Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial

[Guest Anglesault]

As much as I agree this is really stupid and these people should be punished. AS, remember there IS an 8th Ammendment, so we can't be that bad. So the worst that can happen is a fine.

Me bashing their heads in with a baseball bat is me exercising MY free speech. It's abstract art.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Devil's advocate here:

 

If I was heading up a government deal pushing for war. I wouldn't mind having something happen to discredit the people who pushed for peace. Find a poster for something people love, bust it up, put a Bob Dylan cover around, nobody will be the wiser!

 

But, I will state that there is no real proof to what I just said, unless you believe in the Cointelpro-esque stuff. I was just playing devil's advocate here.

 

Do they have any pictures of the people suspected of doing this?

[Guest JMA]

Me bashing their heads in with a baseball bat is me exercising MY free speech. It's abstract art.

It's also assault and battery.

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

Most likely, these were Rebels without a Cause (or, if you prefer, I'll paraphrase lyrics to a Tom Petty song and say "rebels without a clue").

 

Much like the mongoloid idiots who have ruined mosh pits since they became "above ground" and mainstream ["hey, cool, I get to beat people up! Durr hur! Maybe I'll grope that chick trying to bodysurf, too! Huh huh, huh huh, cool..."] It's people who aren't into the movement at all or who are superficial members joining up because they've gotten the idea that "it's the cool thing to do" and, being deliberately ignorant of the issues, culture, and context of ANYTHING they're involved with, just use it as an excuse to act like idiots, with neither thought nor care of who they harm or who they make look bad.

 

"Let's go break stuff, dur hur hur!" It's the same sort of idiots who went to Woodstock 1999 and set fire to stuff.

 

Either that or Cointelpro's been revived. I mean, this is so over the top stupid and offensive an act that seems so destined to make any "cause" the perpetrators might endorse look bad, one almost has to wonder if that wasn't the intention. Maybe some good-hearted patriots channeling the spirit of those fine Americans who smashed tea chests in Boston Harbor (while making sure to make themselves up to look like "some of those dirty injuns" beforehand), decided it was their patriotic duty to show how unpatriotic those anti-war people are by masquerading as them and doing something "those anti-war faggots probably would've eventually done anyway."

 

Now I can't actually prove this suggestion of mine (and it's probably not really the case), but it's still something worth considering. After all, this incident makes such great PR against the anti-war cause, especially when the "responsible journalists" of our nation assert these assclowns to be representative of the anti-war movement in general, either overtly or implicitly (by giving this story as much or more coverage relative to the peacable, legal demonstrations that are popping up all over the place.)

[Guest Anglesault]

Me bashing their heads in with a baseball bat is me exercising MY free speech. It's abstract art.

It's also assault and battery.

Nah. Cruelty to Animals, perhaps.

 

And get me a good fuck of a lawyer, and it could be twisted into a ham and cheese sandwich.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Whoever would do such an idiotic thing is in the minority of WHATEVER group they represent. The fact is, you can't keep idiots from signing up to join most groups, no matter what they are, so they slip in through the cracks, that's life. However the question is, will journalism be responsible and represent this incident for what it was, (a few idiots destroying property) or will it turn into a huge piece on "why anti-war folks should be deported"

[Guest JMA]

Yeah. This whole thing will be spun against ALL anti-war people. It sucks, but that is what will happen.

[Guest Anglesault]

I wonder if Ms. Janeane Groffolo will think this was "hip"

[Guest NoCalMike]

I wonde is Ms. Janeane Grofofofloeoe will think his as "hip"

ermm, I hope you are kidding. She doesn't really come off as the violent type. I am sure she would call this small group of hoodlums idiots.

[Guest RepoMan]

On FoxNews, they just said that the police just stood there watching them do these things, saying they were just displaying their rights, just like the people who put up the display and memorial

It's sounds like some agitators did this to discredit the anti-war movement to me base on that.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Seriously though, this isn't cool. 9/11 isn't related to the War at all, so why should a monument to the innocent and the dead be tampered with? Respect the dead.

 

 

Because George W. Bush has been trying to convince everyone that this is no different from the War in Afhganistan. He feels this is all one big "War on Terror".

 

Guess what? It's not.

 

This is a war on Islamic countries we don't like who we know we can beat quickly and easily.

 

This was disgraceful and awful, but in some ways it all leads back to one man: George W. Bush.

 

A man who has FAILED in every single aspect of his presedency thus far.

 

A man who is proposed furthur budget cuts to an already weak economey with war on the horizon.

 

The man who has MADE this about 9/11, and made 9/11 a target to these people.

[Guest JMA]

Because George W. Bush has been trying to convince everyone that this is no different from the War in Afhganistan. He feels this is all one big "War on Terror".

 

Guess what? It's not.

 

This is a war on Islamic countries we don't like who we know we can beat quickly and easily.

 

This was disgraceful and awful, but in some ways it all leads back to one man: George W. Bush.

 

A man who has FAILED in every single aspect of his presedency thus far.

 

A man who is proposed furthur budget cuts to an already weak economey with war on the horizon.

 

The man who has MADE this about 9/11, and made 9/11 a target to these people.

::claps::

[Guest treble charged]

Man, half your posts are 'I agree' or '*claps*' or something along those lines. Why even post if you have nothing to add to the thread and the discussion?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

AS, I sympathize with you. Don't think for a moment I don't. My best friends lost parents in 9/11.

 

 

But this wasn't about 9/11 till Bush made it about 9/11. You want vengeance?

 

You talk to that guy with the bad suit who's having trouble swallowing the pretzel.

[Guest bob_barron]

Man, half your posts are 'I agree' or '*claps*' or something along those lines. Why even post if you have nothing to add to the thread and the discussion?

 

I agree

[Guest Kingpk]

But this wasn't about 9/11 till Bush made it about 9/11. You want vengeance?

 

You talk to that guy with the bad suit who's having trouble swallowing the pretzel.

Hey, pretzel jokes about Bush, that's original.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

I do agree with peace advocates, but most of these anti "war" protesters are just anti-american government protesters that have an excuse to protest. And if we do attack Iraq it would not be a war, it would be a presidential order to attack, sorry that's just one of my pet peeves.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

But this wasn't about 9/11 till Bush made it about 9/11. You want vengeance?

 

You talk to that guy with the bad suit who's having trouble swallowing the pretzel.

Hey, pretzel jokes about Bush, that's original.

How about you debate the point instead getting pissy about a wisecrack?

 

If you don't have anything to add; don't post in the thread.

[Guest bob_barron]

Yea but your stupid Bush jokes take away from your overall post.

 

Just state your point and be done with it

[Guest JMA]

Man, half your posts are 'I agree' or '*claps*' or something along those lines. Why even post if you have nothing to add to the thread and the discussion?

Because I'm bored.

[Guest JMA]

I think pretty much everything that can be said about this situation has been said already.

 

Extremist=bad

 

This will hurt the anti-war movement.

 

This will be spun AGAINST the anti-war movement.

 

Bush won't be swayed from his descision no matter what.

 

We're all screwed.

[Guest Powerplay]

We're all screwed.

Um... may I be the first to ask what you mean by that? You don't honestly think that the war in Iraq is going to turn global, do you?

[Guest JMA]

Um... may I be the first to ask what you mean by that? You don't honestly think that the war in Iraq is going to turn global, do you?

No. Iraq is nothing compared to the US and its allies. The war will be over fast. I meant we're screwed with Bush as the President.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

It's going to become a holy war... no matter how you spin it.

 

That will turn global.

[Guest Austin3164life]

It's too bad things like this happen. Protesting is fine, but come on, you shouldn't tear down any kind of memorial, be it American or not. That's just plain vandalism. People don't even know how to express themselves anymore. Sad.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well war or no war, we are still screwed with the shitty economy we are sitting in right now. Now suppose we go to war, that usually means the economy gets worse, and with Bush still thinking we can afford tax cuts while spending all these billions to fight "terrorism" oh boy, it is gonna get ugly. There better be opposition in 2004, and not chicken-shit democrats that are there right now.

[Guest DrTom]

And I thought they finally banned flag burning a few years ago?

I don't think that's ever happened. Burning the flag, while unpopular for reasons I completely understand, is a protected form of free expression and will remain as such. Defacing a monument and engaging in public vandalism, however, are much different issues.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Well war or no war, we are still screwed with the shitty economy we are sitting in right now. Now suppose we go to war, that usually means the economy gets worse, and with Bush still thinking we can afford tax cuts while spending all these billions to fight "terrorism" oh boy, it is gonna get ugly. There better be opposition in 2004, and not chicken-shit democrats that are there right now.

Historically, war helps the economy.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

hahaha. Cool

 

EDIT: I do not agree with crime. But the officers said there was no crime, so.. *shrug*

 

 

EDIT 2:

 

Historically, war helps the economy.

 

Wha? Even in the Civilization computer game, war hurts the economy. War doesn't help the economy, especially when it's used as a diversionary tactic.

 

EDIT 3: I read that harder now. I thought it was a pro-war memorial, not a 9/11 memorial. I hereby recant my statement. Not cool or

[Guest DrTom]

Because George W. Bush has been trying to convince everyone that this is no different from the War in Afhganistan. He feels this is all one big "War on Terror".

 

Guess what? It's not.

 

This is a war on Islamic countries we don't like who we know we can beat quickly and easily.

... who all happen to engage in or expressly support anti-American terrorism. Their extremist governments, empowered by an inflexible religion, have brought whatever happens on their own heads. And as for them being countries "we know we can beat quickly and easily," there's no country in the world that's even within a decade of us when it comes to military technology. It's hardly our fault they decided to crash airplanes into our buildings and murder 3000 of our people. Fairness is unattainable and undesireable in war.

 

A man who has FAILED in every single aspect of his presedency thus far.

Elaborate on that one.

 

A man who is proposed furthur budget cuts to an already weak economey with war on the horizon.

If spending can be trimmed somewhere, why not do it? Hell, think about this on a common sense level: if the economy is weak, are you just going to spend, spend, spend, or are you going to try and be more frugal? This economic downturn was entirely expected, since there were gobs of billion-dollar corporations out there who were built with Monopoly money and never did one thing to earn a cent. It's not Bush's fault the dot-bomb era came to an abrupt end... an end which began under Bill Clinton, since you obviously want to politicize this.

 

The man who has MADE this about 9/11, and made 9/11 a target to these people.

September 11th bloody well SHOULD be a threat to our enemies. To not seek justice and yes, even revenge, is a disservice to those who died.