Diplomat Resigns

[cawthon777 0]

Just as a point of reference, The Defense Department has ordered 15,000 body bags for the upcoming war. They have some 34,000 in stock right now.

 

Also, they have ordered some 9,000 Purple Hearts to be manufactered in "Dont Mess With" Texas.

Well, when you're going to war it's best to be overprepared than under. I don't think they know how many Americans will die unless they're using the White House Magic 8-Ball.

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Right. Just like the "future Iraq" that Bush/Blair puts in place will likely repay them with favorable oil prices.

What's wrong with that? We are risking American lives not only to get Saddam out of power, and thus get rid of the thorn that has been in our sides for over a decade, but we're also freeing the Iraqi people after almost 25 years of living under a regime of oppression.

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Well just the fact that when the gassing actually took place we didn't seem to care, but now it is convienent to bring it up as a reason to go to war. I don't see how the "he gassed the kurds" argument is sufficient

Maybe it's because the administration that was in place at the time didn't want to go to all the trouble of doing something about the situation.

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So basically what you just said was "I don't like you being able to back up your claims, so I'm going to discredit what you said cause I'm right and you're wrong."

 

Bottom line, has anyone here heard of this random diplomat before now?  No.  So why should we kiss his feet for speaking his mind and leaking it to the press to aid the anti-war movement PR battle?  It's not a big loss.

 

Fact: Saddam has slaughtered hundereds of thousands of his people since coming into power in 1979.  I repeat, fact.  A good number of those were Kurds.  That's how he tests his chemical weapons.

First off, sorry for taking so long to get to this thread. I dont visit CE much on this forum as I do WWE.

 

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THE U.S. DID DICK ALL TO STOP HUSSEIN FROM GASSING KURDS. That is the nail in the coffin of the 'he has been a horrible threat for years' argument. If he really had been this looming devilhitlerbastard-man, the right would have been shitting bricks about him for years. But in reality, nobody considered him a threat or his actions an atrocity worthy of attention, until 9/11 gave them an excuse to beat that drum and use that spin. Their actual reasons are nothing in the way of humanitarian, and that cause is nothing but a convenient soundbyte.

 

Also, Fact: putting the word 'fact' in front of your opinion does not make it 'fact'. IN THIS CIVILIZATION, WE REQUIRE EVIDENCE

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Well just the fact that when the gassing actually took place we didn't seem to care, but now it is convienent to bring it up as a reason to go to war.  I don't see how the "he gassed the kurds" argument is sufficient

Maybe it's because the administration that was in place at the time didn't want to go to all the trouble of doing something about the situation.

Ok, it would be one thing if it was only the administration was silent, but I didn't hear ANY banging of that drum from ANYONE back when it was happening. Not from the left, the right, Ann Coulter, Alan Colmes, Sean Hannity, Phil Donahue etc......So to bring it up TODAY like it happened yesterday is pretty frivilous, considering we didn't feel the need to step in and do a damn thing about it back then until "other things" were set in place first.

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THE U.S. DID DICK ALL TO STOP HUSSEIN FROM GASSING KURDS. That is the nail in the coffin of the 'he has been a horrible threat for years' argument. If he really had been this looming devilhitlerbastard-man, the right would have been shitting bricks about him for years. But in reality, nobody considered him a threat or his actions an atrocity worthy of attention, until 9/11 gave them an excuse to beat that drum and use that spin. Their actual reasons are nothing in the way of humanitarian, and that cause is nothing but a convenient soundbyte.

 

Also, Fact: putting the word 'fact' in front of your opinion does not make it 'fact'. IN THIS CIVILIZATION, WE REQUIRE EVIDENCE

Well when the Kurd issue has been brought up by everyone as fact - pro and anti-war alike, conversative and liberal alike, Fox News and CNN alike - well, then I'm inclined to believe it as fact. No, I wasn't there in person to witness it myself but I would credit it as being as factual as the Holocaust (yeah, that was real too).

 

Bush wanted Saddam before he even took the oath; that is backed up by Bush's speech writer (don't know his name; wrote The Right Man which was recently released). Now you can look at that in many ways - you can look at it as him being an evil greedy man who wants to hook his friends up with oil at the expense of the lives of American soldiers, you can look him as being a daddy's boy who wants to appease George Sr. at the expense of the lives of American soldiers, OR you can look at him as being someone that knew Saddam needed to be taken care of at some point. Then 9/11 came along. So what before might have relied on diplomatic means, now military action is something necessary.

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Ok, it would be one thing if it was only the administration was silent, but I didn't hear ANY banging of that drum from ANYONE back when it was happening. Not from the left, the right, Ann Coulter, Alan Colmes, Sean Hannity, Phil Donahue etc......So to bring it up TODAY like it happened yesterday is pretty frivilous, considering we didn't feel the need to step in and do a damn thing about it back then until "other things" were set in place first.

Clinton bombed Iraq a few times during his 8-year run. Didn't do much and there wasn't any government opposition. On top of that, Iraq was not seen as a big threat at the time. Times have changed. Whether someone believes it could happen or not, Saddam has the capabilities to pass his chemical weapons and whatever else into the hands of terrorists outside Iraq.