Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Taker/Lesnar really may not be that bad if booked properly. Are you on glue? Hey, I'm just giving resolutions. Like I said, Taker/Lesnar isn't exactly on my list for dream rematches...but I can see it happening and it COULD be good if booked properly. They did it for Rock/Hogan I and Warrior/Hogan...they can do it for Taker/Lesnar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Taker/Lesnar really may not be that bad if booked properly. Are you on glue? Hey, I'm just giving resolutions. Like I said, Taker/Lesnar isn't exactly on my list for dream rematches...but I can see it happening and it COULD be good if booked properly. They did it for Rock/Hogan I and Warrior/Hogan...they can do it for Taker/Lesnar. Lesnar vs. Taker compared to Hogan/Warrior or Hogan/Rock rematches? Once again: Are you on glue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BifEverchad Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Because he's gone from face - heel - face since he's returned and it's been 8 months. I was at the Royal Rumble and watching Boston give him a standing ovation....man, he was just ON as far as being a babyface. Turning him heel...That's the last thing they need UNLESS they do a thing where Angle is found backstage (just like Edge) and Benoit is revealed to be the assaliant. He's bitter that he had to have neck surgery, so he's going after people's necks. Edge...Angle....now he wants Brock. That's my only resolution. If they need to turn Benoit heel, I think that is perfect. And it shows he will injure anyone (Edge, a face and Angle, a heel) to get the World title. Ooh, I could get into that. I could REALLY enjoy that. Of course, it will be ruined when they do all that storytelling and have Brock destroy him for the last two weeks w/o letting Benoit get a move. Thats GOLD! Hire HartFan right now Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Taker/Lesnar really may not be that bad if booked properly. Are you on glue? No, we're just in Angle withdrawal already. We can help each other through this. What did you guys do for Benoit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I have the sneaking suspicion that it's going to end up being Lesnar/Taker which is, in my opinion, the WORST way to go. I say go with Benoit/Lesnar, face/face match with Benoit going over...turning heel the next night, and holding the title until SummerSlam where Brock finally gets it back Well, there's one positive for Angle in this... at least he can stay at home with his daughter for a year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Taker/Lesnar really may not be that bad if booked properly. Are you on glue? Hey, I'm just giving resolutions. Like I said, Taker/Lesnar isn't exactly on my list for dream rematches...but I can see it happening and it COULD be good if booked properly. They did it for Rock/Hogan I and Warrior/Hogan...they can do it for Taker/Lesnar. Lesnar vs. Taker compared to Hogan/Warrior or Hogan/Rock rematches? Once again: Are you on glue? I'm comparing Lesnar/Taker's potential to Hogan/Warrior and Rock/Hogan I because there is booking potential there. I'm also comparing it to saying it may not be the best techincal match the world has ever seen (much like the matches stated above), but the booking of it could work. It has potential. Trust me. And Yes, I'm going thru Angle withdrawal already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I have the sneaking suspicion that it's going to end up being Lesnar/Taker which is, in my opinion, the WORST way to go. I say go with Benoit/Lesnar, face/face match with Benoit going over...turning heel the next night, and holding the title until SummerSlam where Brock finally gets it back Well, there's one positive for Angle in this... at least he can stay at home with his daughter for a year Oh, aside from a horrible neck injury and missing a match that he (If no one else) was still excited for, there are a LOT of positives for Kurt. His daughter, of course. A paid year off Time to get into top shape and heal any other nagging injuries And time to let fans forget how horribly he's been booked and time to hit reset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 His daughter, of course. A paid year off Time to get into top shape and heal any other nagging injuries And time to let fans forget how horribly he's been booked and time to hit reset. And his neck problems from 1995 Olympics and now Early 2003? Heh, give him to Youngblood and Angle will be a fucking machine when he gets back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Taker/Lesnar really may not be that bad if booked properly. Are you on glue? Hey, I'm just giving resolutions. Like I said, Taker/Lesnar isn't exactly on my list for dream rematches...but I can see it happening and it COULD be good if booked properly. They did it for Rock/Hogan I and Warrior/Hogan...they can do it for Taker/Lesnar. Lesnar vs. Taker compared to Hogan/Warrior or Hogan/Rock rematches? Once again: Are you on glue? I'm comparing Lesnar/Taker's potential to Hogan/Warrior and Rock/Hogan I because there is booking potential there. I'm also comparing it to saying it may not be the best techincal match the world has ever seen (much like the matches stated above), but the booking of it could work. It has potential. Trust me. And Yes, I'm going thru Angle withdrawal already. Neither the Undertaker or Brock Lesnar are close to as over as The Warrior, Hogan, or Rock was when they fought their respective matches. Thats insulting to think otherwise. The Taker/Lesnar matches were failures for Unforgiven and No Mercy, why should they be redone for Wrestlemania? The Hell in a Cell match was passable, only because of Lesnar's bad ass kickery. But both faces? Fuuuuuck that. Taker as champion? Fuuuuuck that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted March 5, 2003 What about Kevin Nash? They said he would be ready to wrestle, but the office didn't want to rush him back. Maybe they would rush him back if they were going to put him in the ME. He has a history of getting in Vince's ear, and there is no doubt HHH would be all for it. This would actually be worse then the Undertaker too. Wrestlemania XIX: Diesel v. Brock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Will there even be a WWE in a year's time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Neither the Undertaker or Brock Lesnar are close to as over as The Warrior, Hogan, or Rock was when they fought their respective matches. Thats insulting to think otherwise. The Taker/Lesnar matches were failures for Unforgiven and No Mercy, why should they be redone for Wrestlemania? The Hell in a Cell match was passable, only because of Lesnar's bad ass kickery. But both faces? Fuuuuuck that. Taker as champion? Fuuuuuck that. Where did I say Taker/Lesnar = Rock/Hogan/Warrior as far as wrestling goes? I'm saying the BOOKING STYLE. How they hit the spots just at the right moment to make the crowd pop, and the viewers at home to really get in the match. Taker/Lesnar was a failure at Unforgiven because there was so much bullshit going into the match because of the finish.....and No Mercy wasn't a failure, it was a great brawl and Taker did the right thing and put over Brock clean. And Taker being champion is probably not going to happen...I was just giving an alternative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Hire HartFan right now Vince. Heh, thanks. I wouldn't mind being a 16 year old Junior in High School...with a full time job on the WWE booking team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Neither the Undertaker or Brock Lesnar are close to as over as The Warrior, Hogan, or Rock was when they fought their respective matches. Thats insulting to think otherwise. The Taker/Lesnar matches were failures for Unforgiven and No Mercy, why should they be redone for Wrestlemania? The Hell in a Cell match was passable, only because of Lesnar's bad ass kickery. But both faces? Fuuuuuck that. Taker as champion? Fuuuuuck that. Where did I say Taker/Lesnar = Rock/Hogan/Warrior as far as wrestling goes? I'm saying the BOOKING STYLE. How they hit the spots just at the right moment to make the crowd pop, and the viewers at home to really get in the match. Taker/Lesnar was a failure at Unforgiven because there was so much bullshit going into the match because of the finish.....and No Mercy wasn't a failure, it was a great brawl and Taker did the right thing and put over Brock clean. And Taker being champion is probably not going to happen...I was just giving an alternative. I still don't follow how the Undertaker/Lesnar rematch can be anything at all? I don't see how in ANYWAY it ever deserved to be compared to the first Hogan/Rock & Hogan/Warrior matches. The Lesnar/Undertaker matches never had great heat that made their matches memorable. The other matches were considered great because the fans were drawn into the story. The Lesnar/Taker feud was a failure, and shuld never be revisited. I don't care that the Undertaker put Brock over. The HIAC was a decent match, but nowhere near being a classic or even a classic match for casual fans. It was just.....there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I still don't follow how the Undertaker/Lesnar rematch can be anything at all? They did the mutual respect bit the SD after No Mercy...and Lesnar SORT of defended the honor of Taker by feuding with Big Show. And they foreshadowed it at the end of the Rumble with Lesnar/Taker as the last 2 and the mutual respect at the end. I don't see how in ANYWAY it ever deserved to be compared to the first Hogan/Rock & Hogan/Warrior matches. The Lesnar/Undertaker matches never had great heat that made their matches memorable. The other matches were considered great because the fans were drawn into the story. That's because they weren't booked like Rock/Hogan I and Warrior/Hogan. I'm just saying it's possible to book a bad match very descriptive and it comes out good. If Lesnar/Taker is booked properly, both guys could tell a good story in the ring making a good match. The Lesnar/Taker feud was a failure I agree. Paul Heyman brining out some bimbo claiming she slept with the Undertaker...yeah, that was retarded. Very retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ronixis Report post Posted March 5, 2003 This now sucks. What to do? Three Things: -Brock Vs Tourney Winner. (Most likely Benoit) -They make a "Blockbuster" trade- Undertaker, Albert, Jones, Rickisi(sp) and O'Hare for The Womens Division, RVD, H-Cane, and Jericho (after Wreslemania) This will round out the Crusier Division, The Womens Division gets the added Boost from Torrie- and Possibly Gail Kim (when ever she comes) RVD can fued with Rhyno- then Benoit, then Lesnar for the First or Second Smackdown PPV main event, or A SummerSlam spot. We kill 10 flies with one stone. This way they can get a chance for the young stars to jump up. And what is this Tajri tragady somebody stated here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Everybody is worried about having a heel face Brock for the title...but why not let Benoit face Brock in a "respect" like match? I mean, shit, it couldn't hurt... Thats what I say they do at this point. I wish Benoit could at least have a quick match with Angle, but I don't think thats possible even. There could be still I suppose, it would kill Angle's heat but hey, he's going to be out for a year now, so whatever. But if I had a choice I'd have Angle say he wants one more match with Benoit before he takes on Lesnar as he's in some super-confident mode. Anyway Benoit beats Angle really fast basically and we go to Lesnar v. Benoit at Mania. I'd have Benoit actually beat Lesnar at Mania and keep a title chase for Lesnar going. Build to a rematch at Backlash, Lesnar again loses when Benoit turns heel. Save their next match for SummerSlam......Benoit keeps the title til then where Lesnar finally gets it back. Both Benoit and Lesnar go off in seperate feuds from May until Summerslam basically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 As soon as this injury happened they should have thought Benoit. He got a standing ovation at Rumble...his tag partner for the proposed Mania match (Edge) got hurt...he has been was in the main SD! match at No Way Out (Hell...he won the match) and his "dream to be WWE champion" would only be better used for WrestleMania. Not to mention that Angle is a WORKER and Benoit is also...which is something none of the other options can lay claim to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 As soon as this injury happened they should have thought Benoit. He got a standing ovation at Rumble...his tag partner for the proposed Mania match (Edge) got hurt...he has been was in the main SD! match at No Way Out (Hell...he won the match) and his "dream to be WWE champion" would only be better used for WrestleMania. Not to mention that Angle is a WORKER and Benoit is also...which is something none of the other options can lay claim to. I agree..........although I wish he would go into Mania as champ (like I said, quick win over Angle in a shocker this week on Smackdown), I could still live with Benoit and Lesnar both being booked into the match as wanting that "dream" to happen. The fact is that they have built Benoit up in the last 4-5 months as chasing that belt as much if not more than Lesnar has, and the announcers have even gone out to say that they feel he WILL be champ some day. So you have a situation here where you could have both in similar situations leading up to a match with them at Mania, which from an interest perspective (even if you aren't a smark) is a pretty damn solid story there. Plus from the workrate perspective, this is the best replacement possible, really. The only other option I could live with is Lesnar v. Goldberg really. AND DEFINATELY NOT Taker/Lesnar, ugh. There is no story to be told there anymore. Taker put him over at No Mercy and at the Rumble. Its done and over with, nothing more to it. Theres no story to go with any further, much like how they decided to go with HHH/HBK at the Dec. ppv. It just wasn't needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Who the hell would Benoit face from April(or May) to keep him occupied til SummerSlam if you want him to win/retain at WM? Outside of Taker and Brock, there are no more main eventers for SD unless you import RAW guys because both Cena and Rhyno are laughable midcard feuds at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Who the hell would Benoit face from April(or May) to keep him occupied til SummerSlam if you want him to win/retain at WM? Outside of Taker and Brock, there are no more main eventers for SD unless you import RAW guys because both Cena and Rhyno are laughable midcard feuds at best. Unless, I'm mistaken, there is Big Show and Taker for Benoit to go over. Sure, you can only do it ONCE, but meh. Have those two job to Benoit for an alloted two months so as you can build up some other main eventers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Another quick thought I have here, this seems to be another time and place where if they wanted to, another star could be made or elevated higher than they were planned to be for Mania. This makes me remember how Michaels was (apparently) injured leading to the plan of action being Bret-HBK at Mania 13. That didn't happen so their backup plan was Austin-Bret, and odviously that created a situation that moreless started (IMO) a major shift in the product with that match and the Austin deal. WE could see another blessing in disguise again if they go in the right direction with the loss of Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest C-Bacon Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Will there even be a WWE in a year's time? That's what im worrying about. I keep getting this vision of the company folding in September Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I don't see Big Show getting anywhere near the main event ever again since Taker's pretty much punking him out in most cases ever since Brock squashed him at the Rumble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Who the hell would Benoit face from April(or May) to keep him occupied til SummerSlam if you want him to win/retain at WM? Outside of Taker and Brock, there are no more main eventers for SD unless you import RAW guys because both Cena and Rhyno are laughable midcard feuds at best. You give two months to build up Cena and he could be taken a little more seriously by then, and you could pencil him in with the feud with Lesnar for the summer. As far as Benoit goes, you mentioned Rhyno and that could work, again with the proper buildup. If last weeks show was any indicator, Rhyno could be a major over babyface. Hell, you already have the seeds planted for a possible Rhyno-Benoit feud too even. As mentioned also, Taker could face Benoit in the summer as well. If worse came to worse also, bring in Austin from Raw after the Brock-Benoit program and Austin could feud with Benoit for the title in the summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 5, 2003 That's what im worrying about. I keep getting this vision of the company folding in September They got enough money to last until WM 20. If things get REALLY bad, they'll start going to smaller arenas and what have you. I was watching Best of Raw and during the Cactus Jack promo regarding Austin, I noticed the arena was rather small (there was no upper level to speak of.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 That's what im worrying about. I keep getting this vision of the company folding in September They got enough money to last until WM 20. If things get REALLY bad, they'll start going to smaller arenas and what have you. I was watching Best of Raw and during the Cactus Jack promo regarding Austin, I noticed the arena was rather small (there was no upper level to speak of.) They got enough to even last past Mania XX. Their company gross is something like 325 million. Yeah if worse came to worse they would just go back to smaller arenas. Hell they used to do Raws in fucking high school gyms on a few occasions even in the mid 90s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest teke184 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 That's what im worrying about. I keep getting this vision of the company folding in September They got enough money to last until WM 20. If things get REALLY bad, they'll start going to smaller arenas and what have you. I was watching Best of Raw and during the Cactus Jack promo regarding Austin, I noticed the arena was rather small (there was no upper level to speak of.) They got enough to even last past Mania XX. Their company gross is something like 325 million. Yeah if worse came to worse they would just go back to smaller arenas. Hell they used to do Raws in fucking high school gyms on a few occasions even in the mid 90s. Their gross isn't what's at stake, their net profits are. They're losing money but they've got like $250 million in cash reserves. They can take WCW-like losses for several years before they'd be out of business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goar Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Two months ago: WrestleMania tickets on sale, first PPV in the Northwest, with a likely Angle/Lesnar main event. Now: no Kurt, probably Taker/Brock instead, Hogan/Vince, Austin/Rock again, and Limp Bizkit performing. Sucks to be me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted March 5, 2003 That's what im worrying about. I keep getting this vision of the company folding in September They got enough money to last until WM 20. If things get REALLY bad, they'll start going to smaller arenas and what have you. I was watching Best of Raw and during the Cactus Jack promo regarding Austin, I noticed the arena was rather small (there was no upper level to speak of.) They got enough to even last past Mania XX. Their company gross is something like 325 million. Yeah if worse came to worse they would just go back to smaller arenas. Hell they used to do Raws in fucking high school gyms on a few occasions even in the mid 90s. Their gross isn't what's at stake, their net profits are. They're losing money but they've got like $250 million in cash reserves. They can take WCW-like losses for several years before they'd be out of business. Thats what I meant, shouldnt have used the word "gross".....just typed too fast about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
