Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 His own fault? How the hell can you say that? It's Peca's fault that Tucker dove directly for the knees? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I've never bought the whole 'Toronto are cheap shot artists' story. Tucker hit Peca low. Did he have to hit him that low? No, of course not, but it was a clean hit by how the rules are (were?) stated. Peca should have known better then to stand around admiring his pass. It's the playoffs, you need to keep your head up and all times. It's not like the Islanders and Senators are completely innocent, themselves, either. Alfreddson's hit on Tucker in the playoffs last year was much worse than anything the Leafs did in either of their first 2 series, IMO, AND went without a penalty AND set up the game winning goal for Ottawa. INJUSTICE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted March 6, 2003 MLB - Yankees NFL - Steelers and Cowboys NCAA - Duke (Basketball) because everyone knows Duke Sucks and FSU (Football) because they cheat and shouldn't have won the ACC last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I've never bought the whole 'Toronto are cheap shot artists' story. Tucker hit Peca low. Did he have to hit him that low? No, of course not, but it was a clean hit by how the rules are (were?) stated. Peca should have known better then to stand around admiring his pass. It's the playoffs, you need to keep your head up and all times. It's not like the Islanders and Senators are completely innocent, themselves, either. Alfreddson's hit on Tucker in the playoffs last year was much worse than anything the Leafs did in either of their first 2 series, IMO, AND went without a penalty AND set up the game winning goal for Ottawa. INJUSTICE! Bullshit. If that Tucker hit was clean, the Alfie hit was too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted March 6, 2003 MLB - Yankees NFL - Cowboys, Eagles, Giants(in that order) NBA - Lakers NCAA BB - Entire ACC besides my fav team Maryland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 6, 2003 Tucker's wasn't from behind, Alfreddson's was. I've already admitted that Tucker didn't need to hit Peca so low, but there were no rules saying that he couldn't do that. Hitting from behind is a penalty and one of the dirtiest plays in hockey. It should be taken out of the game and Alfreddson should be hanged for what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted March 6, 2003 The big ones: Everything: UCLA- except my buddy John Sciarra, who should start @ qb, but the Bruins are idiots. Football: Florida St.- hate 'em with an undying passion; Nebraska- overjoyed that they now suck; and Michigan- although this hot chick I know goes there, could be a problem. NBA: Utah- Stockton, the dirtiest player in the game... and don't get me started on Malone; Sacramento- HATE them- though I respect Bibby & Peja, and wish Jackson was a Laker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 Tucker's hit was even worse because it was in the knees. There is no excuse for that shit in sports. Alfie's hit was just worsened by the fact that he scored the winning goal not a minute after laying Tucker out. He may have hit from behind, but IIRC, Tucker stumbled into the boards, effectively messing up his shoulder, so Alfie can't be blamed for that. Was it a clean hit? Maybe, but there was no call so let it go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I was just using it as a counterpoint to people complaining about Tucker's hit. I'd be more bitter about it if the Sens had gone on to win the series, but, well you know how that always turns out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 We'll see how it turns out this year, TC. If TO even makes it that far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 6, 2003 If they play in the playoffs again this year, it will make last year's Islanders series look like the 2001 Leafs/Sens series. You know, the one where the Leafs made the Sens their bitches and swept them out of the playoffs, despite the Sens dominating the season series. You remember that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 That's a pretty big "IF" though, TC. Are TO in line for home ice? I think they are in the lower seeds, which means that they'd have to play Ottawa at home first. Not to mention, TO would have to get through the first round, something they had trouble doing last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted March 6, 2003 That's a pretty big "IF" though, TC. Are TO in line for home ice? I think they are in the lower seeds, which means that they'd have to play Ottawa at home first. Not to mention, TO would have to get through the first round, something they had trouble doing last year. Ottawa's had home advantage before, and still lost. With Vaclav Varada and Nolan added to the mix, a Toronto-Ottawa series would be very volatile. And I think that MaxPower is saying that there won't be another T-Dot/Ottawa series since Ottawa is currently projected to play BOSTON in the first round... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I'm a B's fan, but they aren't beating Ottawa. Nobody will, unless it's Jersey v. Ottawa in the conference finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I'm a B's fan, but they aren't beating Ottawa. Nobody will, unless it's Jersey v. Ottawa in the conference finals. Dammit stop being realistic and start with the playoff posturing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted March 6, 2003 Oh, uh, Toronto's going down. Down, down, down. Ottawa's not going down. Down, down, down. And go Avs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bricks Report post Posted March 6, 2003 Why I hate the Leafs... I've come to accept that in today's world, athletes aren't exactly the most mature people in the world, but stuff like Cujo going psycho, throwing his helmet off and skating right into the ref just really turned me off. Then there was Pat Quinn swinging a stick at the Sens bench a couple days ago. Let's not forget Tie Domi's cheapshot on Neidermeyer a couple years ago. And on and on with the cheap stuff... It seems all hockey coverage starts off with them.. "Let's spend 10 minutes on Mikael Renberg's rash on his hand... and oh yeah, some teams faced each other and some of them won and some lost, now back to the hand..." It seems whenever they get eliminated from the playoffs we get "Oh, they worked hard. What a season. Let's be proud of them. Blah blah blah" instead of "Carolina (or New Jersey or whoever) deserve plenty of credit for playing great and eliminating the Leafs." They can't even win a Stanley Cup with more than 6 teams in the league. Their fans acted like sheep with Belfour, heck, even with Sundin too... "BOOOO!!! You suck! Wait, you're doing good now! YAY!!!" Their mascot is a bear... what the hell does that have to do with the Leafs? And well, you know the saying "There's two groups of people in Canada. Those who love the Leafs. And those who hate the Leafs". Well, I don't love the Leafs, so I'm automatically on the hate side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted March 6, 2003 NBA: Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons MLB: New York Yankees...Sox fan, nuff said NHL: Buffalo Sabres, Detroit Red Wings a little, Montreal Canadians NFL: Tampa Bay Bucs(Fuck you Sapp) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted March 6, 2003 I think I have stated in the past, but I have a hatred for the Toronto Maple Leafs that extends back to the point when I started to actually follow NHL hockey when I was 8 years old. Everything that came out of Toronto at that period in time lost. The Leafs, the Blue Jays, the Argos. The only way to feel good about being from Toronto was to look at the sports standings upside down, and pretend you were in first in everything. But thats not why I began to loathe Toronto. It was because no one else really seemed to be willing to admit that the Leafs sucked. 'But Ian Turnbull got 4 goals in a game! He's the next Bobby Orr.' Or, "Bill Derlago will turn this team around. We stole him from Vancouver. And we got Palmateer back." There was this refusal of Leafs fans to admit that they were a horrible team. And thus began the hatred I had for them, as I started following the burgeoning powerhouse from Alberta that nobody wanted to give any respect to. You know, that team lead by the underage kid from Brantford who was too skinny, too slow and not tough enough to amount to anything in the NHL. I loved the 1980s. If only the Norris division hadn't also been home to Detroit and Minnesota, the Leafs would have spent a decade at the bottom of their division. I loved reading about their draft day debacles. These were the names that Leafs faithful kept touting would lead them from the basement, and when they reached the NHL, it would be Stanley Cup time: Bob McGill, Fred Boimstruck, Gary Yaremchuk, Gary Nylund, Peter Ihnachak, Jeff Jackson. Leafs scouting meant watching whomever was playing the Marlies in Maple Leaf Gardens. Names for the ages were those prospects. I was saddened when Ballard died. Not only because he was a real character, but it meant that some kind of competency might end up running things in Toronto. I still hate them, but I take solace in the fact that they still don't seem to know how to put together a Stanely Cup winning team. They still refuse to admit they don't have a Cup quality blueline, and still pin all their hopes on Mats Sundin. If Sittler couldn't get you a Cup, then Sundin won't. They are the only team I really hate. I dislike the Habs, but I don't share the same joy watching them lose as I do the Leafs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D'Lo White Report post Posted March 6, 2003 MLB - Yankees and Braves (These two are my most hated in all sports.) NFL - Dolphins, Patriots, and Cowboys NHL - Islanders NBA - Heat and Pacers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest fairtoflair7 Report post Posted March 7, 2003 Hitting from behind is a penalty and one of the dirtiest plays in hockey. It should be taken out of the game and Alfreddson should be hanged for what he did. Ok, then if thats true, then what do you have to say about the Roberts hit on Jonsson? That gave Kenny another concussion.Roberts only got him 5 min w/NO suspension OR game misconduct. His hit was much worse then Alfedsson's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 7, 2003 Robert's hit wasn't that much worse than Alfreddson's, and Roberts was penalized for what he did, while Afreddson went and scored a goal seconds later. Part of me wants to believe that the hit on Tucker was not called because of who was on the recieving end. The rest of me hopes that the NHL referees aren't as spineless as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest teke184 Report post Posted March 7, 2003 NFL: Cowboys NBA: Da Bulls NHL: Red Wings (I'm an Avs fan) MLB: Yankees (The "The Yanks should win the Series due to 9/11" stuff pissed me off to no end after they'd won like 5 of 6 Series in a row) NCAA: Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, Kansas State I'm sure I'll add more later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crux Report post Posted March 7, 2003 MLB - NY Yankees NFL - Dallas Cowboys NBA - Lakers/Bulls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted March 7, 2003 Part of me wants to believe that the hit on Tucker was not called because of who was on the recieving end. The rest of me hopes that the NHL referees aren't as spineless as that. I wouldn't call that being spineless on the part of the refs. I would consider that the refs having a long memory. You don't think they don't remember Roberts, Domi, Tucker and Corson yapping all the way to the box, getting into their faces about every call? They don't remember Quinn yammering on from the bench about every single call that doesn't go their way. Or Quinn taking it out to the press after every game? Any anti-Leaf bias from the refs in the league is their own doing. Why is there not an anti-Senators bias? 'Cause they're all from Ottawa? No. Its because the Sens players, for the most part, keep their mouth shut and just take the calls. Jacques Martin isn't blaming every Sens loss under his tenure on the referees. If Quinn can't keep his own mouth shut, and along with his own, the guys on his team, then he shouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get borderline calls going his own way, and his guys don't get the benefit of the doubt. Or if blatant calls against his worst offenders get overlooked every once in awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 7, 2003 Referees should be unbiased. If you're letting your judgment be swayed by ANYTHING, whether it's relative to the game or not, then you should not be officiating in an important playoff game. Hey, I realize that Tucker has a reputation as a whiner, I'm not going to deny that and I wish he would shut his mouth every once in a while, but whether or not he voices his displeasure with calls should not mean that a blatant hit from behind against him that seperates his shoulder should go un-punished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted March 7, 2003 If you try and tell me any human can go into any situation with *no bias*, then you are kidding yourself. Until they get referee-bots, every call is a judgement call, really, and people who make life hell for refs won't get calls going their way. Thats just the way it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 7, 2003 I don't think it's too much to ask for the refs to check their egos and emotions at the door and make the right calls during the game. People don't pay money to go to the game and watch the ref exact some sort of revenge on the players they don't like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted March 7, 2003 NFL When I first started following football, my favourite team was the Steelers, so naturally I hate the Cowboys. NBA Avid fan of the Celtics from the start (even though I grew up in NJ), so my natural enemy is the Lakers. It could also be because it's hard to watch the games on TV, since their uniforms historically clashed with the bright parquet court. Other than that, I hate all the expansion teams, since they've watered down the star power of all the established teams, so you're left with only one or two "marquee" players on each team. So you have teams scrambling each year to trade players back and forth, so no players are allowed to gel together, negating the entire team concept of basketball, which has further made the game of basketball unwatchable. Oh, and I hate the Bulls. I think you know why… I don't follow hockey, I loathe baseball, and college sports teams are too numerous to follow. So that's it for me. Okay, maybe I hate North Carolina, since I like Duke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
