do you really think Sundin's going anywhere anytime soon?
Guest redbaron51 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Toronto only got two players that can help them, Nolan and Housley (Wesley is average, but will take the obvious dumb penalties) Quinn loves to trade prospects for old timers, and as long as the clutch and grab style is in, and collapse on a one goal lead...its all fine. Other teams made moves as well (Most leaf fans don't get that yet). Detroit, Colorado, Dallas, Ottawa and New Jersey did well to help as well, and they are also major threats for the cup. Some of the potential teams are Phili, St. Louis and Vancouver as well, just depending on who they play and who they don't play. If Toronto gets knocked out first round, wear a paper bag over your head
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Quinn loves to trade prospects for old timers, Wha? Since when? He's hardly traded any prospects in his time in Toronto, for one because the Leafs didn't have many when he came there, and two because he was burned in the Mogilny trade when he was in Vancouver (giving up Peca). I really have no idea where you get this from.
Guest redbaron51 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 prospects, draft picks, young guns... he sends them away like it was nothing.
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 He really doesn't, though. I'll admit he traded away Mike Johnson, Todd Warriner, and Fred Modin, but most of those guys never really turned out to be anything special, anyway. I regret them letting Steve Sullivan and Jason Smith go, though, but their forwards are good enough as is right now, so Smith is the only one who would make a big difference on this team right now.
Guest redbaron51 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 If Modin, Sullivan stayed with the Leafs, I think they would play their best hockey with them now, instead being traded to a mediocore team.
Guest The Czech Republic Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Holy shit...does Chicago have a hockey team anymore? It's a Blackhawk fire sale. By the end of the season it'll be Jocelyn Thibault all by himself against the other team, and by virtue of having no skaters on the ice, our power play will actually be better.
Guest starvenger Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 If Modin, Sullivan stayed with the Leafs, I think they would play their best hockey with them now, instead being traded to a mediocore team. I don't think so. When you're playing in a hockey mecca area like Toronto, Detroit, New York or Montreal you're gonna be under a media microscope. If you go to an area where there isn't this type of scrutiny (say, Tampa or Carolina) it's much easier to thrive because people don't expect you to get 2 points every night. btw, Cliff Fletcher is the guy who traded away a lot of young prospects and draft picks to get oldtimers, not Quinn (Jonsson for Clark anyone?). wrt the Eastern Conference, I wouldn't call them the 'weaker' conference, because frankly it looks like it's gonna be a war of attrition in the playoffs.
Guest Banky Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 The Leafs are stacked with guys who are in the twilights of their careers. They are out 1st round. Gau-ren-teed.
Guest redbaron51 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 my bad...fletcher thought he was done after the 95 season...
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