Israel's Broke

[Guest MD2020]

And also, you want justice for Danny Faulkner? Do something about Arnold Beverly, who CONFESSED to killing Faulkner that night in 81.

 

 

Yes--Beverly confessed; it's good to know that Faulkner isn't a racist cop, as the Mumia had been saying for years, but rather a noble policeman working to uncover corruption before being cut down in a mob hit.

 

Unfortunately, Beverly's version of events is in stark contrast to every other witness at the scene.

 

I won't get into this here, as it is off topic--I was commeting on kkk's avatar--but if you would like to discuss, just make a thread and I'll be more than happy to stop in.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Israel wants peace, the Arab world wants Israel gone. There's no way around it...

While a large percentage of Israelis just want peace and don't give a damn about manifest destiny, a number of people think that the land belongs to Jews and must be settled somehow. They are a very powerful group and happen to be the ones in charge right now. It does not seem likely to many that they would ever give up the gains they had in The West Bank and Gaza Strip if the Barak plan happened.

 

Those in Israel who wish the occupied lands to become part of Israel would be more likely to try to find some way to leverage the remaining settlements for even more land, as opposed to finding a more equitable and liveable arraingement at a later date.

 

There cannot be peace when there are political forces in Israel that believe it is Israel's religious destiny to occupy those lands. So the occupation will only continue.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Why not -- we've spent $10 billion on worse...

Because 10 billion here may not seem like a lot, but if this administration continues to be spendthrift on foreign policy and BLATANTLY IGNORE the sagging economy, then we'll be wishing for it back.

 

 

I say Bush begins to spend less on milatary funding, and begins some humantitarian aid at HOME. Perhaps universal healthcare, or a way to allievate the enormous debt senoirs are paying to get medicine.

I LOVE this mentality.

 

Let's let the GOVERNMENT run health care --- the same gov't that is, apparently, inept and run by monkeys --- judging by most people's views. So, let's give 1/7 of our economy to THEM to run. God knows the post office isn't rife with inefficiency --- we can only imagine the success of HOSPITALS run the same way.

 

And we gripe about deficits --- but want the gov't to provide prescription drugs to the elderly? Does anybody have any idea how obscenely expensive that will be --- heck, there are complaints that Medicare costs us MANY, MANY times more than it was "supposed" to when it was first proposed --- this will take these evil deficits and smack them around.

 

But, hey, we can always cut the military --- you know, the one function of the gov't actually specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

-=Mike --- Who feels bad for the elderly an the expense of drugs --- but we cannot afford it

[Guest TheMikeSC]

2. Israeli nationals have mistreated the Palestinans who live there since the birth of their state, when some people here act like they've been fighting the good fight... it makes me sick quite frankly.

It boils down to the fact that what the Palestinians do (Homicide bombings) is cowardly, disgusting and deplorable. No matter what the Israelis do, it will always appear to be prevoked. Maybe if the cowards would cut their shit, we'd see once and for all who the Israelis are.

Do you mean "Suicide Bombings?"

 

 

If you lived without clean water, without medicine, without adequete shelter or a say in your own goverment, you'd start fighting too. (see: The Irish, The Jews in the Old Testament)

 

As far as I'm concerned the Isreali Army are the real cowards. They must find it tough to fight off those kids with stones. Oh wait... I forgot... they have tanks!

 

Maybe they should reread some passages in Exodus regarding the treatment of "Alien nations within Israel".

Let's not glamorize them by calling them "suicide bombings". Kamikaze maybe --- but not suicide.

 

Israel wouldn't do one thing to Palestinians --- if the Palestinians STOPPED blowing up innocent Israeli civilians constantly. Israel WANTED peace and was willing to give Palestine almost everything they requested --- and Palestine turned it down.

 

Thus, they shafted themselves and sympathy is in REAL short order.

 

"Oh, but the Israelis are better armed"? Well, no joke --- why in the heck constantly provoke them then? Why in the heck attack constantly --- are they supposed to NEVE fight back? Israel is the only good country in that hellhole and we should support them to the very end.

 

I mean, if I walked up and started slapping Lennox Lewis in the face a few times, would I not DESERVE a roal BUTT-kicking at his hands?

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

...'Cause they happen to be in the region and not Islamic?

 

Personally, I would like to take each Israeli and exile them to random areas of the western world, then return their territory to the Arabs. Seriously... the Holocaust is long dead and the Israelis are the center of Middle Eastern hatred.

Ah, so screw the Israelis because they're Jewish.

 

Yup, THAT is humanity.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I think if Arafat stopped being an assclown and they were actually serious about peace then hopefully something will happen.

 

No offence taken Zsasz.

With all due respect, Barron. Sharon is a war-monger, plain-and-simple. I think there needs to be a change of leadership at BOTH ends of the table before peace can come.

 

 

Why not exile the Palestinians? Why do they deserve the land more than the Jews?

 

Because they lived on the land since the Romans kicked the Jews out. They've lived much longer than the Jews have there. A small piece was only given to Israel to provent the Holocaust from ever happening again.

 

It's their land, plain and simple.

And why is Israel larger now?

 

Yup, they were attacked and WON and took the land of the defeated parties.

 

Israel is the innocent bystander in all of this.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Because they lived on the land since the Romans kicked the Jews out. They've lived much longer than the Jews have there. A small piece was only given to Israel to provent the Holocaust from ever happening again.

 

It's their land, plain and simple.

Three wars since then have changed that drastically. Israel fought off Egypt and Seria and Jordan and whoever the hell else and won. To the victors go the spoils, to the Israelis go the land. t's no longer the Arab's lands. They lost it.

Well the I guess it was okay for Saddam to take Kuwait over, right?

 

That may well be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. By accepting that, you open a Pandora's box of diplomacy that I don't even want to think about.

Well, if Kuwait ATTACKED Iraq, then he'd have had a leg to stand on.

 

But, they didn't and he doesn't.

 

If somebody ATTACKS and LOSES --- they SHOULD be punished for their idiocy.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

 

I really think Israel should give up Jerusalem and 45% of the land. Then Israel still has more than enough land, and it has the very strong city of Tel Aviv.

The Jews want Jerusalem too. How do you just give it away? Isn't that an enormous sticking point here?

Which is why if they give it up, they would be in a much better position to dictate the terms of how the land is split up. Because they were willing to make that sacrifice, (which is only symbolic anyway, the country is run in Tel Aviv) the PLO would lose all of it's bargaining power because it would look bad to the worldwide community. Right now, the European press loves the Palestinians, almost pirtraying it as... *ahem* David and Goliath. With unprecedented cooperation, Israel could disspell any critics.

 

 

See, how it works AS?

Sure it could work. And I would like to see it, if only to see anti-Semetic Europe react to that.

 

Do I think it will happen? No.

 

Do i think it honestly should? No. I don't want the precedent to be set that blowing yourself up and killing civilians will get you whatever you want.

So all Palestinians should pay for the actions of a few?

 

You guys are the most judgemental bunch of people I've ever met.

It's unfortunate --- but yes, until bombers stop attacking, ALL Palestinians will have to suffer.

 

That's what happens when your "army" is too cowardly to distinguish themselves from the civilians.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Why don't they need it?! They LIVE THERE. If I evicted you from your house because "your neighbors want you out because you're Jewish", what would YOU say?

What if I kicked my neighbors out of the house first-off and the police was on my side when the neighbors made threats toward me, just because they judged the former residents to be bad people when they weren't?

 

I'd like to hear how you think this anti-western terrorism is going to actually end.

I seriously doubt the anti-Western terrorism will end without a seriously bloody battle.

 

I don't like it --- but Islamo-fascists aren't exactly known for diplomatic prowess.

 

Please keep in mind --- there is not ONE Islamofacist country (any country that is run by the Muslim church and has NO secular gov't whatsoever) that has EVER been able to exist peacefully next to a non-Islamofacist country.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the problems are caused BY THE MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.

-=Mike --- Nah, that's probably too obvious

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

That's what happens when your "army" is too cowardly to distinguish themselves from the civilians.

-=Mike

Their army IS the civilians. Their conditions are too poor to have an army or police. Most of the attacking is from civiilians who are tired of getting shit on.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Sure it could work. And I would like to see it, if only to see anti-Semetic Europe react to that.

See, there will always be certain people in the region who hate them, but that's what happens when you have a consolation-prize country in a part of the world that fucking hates you.

 

The Palestinians are not allowed anything in the way of economy.

No offense, but if Palestine was given economic autonomy, they'd fall so far behind Israel it'd be laughable.

 

Islamofacist states have this idiotic love affair with command economies and they have proceeded to create economies that, without oil, export less than Greenland.

 

They had best hope and pray that we can never figure out fuel cell technology --- or that we never get to drill for oil in ANWR.

 

Without oil, the Islamofacists have REAL problems.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

That's what happens when your "army" is too cowardly to distinguish themselves from the civilians.

                -=Mike

Their army IS the civilians. Their conditions are too poor to have an army or police. Most of the attacking is from civiilians who are tired of getting shit on.

If the PLO is going to condone and encourage their "civilians" to commit bombings --- then how in the heck is Israel supposed to know who are the "innocent civilians" and who are the bombers waiting to happen?

 

They're not mind-readers.

-=Mike

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

No offense, but if Palestine was given economic autonomy, they'd fall so far behind Israel it'd be laughable.

You missed the point.

 

The aid money Israel receives is used to defend against the kamikaze Palestinians, true. But he aid money the army uses also directly contributes to their increased odds of getting blown up. It is wildly unrealistic to pretend that current Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories is not a contributor to violence against Israeli citizens.

 

Sure, some of them will always be trying to kill them. Again, that's what happens when you're in a region that hates you. If the United States were smack-dab with the Koreas and China, our homeland would be subject to more violence as well.

 

Still, if the Palestinians feel that they are being treated fairly more often than not, over time, as they develop an economy and keep their young men employed, they will clamp down on the militants. If there was anything I learned in Sociology, it is that economic factors drive social change.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

No offense, but if Palestine was given economic autonomy, they'd fall so far behind Israel it'd be laughable.

You missed the point.

 

The aid money Israel receives is used to defend against the kamikaze Palestinians, true. But he aid money the army uses also directly contributes to their increased odds of getting blown up. It is wildly unrealistic to pretend that current Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories is not a contributor to violence against Israeli citizens.

 

Sure, some of them will always be trying to kill them. Again, that's what happens when you're in a region that hates you. If the United States were smack-dab with the Koreas and China, our homeland would be subject to more violence as well.

 

Still, if the Palestinians feel that they are being treated fairly more often than not, over time, as they develop an economy and keep their young men employed, they will clamp down on the militants. If there was anything I learned in Sociology, it is that economic factors drive social change.

And I respectfully disagree.

 

Let's say Palestine is given economic autonomy. Their economy will become just as weak as the rest of the Middle East --- and that is pretty darned weak.

 

They will see Israel --- whose economy, weak as it is now, is still worlds better than anybody else in the region.

 

They will wonder why Israel is doing better than they are. They will ignore the obvious (command economies do not and have never worked) and come up with other convoluted theories.

 

They will become progressively more bitter as their economic situations become worse and worse --- no matter what Israel may or may not for them.

 

They will eventually resort to attacking because "Israel is starving our children". And the violence will begin all anew.

 

Does Israel's actions lead to violence? I honestly have to say no. No matter WHAT they do, their mere EXISTENCE is enough justification for some to attack. They can do EVERYTHING the Arabs claim they want them to do and the Arabs will STILL hate them.

 

Trying to please the Islamofacists is an epic waste of time and resources for Israel. Perez and Barak tried to do what they said needed to be done for peace and it got Israel nowhere.

 

Israel IS smack-dab in a region where everybody wants them dead --- and that is a reason why I completely support our support for them. They are the one democracy in that area and they treat Palestinians in their land FAR BETTER than Islamofacists treat ANY non-Muslims in their countries.

 

You are working with the assumption that Palestinians will EVER feel that Israel is being "fair" to them. I don't believe that they ever will believe that.

-=Mike

[Guest Vyce]

...'Cause they happen to be in the region and not Islamic?

 

Personally, I would like to take each Israeli and exile them to random areas of the western world, then return their territory to the Arabs. Seriously... the Holocaust is long dead and the Israelis are the center of Middle Eastern hatred.

Ah, so screw the Israelis because they're Jewish.

 

Yup, THAT is humanity.

-=Mike

I'm shell-shocked at the attitudes of some of the people here, Mike.

 

I won't throw out the term "anti-semitic", because it's very harsh. But it's a label which I've been thinking applies to at least one here.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

...'Cause they happen to be in the region and not Islamic?

 

Personally, I would like to take each Israeli and exile them to random areas of the western world, then return their territory to the Arabs. Seriously... the Holocaust is long dead and the Israelis are the center of Middle Eastern hatred.

Ah, so screw the Israelis because they're Jewish.

 

Yup, THAT is humanity.

-=Mike

I'm shell-shocked at the attitudes of some of the people here, Mike.

 

I won't throw out the term "anti-semitic", because it's very harsh. But it's a label which I've been thinking applies to at least one here.

I agree here. People seem to completely blind to the fact that the "resolutions" Israel has ignored were because they took land FROM PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED THEM. It's like they expect Israel to say "Well, yes, you attacked us and tried to kill all of us --- but hey, no hard feelings" and just give them land back?

 

Israel is the ONLY democracy there. They treat non-Jews INFINITELY better than ANY Islamofacist regime treats non-Muslims. They do not blindly attack ANYBODY. They can annihilate EVERY country in that region and, yet, do not do so. Does anybody, for one moment, think that if an Islamofacist state had the chance to annihilate Israel that they wouldn't do it immediately?

 

The left has a tendency to anti-Semitism that I don't get. Europe is laden with it and I've seen almost NO person who supports Palestine who is NOT a raging anti-Semite.

 

And I'm a Christian, so it's not like I have a personal vested interest in Judaism. But, Israel is getting dumped on internationally and it does offend me greatly.

 

And, you may wish to refrain, but the initial poster of that led to this reply IS an anti-Semite. Plain and simple.

-=Mike --- who feels little restraint. :-)

[Guest The Hamburglar]

The left has a tendency to anti-Semitism that I don't get. Europe is laden with it and I've seen almost NO person who supports Palestine who is NOT a raging anti-Semite.

Europe is infinitely more anti-Muslim than it is anti-semitic. Sad to say, but the Holocaust was horrifically efficient enough to render widespread anti-semitism in Europe rather pointless. There aren't that many Jews in Europe, but there are millions of North African Muslim immigrants pouring into the continent. Hence the hostility is directed to the larger ethnic group. All far-right successes in Europe(BNP, Le Pen, Haider) have come off the back of anti-immigrant feelings within the disadvantaged indigenous population. Never understood why people forget the shift in European ethnic tensions since the Second World War.

[Guest Powerplay]

The left has a tendency to anti-Semitism that I don't get. Europe is laden with it and I've seen almost NO person who supports Palestine who is NOT a raging anti-Semite.

Europe is infinitely more anti-Muslim than it is anti-semitic. Sad to say, but the Holocaust was horrifically efficient enough to render widespread anti-semitism in Europe rather pointless. There aren't that many Jews in Europe, but there are millions of North African Muslim immigrants pouring into the continent. Hence the hostility is directed to the larger ethnic group. All far-right successes in Europe(BNP, Le Pen, Haider) have come off the back of anti-immigrant feelings within the disadvantaged indigenous population. Never understood why people forget the shift in European ethnic tensions since the Second World War.

That's not true at all. On whole most European nations support the Arab world than Israel. Look at France nominating an Anti-Semite for PM, and them giving Iraq a nuclear reactor back in 1975. Anti-Semitism is still widespread in Europe, but now it's just covered up much better.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

That's not true at all. On whole most European nations support the Arab world than Israel. Look at France nominating an Anti-Semite for PM, and them giving Iraq a nuclear reactor back in 1975. Anti-Semitism is still widespread in Europe, but now it's just covered up much better.

France nominating an anti-semite for PM? I assume you mean Le Pen? This is exactly the misunderstanding I'm talking about. Le Pen got nominated for two reasons - 1, the French were protesting at the appalling ineptitude of their mainstream politicians and 2, Le Pen was running on a hardline anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim vote. Christ, the man said that he would destroy every mosque in France. You fail to grasp the situation by associating foreign policy with the general European sentiments. Even the supposed anti-Israel stuff is dodgy seeing as Britain and France merrily collaborated with the Israelis in bombing Egypt back in the fifties. Its much, much more difficult to live as a Muslim/Arab in Europe than it is to live as a Jew. Anti-semitism is merely part of the lunatic fringe these days. Anti-Muslim behaviour can be seen every day on the streets. France in particular has massive problems with its North African population.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Israel's actions lead to violence? I honestly have to say no. No matter WHAT they do, their mere EXISTENCE is enough justification for some to attack. They can do EVERYTHING the Arabs claim they want them to do and the Arabs will STILL hate them.

And this justifies the current government how? If anything it is worse, because it indicates that the government is on a downward trajectory. They've been emboldened by our money and our weaponry.

 

And I think there needs to be SOME kind of reaction for selling the weaponry we gave them to the Chinese. I'd like to tell Sharon to fix this problem, but I'm afraid his reaction would be to scorch the occupied territories.

 

You're saying this is an arguement between two religions that want each other dead, and the violence won't stop until something gives. That brings us *all the way around* to square one, which is, I don't want my taxdollars supporting a religious conflict.

[Guest Vyce]

The left has a tendency to anti-Semitism that I don't get. Europe is laden with it and I've seen almost NO person who supports Palestine who is NOT a raging anti-Semite.

Europe is infinitely more anti-Muslim than it is anti-semitic. Sad to say, but the Holocaust was horrifically efficient enough to render widespread anti-semitism in Europe rather pointless. There aren't that many Jews in Europe, but there are millions of North African Muslim immigrants pouring into the continent. Hence the hostility is directed to the larger ethnic group. All far-right successes in Europe(BNP, Le Pen, Haider) have come off the back of anti-immigrant feelings within the disadvantaged indigenous population. Never understood why people forget the shift in European ethnic tensions since the Second World War.

That's not true at all. On whole most European nations support the Arab world than Israel. Look at France nominating an Anti-Semite for PM, and them giving Iraq a nuclear reactor back in 1975. Anti-Semitism is still widespread in Europe, but now it's just covered up much better.

Anti-Semitism is on the RISE, specifically BECAUSE of those Muslim minorities, who are now emerging as a small, but growing, minority population that more and more European politicians are catering too.

[Guest B-X]

Anti-Semitism is on the RISE, specifically BECAUSE of those Muslim minorities, who are now emerging as a small, but growing, minority population that more and more European politicians are catering too.

 

Show me some solid proof to support this. And don't tell me you can't. We're riding on the Information Superhighway~! Surely, you'll find something in support of this theory.

[Guest Powerplay]

Anti-Semitism is on the RISE, specifically BECAUSE of those Muslim minorities, who are now emerging as a small, but growing, minority population that more and more European politicians are catering too.

 

Show me some solid proof to support this. And don't tell me you can't. We're riding on the Information Superhighway~! Surely, you'll find something in support of this theory.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=29841

 

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/2...tism/story.html

 

http://wordofmessiah.org/france_antisemitism.htm

 

http://www.ou.org/public/actionalerts/2002/betty7.htm

 

http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,...,651628,00.html

 

There's just a few.

[Guest B-X]

Not the Anti-semitism part (I can understand that) but where is the proof that the politicians are catering to them.

[Guest Powerplay]

Well, Hamburgler should look at those links as well. It proves him wrong on a lot of things.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

The left has a tendency to anti-Semitism that I don't get. Europe is laden with it and I've seen almost NO person who supports Palestine who is NOT a raging anti-Semite.

Europe is infinitely more anti-Muslim than it is anti-semitic. Sad to say, but the Holocaust was horrifically efficient enough to render widespread anti-semitism in Europe rather pointless. There aren't that many Jews in Europe, but there are millions of North African Muslim immigrants pouring into the continent. Hence the hostility is directed to the larger ethnic group. All far-right successes in Europe(BNP, Le Pen, Haider) have come off the back of anti-immigrant feelings within the disadvantaged indigenous population. Never understood why people forget the shift in European ethnic tensions since the Second World War.

France, I know, has dealt with a wave of synagogue attacks and the like for a few years now. Anti-semitism is HUGE in France and it's rising all over Europe --- likely because there jusrt aren't many Jews left and, well, the leftist European states tend to hate anything with a tiny tie to America.

 

And anti-Muslim sentiment is still verboten in Europe. Heck, saying that it might not be a bad idea to control their immigration into Europe got Pim Fortuyn shot last year.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Israel's actions lead to violence? I honestly have to say no. No matter WHAT they do, their mere EXISTENCE is enough justification for some to attack. They can do EVERYTHING the Arabs claim they want them to do and the Arabs will STILL hate them.

And this justifies the current government how? If anything it is worse, because it indicates that the government is on a downward trajectory. They've been emboldened by our money and our weaponry.

 

And I think there needs to be SOME kind of reaction for selling the weaponry we gave them to the Chinese. I'd like to tell Sharon to fix this problem, but I'm afraid his reaction would be to scorch the occupied territories.

 

You're saying this is an arguement between two religions that want each other dead, and the violence won't stop until something gives. That brings us *all the way around* to square one, which is, I don't want my taxdollars supporting a religious conflict.

1) The current government has seen what happens when they try to appease the terrorists. They took Arafat at his word and saw what it got them. So, they decided to put ALL of their efforts into protecting themselves and punishing --- harshly --- any group that feels its worth their while to attack. It is not great --- but I can hardly blame Israel for any of this.

 

2) We REALLY can't criticize ANYBODY for selling sensitive technology to the Chinese since Clinton did that to a ridiculous extreme.

 

3) We're supporting the good guys in the fight.

 

I'll just pose a little hypothetical:

 

Nobody denies that Israel could conquer any country in the Middle East. They simply choose not to.

 

What if one of the Islamofacist regimes could annihilate Israel?

 

Does anybody think that they'd hesitate to do so?

 

There is a world of moral difference between Israel and the Islamofacists.

-=Mike

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Well, Hamburgler should look at those links as well. It proves him wrong on a lot of things.

I don't see how. The articles seem to specifically state that there has been a substantial rise in both anti-semitic and anti-muslim behaviour, with the vast majority of anti-semitic activity coming from the new North African population. Hardly proof that anti-semitism is anywhere near European mainstream politics or a serious influence on foreign policy towards Israel. Ethnic tensions as a whole are rising in Europe, its by no means specific to Jews. Muslims, Eastern Europeans, Asians...the whole continent is simmering towards boiling point. You are of course always going to get anti-semitism on the lunatic fringe(as well as some rather ignorant comparisons made by the left) but by and large it is the anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant sentiment that is creeping into mainstream politics. Jean-Marie Le Pen's previous comments on Jews and the Holocaust aren't what got him nominated for French PM, it was his scaremongering tactics regarding the 5 million Muslims in France. I suppose what I am trying to say is that there are certain viewpoints in the US that paint Europe as this centre of virulent anti-semitism much as it was in the past. From the evidence that is presented to me, this does not appear to be so, with anti-semitism very low-key within the indigenous European populations, certainly not at a level of alarming concern. The muslim anti-semitism is of course the product of the Middle East tensions and the general backward nature of Islam as a whole, which will in time lead to more problems for the immigrant Muslim populations of Europe, and not as some are suggesting high-level influence in European governments. I would be greatly interested to see how many Muslim MPs there are in the various European parliaments.

[Guest Anorak]

Immigration has easily been the the most contentious and volitile race issue in Europe for many years now. The vast waves of economic migrants coming into Europe has got so out of hand that many ordinary people are beginning to feel overwhelmed and resentful towards the situation. As another person who actually lives in Europe and resides in a very multi-cultural region I can back up Hamburgler 100% that anti-Muslim feeling and fears/resentment over immigration is far more prevalent than anti-Semitism.

 

I won't bother talking about the Israeli/Palestine situation because I would probably be labelled an anti-Semite.