Okay.....

[Guest gangsteruwa]

(If this was mentioned in a thread already, I'm sorry if I stole your thought,  I didn't have time to read all 12 pages of the one and only raw thread.)

 

Last night at the end of the Rock/Hogan vs. Hall/Nash match, when the count out was happening, and the Rock's and Hogan's back were towards the commentators area and the majority of the crowd, did anyone expect a run-in.  It would have made total sense, and RAW would have ended without me scratching my head (as long as the run-in wasn't someone I don't give a shit about, XPac).  I was expecting Scott Steiner to come down and pummel the #### out of the Rock and Hogan.

[Guest converge241]

There were some camera angles to suggest that too.

I knew it wouldnt be X-Pac (I couldnt see Rock and Hogan selling a 1 on 2 sneak attack form the 'Pac) But i thought maybe Steiner

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Steiner would have been cool. We'll probably see him sometime this year.

[Guest]

Yeah, something was definately weird-ified about how it ended. I was actually expecting a run in and for Hogan to turn on the Rock right away. It'd have made nWo sense, if it didn't make sense to the rest of the world.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

#### steiner. He'd kill Lesnar's debut, and he sucks.

[Guest Brian]

One debut should have been enough for that night.

[Guest]

I agree One debut was enough for one night.

 

I think they should form the Kliq. My only problems with that is that I think they may have trouble getting over as heels.

 

Hall and Nah are starting to get decent heat. I'd definatley add Steiner and Xpac to the group.

 

The crowd loaths Xpac.

[Guest starvenger]

Yeah, something was definately weird-ified about how it ended. I was actually expecting a run in and for Hogan to turn on the Rock right away. It'd have made nWo sense, if it didn't make sense to the rest of the world.

I agree with you.  The setup was right there, and I was actually kinda disappointed when it didn't happen.

[Guest notJames]

I'm torn.

 

On the one hand, I can't see the point of rehashing old stables or bringing back wrestlers who are either problematic backstage (supposedly) or possibly past their prime. So far I haven't been impressed with Hall or Nash on either a wrestling or character standpoint. Hogan's face pops the last two nights have been breathtaking and surprising, but I don't see it lasting, especially outside of Canada. Especially if they start cramming Him down our throats like so many are afraid of.

 

Bringing in Steiner doesn't seem right to me either, since the last time I saw him was on the last Nitro and he really didn't impress me with his lack of mobility. Sure the Fed needs pure heels and all, but shouldn't we be moving forward instead of trying to cash in on old glories?

 

And besides, since they got here, the nWo have mostly cut bad promos and backstage skits to make up for their lack of wrestling ability. Bringing back X-Pac may boost it up a notch, but a deteriorated Shawn Micheals or Scott Steiner doesn't seem to be the Answer that everyone thinks it is, especially if they're looking for more actual wrestling.

 

On the other hand, since the die has already been cast and the Wonder Twins and Hogan are already here, it would be impracticaly to cut the nWo storyline now, so logically they might have to start injecting them with some new (old) blood to keep it going. And yes, seeing old faces seems to bring a good initial pop, but look where that's gotten the Fed for the past few months (Rock, Flair, nWo). Two weeks of cheers tops, then the malaise gradually seeps back in.

 

I will admit, however, that last night was a step in the right direction (Lesnar, Heyman, Da Split). And if they do turn Rock, that would be interesting AND something new. And that's what the Fed really needs.

 

$0.02

[Guest TheMikeSC]

(If this was mentioned in a thread already, I'm sorry if I stole your thought,  I didn't have time to read all 12 pages of the one and only raw thread.)

 

Last night at the end of the Rock/Hogan vs. Hall/Nash match, when the count out was happening, and the Rock's and Hogan's back were towards the commentators area and the majority of the crowd, did anyone expect a run-in.  It would have made total sense, and RAW would have ended without me scratching my head (as long as the run-in wasn't someone I don't give a shit about, XPac).  I was expecting Scott Steiner to come down and pummel the #### out of the Rock and Hogan.

 

 

 

 

Why would anybody WANT Scott Steiner back? Does the WWF need MORE inept workers with poor mic skills and a horrible submission finisher?

                        -=Mike

[Guest teke184]

Screw Steiner, we've got Lesnar who's actually healthy and able to work good matches from what I've heard.  

 

Now that we've got a guy that looks like a 'roided up Bob Backlund, we don't need an even more 'roided Superstar Graham impersonator like Steiner.

[Guest dreamer420]

I agree that Steiner could have been valuable to the WWF maybe 5 or 6 years ago but now his foot is fucked, his promos are horrible crap, and he is not exactly a model of self control either.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Yes, Finally people are starting to agree with me!!!!! Keep Scott Steiner off my tv screen. F*ck Goldberg! As much as I love HBK and Bret, stay retired guys. It's time for some new talent to be given the chance. And if UT and Austin can't help change with the times, leave them behind too!

[Guest Human Fly]

They could have had X-Pac come out and then it would have been 3 on 2 with the nwo getting the upper hand. I could have bought that. Also, with everyone ocmplaining about HHH looking too much like a bodybuilder I can't believe half of the net is clamoring for Scott Steiner to come back. I'm glad that some people are speaking up finally. If he can come back and work a decent match then I don't mind. I'm not going to lie, if he can work a passable match and cut a good promo I don't really mind if it helps build up the angle. But don't waste millions on some over the hill wrestler who is boring on the mike as well, and then cut 6 or so promising developmental wrestlers to save expenses.

[Guest Lil Naitch]

It was a disapointing ending to a great show. And I did expect to see X-Pac back.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Why would anybody WANT Scott Steiner back? Does the WWF need MORE inept workers with poor mic skills and a horrible submission finisher?

I loved him on the mike.  The crude, psychotic ladies' man with big muscles character he portrayed is one of my favorites.

 

 

So far I haven't been impressed with Hall or Nash on either a wrestling or character standpoint.

The first one I'll agree with, but did you really expect to be impressed there?  As far as characters go, I love Hall's "not an animal" thing and I hope he keeps it going.  Nash hasn't done much, but that's because he hasn't really been given much.  The promo on Raw was his first real chance and I thought it was very, very good.

 

Bringing in Steiner doesn't seem right to me either, since the last time I saw him was on the last Nitro and he really didn't impress me with his lack of mobility.

How could you not be impressed by his lack of mobility?  I've always been quite impressed at how immobile he is now!  

 

On the other hand, since the die has already been cast and the Wonder Twins and Hogan are already here, it would be impracticaly to cut the nWo storyline now, so logically they might have to start injecting them with some new (old) blood to keep it going.

I agree.  And it's nice to see you're looking on both sides of this.

 

And yes, seeing old faces seems to bring a good initial pop, but look where that's gotten the Fed for the past few months (Rock, Flair, nWo). Two weeks of cheers tops, then the malaise gradually seeps back in.

People still make a lot of noise for those three.

[Guest notJames]

And yes, seeing old faces seems to bring a good initial pop, but look where that's gotten the Fed for the past few months (Rock, Flair, nWo). Two weeks of cheers tops, then the malaise gradually seeps back in.

 

People still make a lot of noise for those three.

True. I think I was thinking more along the lines of boosted ratings, where during their initial returns, ratings went up for a couple of weeks and then settled back down again. My bad.

 

As for Hall, yeah, the whole "I'm not an animal" thing was okay, but I kinda wish he'd pick up the pace in his promos. The whole "pause-after-every-three-words" thing is getting harder and harder to listen to. And yes, Nash's rant last Monday was pretty good, but unless he can back it up with da skillz, I'm not sure it's going to lead to anything meaningful. I mean, that's what we're here for, the wrestling. Right?

 

Right?

[Guest One Bad Apple]

True. I think I was thinking more along the lines of boosted ratings, where during their initial returns, ratings went up for a couple of weeks and then settled back down again. My bad.

I'd say the storylines they get has a lot to do with it, too.

 

And yes, Nash's rant last Monday was pretty good, but unless he can back it up with da skillz, I'm not sure it's going to lead to anything meaningful. I mean, that's what we're here for, the wrestling. Right?

Nash isn't going to back it up with any kind of wrestling ability.  His knees are is pretty bad shape ... plus it's not like was great to begin with.  He was never brought in for that.  He brought in because he's a pretty big name, and for his physical presence, charisma and promo ability.

 

I'm satisfied with Nash right now.  No offense, but it's silly to expect much wrestling-wise from Kevin Nash.  Unless he starts doing some pretty egregious stuff, I don't think it's really worth criticizing him for.

[Guest notJames]

He [was] brought in because he's a pretty big name, and for his physical presence, charisma and promo ability...it's silly to expect much wrestling-wise from Kevin Nash.  Unless he starts doing some pretty egregious stuff, I don't think it's really worth criticizing him for.

Good point. I guess it's just frustrating having all these old-timers who were once draws being given all this face time when younger guys who desperately need the TV exposure get shunted to the B- and C-level shows (if they're lucky).

 

As for being "egregious", his in-ring appearances have approached that level on one or two occasions (botched clothesline-over-the-top-rope bump, bad Thesz press bump, noticeably poor conditioning). I'm willing to chalk it up to ring rust if he improves over the next few weeks/months, or severely limits his in-ring presence to DQ beat-downs and or receiving the occasional Buzzsaw Kick from Tajiri