Guest Chuck Woolery Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Well, he was only in his sixth month of the business at that time, and in front of a live crowd, what would you have done? Uh, he was in OVW for quite a time and wrestled a lot of dark matches before coming onto television. This "six months" thing doesn't hold up.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Bob Holly got what was coming to him. HE DID NOT. Bob Holly is an asshole. However, Brocky could have put him in a wheelchair. Holly deserved to get his leg broken. He didn't deserve a broken neck. A-Train was an accident. Right. And I'm saying Brock better not be as sloppy with Kurt as he was with Albert. (And especally that he isn't as malicious as he was with Holly) I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. Albert was an accident just like Bob Holly getting hurt by Kurt was an accident. Neither guy has never injured someone
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. And the call ME cold hearted. So Holly deserved to get his neck broken an risk beng paralyzed. Okay then. What if for whatever reason Angle doesn't want to go along with a spot at Mania. Should Brock break his neck too? Albert was an accident That resulted from Brock's recent sloppiness. Which is very relevant when he's facing a guy who has a badly injured neck.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. And the call ME cold hearted. So Holly deserved to get his neck broken an risk beng paralyzed. Okay then. What if for whatever reason Angle doesn't want to go along with a spot at Mania. Should Brock break his neck too? Albert was an accident That resulted from Brock's recent sloppiness. Which is very relevant when he's facing a guy who has a badly injured neck. Yes he did. Holly tried to take liberties and be cute with Brock Lesnar whom he knew was an amateuer wrestling champion and not an experienced wrestler. He's a dumbass and paid the price for being stupid. Holly has been known for being a dick backstage and a stiff worker who can dish it out but cant take it. He finally got his karma. Oh and if Kurt Angle tries to get cute with Brock and do what Holly did then yea- Brock should punish him.
Guest Chuck Woolery Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. ...so you're glad Brock nearly fucking crippled Bob Holly because he didn't jump for Brock? Or because he hits hard to help the match look more real? Regal and Finlay do that and you mark for them, but Holly can't? Albert was an accident just like Bob Holly getting hurt by Kurt was an accident. Neither guy has never injured someone But every accident has to have a cause for it, and in this case the cause was Brock not being careful enough. In Angle injuring Holly, it was because Kurt misjudged the distance. Both could have been avoided, both weren't, therefore while they are accidents there is reason that AS is calling it sloppy work.
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. And the call ME cold hearted. So Holly deserved to get his neck broken an risk beng paralyzed. Okay then. What if for whatever reason Angle doesn't want to go along with a spot at Mania. Should Brock break his neck too? Albert was an accident That resulted from Brock's recent sloppiness. Which is very relevant when he's facing a guy who has a badly injured neck. Yes he did. Holly tried to take liberties and be cute with Brock Lesnar whom he knew was an amateuer wrestling champion and not an experienced wrestler. He's a dumbass and paid the price for being stupid. Holly has been known for being a dick backstage and a stiff worker who can dish it out but cant take it. He finally got his karma. Oh and if Kurt Angle tries to get cute with Brock and do what Holly did then yea- Brock should punish him. So...Because of something he did in a wrestling ring...you wanted him to spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair. Oh My God.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. ...so you're glad Brock nearly fucking crippled Bob Holly because he didn't jump for Brock? Or because he hits hard to help the match look more real? Regal and Finlay do that and you mark for them, but Holly can't? Albert was an accident just like Bob Holly getting hurt by Kurt was an accident. Neither guy has never injured someone But every accident has to have a cause for it, and in this case the cause was Brock not being careful enough. In Angle injuring Holly, it was because Kurt misjudged the distance. Both could have been avoided, both weren't, therefore while they are accidents there is reason that AS is calling it sloppy work. Yes I am. Regal doesn't even work that stiff unless he's someone and they understand the match will be stiff. (ie his work with Jericho and Benoit) You don't see him going out there and having a stiff match with say Bubba Dudley. Regal is a legit tough bad ass who can back it up. Ditto Finlay. Bob Holly has proven that when he tries to be Mr. Macho Tough Man HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW? it blows up in his face. Bob Holly got what he deserved- He tried to be cute and paid the price for it. If one day Regal tried to get cute with Brock and Brock did the same thing- I'd be upset but it'd be Regal's fault. Angle injured Holly. Lesnar injured A-Train. Benoit injured Sabu- people make mistakes. Obviously Angle trusts Lesnar or else he wouldn't get in the ring with him
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 You still haven't explained why it's okay to purposely try and cripple a guy for something he does in a fake sport.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I personally think he did get what was coming to him and am glad Brock sent a message to him. And the call ME cold hearted. So Holly deserved to get his neck broken an risk beng paralyzed. Okay then. What if for whatever reason Angle doesn't want to go along with a spot at Mania. Should Brock break his neck too? Albert was an accident That resulted from Brock's recent sloppiness. Which is very relevant when he's facing a guy who has a badly injured neck. Yes he did. Holly tried to take liberties and be cute with Brock Lesnar whom he knew was an amateuer wrestling champion and not an experienced wrestler. He's a dumbass and paid the price for being stupid. Holly has been known for being a dick backstage and a stiff worker who can dish it out but cant take it. He finally got his karma. Oh and if Kurt Angle tries to get cute with Brock and do what Holly did then yea- Brock should punish him. So...Because of something he did in a wrestling ring...you wanted him to spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair. Oh My God. I don't wish paralyzation on the guy but it's his own fault he got hurt and the fact that he is out for a year is completely his fault. He had to know the consequences of what he was doing and if he didn't he's dumber then he's thought. Karma is a bitch eh Bob?
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 You still haven't explained why it's okay to purposely try and cripple a guy for something he does in a fake sport. Because Bob Holly knew what he was doing when he was doing it so he should accept the consequences of his actions.
Guest Chuck Woolery Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I don't wish paralyzation on the guy but it's his own fault he got hurt and the fact that he is out for a year is completely his fault. He had to know the consequences of what he was doing and if he didn't he's dumber then he's thought. Karma is a bitch eh Bob? Right... he had to know that Brock Lesnar was going to snap on him and try to spike his head through the mat. While I'm sure he didn't expect it, the fact of the matter is while Holly took some minor liberties with Brock... Brock powerbombed him right on his fucking head. On purpose. So Holly's a whining bitch who tries to be tough - doesn't matter. There's no need to try to kill him in the ring, and there's no need to try to paralyze him in the ring.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 We don't know if Brock tried to powerbomb him or kill him though. I don't think Brock did the wrong thing at all- he was standing up for himself and showing Holly who the boss was
Guest Banky Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Bob Holly was sand bagging on Brock, Lesnar didn't mean to cripple him - but what else could he do? I'm glad it happened to Holly. He's made a living out of being a prick to people. Couldn't have happened to a better guy.
Guest DrTom Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 I'm with Bob Barron and Banky on this one. Holly tries to act like Barney Badass with people, and he tried it on the wrong guy. I guess he's used to beating up untrained kids on MTV shows. Holly stiffed and refused to sell for a legit amateur wrestling champion, someone who could pull his arms off and flog him with them if he got mad enough. Holly was a prick, and a stupid prick at that, and I think he got what he deserved. Call me a bastard if you feel you must.
Guest Brian Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Not only that, but Holly had sandbagged on him the whole match and made Brock do all the grunt work.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 How is the Brock-Holly incident any different to Angle deliberately hitting extra-high angle German suplexes on RVD because RVD was sandbagging him? Same possible outcome, its just that Rob happens to have a flexible neck.
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Bob Holly was sand bagging on Brock, Lesnar didn't mean to cripple him - but what else could he do? I'm glad it happened to Holly. He's made a living out of being a prick to people. Couldn't have happened to a better guy. Oh, if it absoutly had to happen to anyone, Holly is my pick. Holly deserved to have his leg smashed into 80 pieces in that match. BUT NOTHING, NOTHING that happens in a wrestling ring justifies purposely trying to put someone in a wheelchair for life.
Guest Banky Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Bob Holly was sand bagging on Brock, Lesnar didn't mean to cripple him - but what else could he do? I'm glad it happened to Holly. He's made a living out of being a prick to people. Couldn't have happened to a better guy. Oh, if it absoutly had to happen to anyone, Holly is my pick. Holly deserved to have his leg smashed into 80 pieces in that match. BUT NOTHING, NOTHING that happens in a wrestling ring justifies purposely trying to put someone in a wheelchair for life. He didn't necessarily try to paralyze him, but what else could he do? Keep holding him up? He had to put him down somehow. Holly refused to put his back parallel to the mat, and he got dropped on his head. I don't know what else could be done???
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 He didn't necessarily try to paralyze him, The way he drove him down, he was trying to break the neck. And what do you associate with broken neck's a good deal of the time? Holly refused to put his back parallel to the mat, and he got dropped on his head. I don't know what else could be done??? I don't know. I probably would have let him down in a way that doesn't scream "fucked up spot" And then destroyed his ankle. There were other solutions.
Guest Banky Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 He didn't necessarily try to paralyze him, The way he drove him down, he was trying to break the neck. And what do you associate with broken neck's a good deal of the time? Holly refused to put his back parallel to the mat, and he got dropped on his head. I don't know what else could be done??? I don't know. I probably would have let him down in a way that doesn't scream "fucked up spot" And then destroyed his ankle. There were other solutions. The match has to continue. Brock would get major heat in the locker for simply putting him down. he honestly had no other alternative. Holly put HIMSELF in that position, I feel no remorse for the guy. Even if Lesnar crushed his neck on purpose, I don't care. He didn't paralyze him, so its hard to feel sympathy. What Holly does, and how he treats people is ridiculous. karma bit that bitch in the ass.
Guest bob_barron Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 How is the Brock-Holly incident any different to Angle deliberately hitting extra-high angle German suplexes on RVD because RVD was sandbagging him? Same possible outcome, its just that Rob happens to have a flexible neck. I remember one of those matches (I think on SD!) Angle was giving German Suplexes that looked to REALLY hurt. This was when RVD busted him open and Angle's wife was complaining and all that.
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 The match has to continue. Brock would get major heat in the locker for simply putting him down Brock wouldn't get heat for raping Linda McMahon. Holly probably would have taken all the heat for putting Brock in that position. Whatever. What's done is done. We can't change it now.
Guest Banky Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 The match has to continue. Brock would get major heat in the locker for simply putting him down Brock wouldn't get heat for raping Linda McMahon. Holly probably would have taken all the heat for putting Brock in that position. Whatever. What's done is done. We can't change it now. At that juncture in his career, the WWE would have questioned is drive if he just gave up on a match. What happened was ALL Holly's fault, I fail to see how Brock can get blamed at all.
Guest Anglesault Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 At that juncture in his career, he was still barely over and getting a huge push. Nothing was being questioned as it regards to Brock And Holly caused it. I'm not fond of Brock's sollution.
Guest The Hamburglar Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 So I take it you were very annoyed back in 2001 when Angle was giving RVD the stiff Germans? After all, we have first-hand evidence that German suplexes can put people in real bad shape. Were you fond of that solution to RVD's sloppiness? RVD wasn't even being a dick, it was just his natural lack of timing.
Guest Brian Posted March 15, 2003 Report Posted March 15, 2003 Holly didn't gho up, Brock was putting him down hard, Bob didn't get a good angle on the drop. That's all there is to it.
Guest Anglesault Posted March 15, 2003 Report Posted March 15, 2003 Holly didn't gho up, Brock was putting him down hard, Bob didn't get a good angle on the drop. That's all there is to it. And you know what, if it was an accident, I really wouldn't have that much of a problem (Except that I'd probably be terrified for Angle in that match) But from the day it happened, people have been celebrating that Brock tried to break his neck. So I take it you were very annoyed back in 2001 when Angle was giving RVD the stiff Germans? After all, we have first-hand evidence that German suplexes can put people in real bad shape. Were you fond of that solution to RVD's sloppiness? RVD wasn't even being a dick, it was just his natural lack of timing. That whole mess of a situation was bizarre. I personally don't recall/Didn't find anything overly stiff about the Germans. But like I said, nothing that someone does in a ring justifies a concentrated attack on someone's neck. That should be off limits to any petty revenge attack. Of course, Angle obviously didn't injure RVD. Brock hurt Holly. For whatever reason that may be, that's the truth.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted March 15, 2003 Report Posted March 15, 2003 I don't think Brock meant to hurt Holly. Oh, and I wish RVD had given Angle's wife a kick in the mouth to shut her up
Guest saturnmark4life Posted March 15, 2003 Report Posted March 15, 2003 I cannot believe you morons are actually speculating that brock lesnar attempted, deliberately, to kill Bob Holly with a powerbomb.
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