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[Guest The Hamburglar]

At present, Brock's heel character is more developed than his face character while Benoit's face character is more developed than his heel character. I'll agree with Brian that although I enjoy Brock's face character it is pretty one-note. Brock had already developed a more rounded heel character, a psychologically manipulative sadistic monster autonomous of Heyman and willing to play mindgames with his opponents. Benoit's current face character is the best he'll ever have, and despite losing to Angle he has real momentum, especially after crushing Team Angle as continually as Brock has. As it stands one of these two has to be a heel for the good of the show, and I think that Brock is more suited to the role at this point.

[Guest notJames]

It will probably be easier to segue Brock into the heel role if they play up Angle's injury and have Brock attack him mercilessly. Benoit has more of a mutual respect with Angle than with Brock, so him playing the hero would make more sense than having him play the antagonist.

 

It really depends on how Angle bows out.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Granted, Brock may be more well suited as a heel but if you turn him now, you're throwing away the title chase that's been building up since Survivor Series. At present time, fans are dying to see Brock Lesnar win the title. This moment should take place at WrestleMania. If you turn him heel, the fans aren't going to want him to win. You're essentially building up a WrestleMania main event in 2 weeks, with a brand new character. They shouldn't turn anyone, not until after Mania.

[Guest Brian]

But if Brock takes the title fiorst, then turns heel it could work out fine. That's why I'm for Taker, because Benoit should be sorta saved and untouched like they tried with Angle/Lesnar so that when Benoit starts getting in there, he's going to win.

[Guest Redhawk]

This is the simplest and most sensible way to go:

 

Angle comes out to the ring wearing a neck brace and all, and announces that he needs surgery and can't wrestle Brock at Wrestlemania. But since he's a man of Integrity, he will give up his title during his absence. Kurt will talk up the mystery recepient as a guy who he's feuded with for months, a great competitor, an amazing athlete, and so on. Then he calls out the new champion....Chris Benoit, who comes down the ring with a big ol' shit-eating grin on his face, and they do a big Mutual Admiration Society thing. Brock comes out, insanely pissed, and there is your Wrestlemania match.

 

So now Benoit is a heel, Brock is still the face, Angle doesn't look like an idiot, and Heyman isn't involved. Plus, Brock can still get his big babyface title win at 'Mania.

 

It makes sense that Benoit would accept a title like that, too. He's chased the gold for so long, why wouldn't he take this opportunity? And Angle and Benoit were a tag team once and should respect each other, so it's not like they HATE each other. And even if they do, they have some kind of connection, something that would want to make Kurt give him a title. Angle could talk about how he's proud the new champ is an actual wrestler, not some big ogre like Brock.

[Guest Brian]

Angle's going to look like an idiot if he just drops the title like that.

 

Benoit wouldn't take it because it's counter intuitive to the struggle that he's faced his whole career. He's earned everything, fought hard, worked his way up. That's the number one reason why I think if he's getting that big shot he should be winning.

[Guest Redhawk]

Angle's going to look like an idiot if he just drops the title like that.

 

Benoit wouldn't take it because it's counter intuitive to the struggle that he's faced his whole career. He's earned everything, fought hard, worked his way up. That's the number one reason why I think if he's getting that big shot he should be winning.

I know it goes against Benoit's character, which is why it would be the perfect way to turn him heel for 'Mania. And you could even turn him back into a babyface afterwards if you have him come out and say he realized that this wasn't the right way and he just got greedy. Then say he's going to start from the bottom and work his way to the title.

 

And Angle wouldn't look like an idiot. If he comes out wearing a neck brace and explains that he's injured, he obviously can't remain champ if he's gonna be gone for a year. He could even say that Stephanie told him he had to drop the title, but since they're friends (continuity!) he gets to pick who he drops it too.

[Guest Brian]

But the way they've handled Benoit's character, his first title reign as a heel just doesn't seem right. He should be the poor man's champ, the hard worker, the fighting champ.

 

Angle's going to look bad and chances are the crowd will shit on him, "what"ting every word.

[Guest Redhawk]

Angle's going to look bad and chances are the crowd will shit on him, "what"ting every word.

He's a heel, they're supposed to shit on him. And if you wanna turn Benoit heel, Angle can give him a good rub.

[Guest Brian]

Well he's going to look like shit that way too. Angle's got to save face, especially in Pittsburgh.

[Guest Redhawk]

Angle has been a heel for pretty much 3 years. Why does he have to save face anywhere? You can worry about turning him face one year from now if you want, but for now he SHOULD look like a heel, give Benoit the title, and have Benoit be a heel at least until WM.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Okay, try this.

 

Angle steps down and gives the championship to Benoit.

 

Lesnar comes out to protest, but at the same time Benoit refuses to accept being handed a belt like "other champions." Thus, they are concurrent #1 contenders, and will face off at WrestleMania. Problem solved.

[Guest Brian]

Except for Benoit loses in the pinnacle of his career.

 

See, that's where the problem lies. Brock can't lose because it's part of his chase. For Benoit, it's the pinnacle of his career and hard work. In fact, that makes handing him the title for his first reign so horrible.

 

And this all makes it worse on Angle, because he's been booked so horribly in this feud any neck injury is going to look like shit. Unless...

[Guest art_vandelay]

Okay, try this.

 

Angle steps down and gives the championship to Benoit.

 

Lesnar comes out to protest, but at the same time Benoit refuses to accept being handed a belt like "other champions." Thus, they are concurrent #1 contenders, and will face off at WrestleMania. Problem solved.

Yes. One of the many ways a face vs. face match can be set up.

 

But if Brock takes the title fiorst, then turns heel it could work out fine. That's why I'm for Taker, because Benoit should be sorta saved and untouched like they tried with Angle/Lesnar so that when Benoit starts getting in there, he's going to win.

 

If he wins the title on SD, the chase is over on SD. There goes the incentive to buy the PPV.

[Guest art_vandelay]

BTW, there's no way Chris Benoit should be accepting a title without putting up a fight. I don't care if he's turning heel, there can only be one moment in my life where I can mark out for Chris Benoit's first WWE title win. I won't let that be ruined by this.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

BTW, there's no way Chris Benoit should be accepting a title without putting up a fight.

Agreed. If Angle were to hand the belt to Benoit, he should just just step back so that Angle drops it on the mat, and Benoit refuses to take it. Then maybe Lesnar can offer to pick it up and accept it, and go from there.

[Guest Redhawk]

You all are acting like Benoit's never held the title belt before. Remember his program with The Rock in 2000 when he was a heel? Benoit won the title twice, only to have the decision reversed or whatever. So the "Oh shit! Benoit has the belt!" factor isn't THAT big of a deal, because we've seen it before. And if handing him the title now gets him to the Wrestlemania main event, can it be that bad?

[Guest RedJed]

You all are acting like Benoit's never held the title belt before. Remember his program with The Rock in 2000 when he was a heel? Benoit won the title twice, only to have the decision reversed or whatever. So the "Oh shit! Benoit has the belt!" factor isn't THAT big of a deal, because we've seen it before. And if handing him the title now gets him to the Wrestlemania main event, can it be that bad?

Those were false finishes, which essentially makes the chase and the title win even more important when/if it happens. Thats ridiculous to say the Benoit title chase is shit just becayse he was almost awarded the title two times already, and that was like almost 3 years ago when those occured

[Guest Brian]

Plus they were as a heel and his title chase wasn't treated in the same type of light.

[Guest RedJed]

Plus they were as a heel and his title chase wasn't treated in the same type of light.

Exactly.......hell there wasn't any title chase back then for Benoit AT ALL. He was just a heel opponent that never really was taken seriously as any threat at that point.

 

As a matter of fact, can you even really have a true title chase if you are a heel?

[Guest art_vandelay]

You all are acting like Benoit's never held the title belt before. Remember his program with The Rock in 2000 when he was a heel? Benoit won the title twice, only to have the decision reversed or whatever. So the "Oh shit! Benoit has the belt!" factor isn't THAT big of a deal, because we've seen it before. And if handing him the title now gets him to the Wrestlemania main event, can it be that bad?

 

And you're acting like the only way Benoit will main event is if he has the belt. Benoit doesn't have to have the title to be in the main event. That's like me saying to a girl, "If you have sex with me, I'll donate to a charity" and then when she declines, "But if having sex with me can help the poor, is it be that bad?"

[Guest Redhawk]

I know Benoit doesn't have to be the champ to be in the main event. But if they're saying they want to go with Benoit-Brock and have Benoit as the champ (in Keller's report), turning him heel would be the best way to do it.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Turning Brock heel will be a stupid idea.

[Guest jester]

Benoit refuses to accept being handed a belt like "other champions." .

I was about to say something snotty about Raw having a wrestler who has no problems with accepting belts he didn't earn, but you beat me too it