the wwe injury curse continues

[Guest BoboBrazil]

PWTorch.com has learned that Billy Kidman suffered an injury tonight in Pittsburgh in his match while executing his Shooting Star Press on Charlie Haas. His feet caught the ropes while in mid-air and ended up falling toward the mat head-first, so he used one of his arms to protect himself. That caused his shoulder to get jarred badly. He is going to see a specialist in Pittsburgh tomorrow morning, a specialist who is known for working with the Pittsburgh Steelers. There is no word on how serious the injury is or how much ring time he'll miss.

 

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[Guest Downhome]

Just watch, they'll make him stop doing the SSP now, and take away his one main source for being over.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Yeah. I was there and mentioned it in my Notes thread. Shame that this has hit several of the good workers on SD. Kidman wasn't quite as good as the SD6 but could put on some good matches.

 

It was his shoulder, though--could have been worse, of course.

[Guest Coffey]

You remember when WCW tried to get Kidman over? He had to fight Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn and a mystery opponent in a cage?

 

Yeah, well in the Malenko match, if your feet touched the floor you lost. Malenko forgot and rolled out of the ring to gather himself withing the first few minutes...so Charles Robinson had to end the match.

 

The Saturn match was hardcore I believe...and not memorable.

 

The cage match mystery opponent was The Wall.

 

Needless to say, WCW spent an entire PPV trying to get over one superstar and failed.

Kidman ain't shit.

[Guest Mole]

Man, WWE is just cursed with this shit.

[Guest art_vandelay]

If they make Kidman stop doing the SSP, I wouldn't blame them. It's only a matter of time before he Hayabusa's it.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Anyone want to start a pool on who gets injured next? 2:1 odds on Steiner!

[Guest AndrewTS]

If they make Kidman stop doing the SSP, I wouldn't blame them. It's only a matter of time before he Hayabusa's it.

It was a Lionsault that ended Hayabusa's career.

 

Although I did see on an FMW DVD he did a SEVERELY FUCKED UP one where he practically landed on his face on his opponent and I thought for sure that would kill some one. Yet he was fine at the time he was talking about it.

 

I think it was the SSP before he went to using the 450 more often.

 

The SSP is a very dangerous move...but without it, Kidman's nothing.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Anyone want to start a pool on who gets injured next? 2:1 odds on Steiner!

Most of the time the shitty workers stay healthy just to spite us.

 

Okay, maybe it is changing with Orton and Batista...but still...

[Guest WukenBloodstar]

I doubt Kidman could botch the SSP like Hayabusa did, 'Busa use to leap, Kidman doesn't, he just..falls off the top rope. Should teach him to use the move right, but nobody can botch a move like Test..I don't think with the Roll The Dice/Last Rites you suppose to spike the oppoent's head into the match. I got $10 on Steiner.

[Guest Army Eye]

Yeah, well in the Malenko match, if your feet touched the floor you lost. Malenko forgot and rolled out of the ring to gather himself withing the first few minutes...so Charles Robinson had to end the match.

bahahaha.. that match was so funny

[Guest art_vandelay]

Although I did see on an FMW DVD he did a SEVERELY FUCKED UP one where he practically landed on his face on his opponent and I thought for sure that would kill some one. Yet he was fine at the time he was talking about it.

This is what I was referring to. And I hope that you don't think ANYONE could be as lucky as Hayabusa again.

 

I doubt Kidman could botch the SSP like Hayabusa did, 'Busa use to leap, Kidman doesn't, he just..falls off the top rope. Should teach him to use the move right, but nobody can botch a move like Test..

 

When Kidman fucks it up, he falls to the side and catches his feet on the top rope. He always does it. The thing about this move is, there's no "right" way to do it that will guarantee the wrestler from being injured.

[Guest RedJed]

Well Kidman has hurt others and himself with that move, even years later from when he first would regularly use it, so I think its safe to say he should probably stop using it from now on. He's just not crisp enough with it, and has never been.

[Guest WukenBloodstar]

I always saw Kidman's SSP to be sloppy looking compared to those of Liger and Hayabusa..then again..look who I'm comparing his SSP too.

[Guest treble charged]

Could one of the problems with Kidman's SSP be the ropes? In WCW, the ring was better suited to cruisers because they were tighter and allowed the wrestlers to get better footing on them. The WWE rings have ropes that are smaller and looser, which probably make it harder for wrestlers to get a good footing on before they jump.

[Guest bravesfan]

Could one of the problems with Kidman's SSP be the ropes? In WCW, the ring was better suited to cruisers because they were tighter and allowed the wrestlers to get better footing on them. The WWE rings have ropes that are smaller and looser, which probably make it harder for wrestlers to get a good footing on before they jump.

 

Well, some of Jericho's botched lionsaults were directly because of the ropes being too loose to spring off of; either that or his footing sucked, or it's attrbuted to the lifts in his shoes.

[Guest RedJed]

Could one of the problems with Kidman's SSP be the ropes? In WCW, the ring was better suited to cruisers because they were tighter and allowed the wrestlers to get better footing on them. The WWE rings have ropes that are smaller and looser, which probably make it harder for wrestlers to get a good footing on before they jump.

I remember him fucking the move up a few times in WCW too though (I think at Starrcade 97 or 98 he really botched it when trying it outside of the ring from the top rope).......I think he just sucks at executing it generally.

[Guest geniusMoment]

Mero never screwed it up, even though he sucked.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Mero never screwed it up, even though he sucked.

Mero didn't use it in almost every one of his matches. Neither did Hayabusa or Lyger, for that matter.

[Guest Goodear]

Mero wasn't that bad until his knee got royally messed up. Don't let Mick Foley fool you.

[Guest Space_Cowboy]

I'm surprised he's gone this long in the WWE without screwing the SSP up too much, there was a time in WCW where Kidman was fucking up the SSP just about every time he tried it, it was only a matter of time before he screwed it up again.

[Guest crandamaniac]

Could one of the problems with Kidman's SSP be the ropes? In WCW, the ring was better suited to cruisers because they were tighter and allowed the wrestlers to get better footing on them. The WWE rings have ropes that are smaller and looser, which probably make it harder for wrestlers to get a good footing on before they jump.

I remember him a few times messing it up in WCW. He was wrestling Regal on Nitro. He went for the SSP, basically just jumped in the air and flipped, got no forward momentum, and landed on his head.

 

Also, during Fall Brawl '99, he did the SSP on Vampiro. Instead of hitting chest to chest, he hit knee to face with it, and I think he broke Vampiro's nose with it.

 

He's not that good with it, and should probably look to develop a different move that would better suit him. Look at Foley. He realized he wouldn't be around much longer if he kept giving elbows from the apron, so he started using the Double Arm DDT and the Mandible claw, so i'm sure Kidman can come up with something else that will still make the crowd pop, and keep him and his opponent from getting injured

[Guest Anglesault]

You remember when WCW tried to get Kidman over? He had to fight Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn and a mystery opponent in a cage?

 

Yeah, well in the Malenko match, if your feet touched the floor you lost. Malenko forgot and rolled out of the ring to gather himself withing the first few minutes...so Charles Robinson had to end the match.

 

The Saturn match was hardcore I believe...and not memorable.

 

The cage match mystery opponent was The Wall.

 

Needless to say, WCW spent an entire PPV trying to get over one superstar and failed.

Kidman ain't shit.

That's not really fair. That was PPV IS CONCUSSION~! and everything got fucked up. It was supposed to be Jarrett and Benoit in those three matches and Kidman doing whatever while Hart faced Sid in the main.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

*sighs* And yet another injury bites WWE. Sucks that Kidman messed up, but as it's been said, he really isn't that great at the SSP. Not very many can do it, so I'll at least give him credit for using it all this time.

 

If I had to lay money on who's next I'd not say Steiner. The guy doesn't do ANYTHING to get injuried.

 

Personally my money would go to Cena getting injuried, just because he's getting over, a huge push, and getting a feud against Brock Lesnar (later or sooner). That's usually who's been getting injuried these days.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

I remember him a few times messing it up in WCW. He was wrestling Regal on Nitro. He went for the SSP, basically just jumped in the air and flipped, got no forward momentum, and landed on his head.

Actually, he caught his feet on the ropes with that one, too.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Anyone want to start a pool on who gets injured next? 2:1 odds on Steiner!

Hard to get injured when all you get is a backstage vignette and you aren't even allowed to speak. Though I'm not complaining!

[Guest Youth N Asia]

The way things are going WWE is going to have to kill the roster split out of injuries. The workers are dropping left and right.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

You remember when WCW tried to get Kidman over? He had to fight Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn and a mystery opponent in a cage?

 

Yeah, well in the Malenko match, if your feet touched the floor you lost. Malenko forgot and rolled out of the ring to gather himself withing the first few minutes...so Charles Robinson had to end the match.

 

The Saturn match was hardcore I believe...and not memorable.

 

The cage match mystery opponent was The Wall.

 

Needless to say, WCW spent an entire PPV trying to get over one superstar and failed.

Kidman ain't shit.

That's not really fair. That was PPV IS CONCUSSION~! and everything got fucked up. It was supposed to be Jarrett and Benoit in those three matches and Kidman doing whatever while Hart faced Sid in the main.

Kidman being placed in those matches at Souled Out was really last minute, because of WCW trying to cover their ass, what with Bret dropping the title and Kevin Sullivan coming into power.

 

I doubt they went in to that night or a couple days before with the express purpose of getting Kidman over. But because Kidman had a recent story with Saturn and Malenko (Revolution v. Filthy Animals), they decided to renew the rivalry (that is, until Saturn, Malenko, Guerrero and Benoit jumped ship the next night).

 

And to be fair, Kidman was over in WCW from '98-early '00, at least much more than he is now. Then after Souled Out, Kidman went on to do a whole lot of nothing before feuding with Hogan, which effectively killed him dead.

 

About Kidman's botched SSP's. I remember on Nitro, probably in '99, when Bischoff was sitting ringside and had to cover for Kidman who got his feet caught in the ropes and came down on his head. His botches have to do with ring positioning. The prone opponent is always laid right in the corner, with Kidman having no room to flip.

[Guest starvenger]

Mero never screwed it up, even though he sucked.

Mero's Shooting Star was a little different, though. Where Kidman does a full layout on it Mero tucked in a bit - kinda like a diver - and then laid out at the end.

 

If you watched Velocity last week you'd have seen Kidman's knee almost crush in Shannon Moore's face with the SSP.

[Guest humongous2002]

Just watch, they'll make him stop doing the SSP now, and take away his one main source for being over.

Kidman is over??Overated.