Would it be so bad if the WWE died ?

[syxx2001 0]

the independents are simply a place to make a name for yourself, not to thrive as a "star".

 

Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, Low Ki. 3 men who have been contacted by the WWF and not signed. Low Ki because he refuses to tone down his stiff style. Styles because they insulted him with the small contract and it wasn't enough to move his family. And Daniels, they are just stupid not to sign him.

 

So basically, some would rather thrive as a star in the indys, just like underground artists would rather have, as rappers say, street credibility than be the popular guy doing Disney commercials. And another reason why Low Ki probably won't sign with the WWE is because he said it himself, he is a wrestler and has no intentions of being a sports entertainer. And by that I mean, or he means, chasing a dog that some chick tells you to hold while you get your ass kicked at a PPV. Or jumping onto a casket while a police officer drives off in the hearse. Or fucking manniquiens, the possibilities are endless.

[King Cucaracha 0]

If the WWE went under...how many guys do you actually expect to go into the indies? Japan...maybe. NWA:TNA...possibly. the indies don't pay as well as WWE, most will lose the will to wrestle because of poorer payoffs and more critical fans. Also, what do the indie guys have to aspire to? They all have the possible dream of one day maybe making it to the WWE. Maybe not ALL I understand, but most. And how are these feds supposed to support all these WWE guys. If they had the budget for WWE guys, wouldn't they try and sign some now? Hell yeah...but they haven't.

 

Secondly...the WWE isn't the be all and end all of wrestling, but it made wrestling mainstream. Like him or not, without Vince McMahon we wouldn't have Wrestlemania. We wouldn't have the good stuff we have now like competitive matches on T.V, we'd have a mountain of squashes. Vince put on the first PPV's. Without WWE wrestling would have never made it here to us in Britain.

 

And if WWE does go under, what are us Brits gonna get? We only get WWE programming. No TNA, no Japan or Mexican wrestling, no indies. Nothing. All we'd get are the indies...territroies are Ok for you Americans, you can see the shows. Here in Britain...Australia too...if WWE is gone so is wrestling.

 

 

I hope WWE doesn't go under...it shouldn't do. Not for a while. I've grown up with WCW, WWE and eventually ECW. WCW and ECW have gone...for WWE to go, then a piece of history has gone. No matter how 'badly WWE treats us', if the WWE dies then we'll all be lost in some way. WWE dying would be a BAD thing to me...and you'd eventually get over I guess, but not for a long while.

 

And could you imagine Stephanie using her millions to create her own fed...AAAAAHHH!!!

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

The onyl problem, as you said, is that if his shareholders and sponsers lose all faith and bail, leaving him alone with no sponsers, no shareholders, and a small audience. Only at that point, I think, would the WWF actually cease operations.

That's not quite how it works. Linda said in her last interview that the WWE wasn't interested in using their cash to buy back shares, so shareholders can only unload stock on each other. Vince structured things so that the McMahons can't ever lose control of the company unless he sells his shares or gives them to somebody. The outstanding shares could conceivably wind up being worth only pennies, but that won't effect the money the WWE already raised when they sold them in the IPO. It would effect McMahon's worth in that the shares he held would be worth less, but that was always just paper anyway.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Without WWE wrestling would have never made it here to us in Britain.

 

And if WWE does go under, what are us Brits gonna get? We only get WWE programming. No TNA, no Japan or Mexican wrestling, no indies. Nothing. All we'd get are the indies...territroies are Ok for you Americans, you can see the shows. Here in Britain...Australia too...if WWE is gone so is wrestling.

Rick rudo guy argued alot of points that I might have made and without me being tempted to insult people. The guy claiming I can't comment as I don't have 500 posts though. You can piss off, sorry I have a life and don't spend it all on this messageboard.

 

 

 

Dude above. WWf didn't make wrestling in the UK. It used to be primetime on ITV here for decades. Guys like Dynamite Kid, Steve Regal, Mark Rocco, Fit Finley, Danny Boy Collins, Davey Boy Smith, Kendo Nagasaki..... were household names here. It wasent all Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy. British wrestling's great workers influence is still being felt in the US and Japan today.

 

 

If the WWE TV died here. I would figure that FWA or Hammerlock would get a TV deal. And in the UK its even easier to get tapes than the US due to postal distances not being very far. Guys like simania.co.uk do deals 4 tapes for £20. Dealers like him and pickstar.co.uk get tapes out and to you in three days.

 

Its cheap and easy for anyone to buy tapes of the Indies, Japan, Mexico, Europe anywhere in the world now due to the net. If your not willing to invest any money into wrestling buying tapes or going to shows if the WWE went out of business you don't sound like much of a wrestling fan to me at all.

[Guest bravesfan]

RRR, I at least want to hear you elaborate on your argument about this:

 

The WWE is a flower that has dried up the wrestling industries earth - a re-start would help create new fertile ground.

 

As much as you think the WWE's death will somehow "freshen" up the wrestling scene, it will do anything but that. Can you imagine how many wrestlers in the independent scene will either leave wrestling altogether, or leave North America for a much more "stable" (and I use that term loosely) scene in Asia?

 

NWA:TNA already has a good number of workers contractually obligated to Zero-One or some other promotion. How many wrestlers are even contractually tied down to TNA in written contracts? The TNA appearances are only to boost their stock in terms of name value, possibly landing a comfortable position within the WWE.

 

You would NEVER hear that with WCW, when in direct competition with McMahon. Turner had the checkbook and job security to keep talent happy, which is why the entire pro wrestling business thrived THEN and is crapping out NOW.

[Guest bravesfan]

So basically, some would rather thrive as a star in the indys, just like underground artists would rather have, as rappers say, street credibility than be the popular guy doing Disney commercials.

 

Yet, all of them want their "big break". In basketball, the "And-1" Mixtape Tour is simply to get the big names noticed by the NBA. In music, the underground scene is opened up by "mixtapes" provided by semi-famous disc jockeys pimping a new talent.

 

It's not a matter of whether they want a spot in the big promotions. It's a matter of when the major promotion wants THEM. You conform your ideas and morals around your financial security and there are MILLIONS of examples of that happening.

 

And another reason why Low Ki probably won't sign with the WWE is because he said it himself, he is a wrestler and has no intentions of being a sports entertainer. And by that I mean, or he means, chasing a dog that some chick tells you to hold while you get your ass kicked at a PPV. Or jumping onto a casket while a police officer drives off in the hearse. Or fucking manniquiens, the possibilities are endless.

 

Well, he's already been on a PPV program with nudity, blatant spurts of racism, etc.. As long as the NWA-TNA stays away from Low-Ki with that shit, he'll be okay, right?

[Guest bravesfan]

How would the influx of new wrestlers be motivated into entering the business? What would they be shooting for?

 

To entertain the fans. To put on a great match. To become one of the best wrestlers in the world. If you love wrestling it shouldn't matter where you do it, infront of 50 or 50,000. What did people shoot for before the WWE?

 

Before the boom of the Vince-led "WWE", there was TERRITORIAL WRESTLING.

 

TERRITORY wrestling is much different to INDEPENDENT wrestling.

 

You dominated a territory...then you moved on. Repeat cycle. The WWWF and the other big promotions were on the same level, so at least there was competition spread out upon the country. Talent then were motivated to succeed in their territory, which would then prove you were a draw, opening you up to more opportunities. As long as you kept moving, your gimmick was a fresh shot in the arm to each promotion.

 

Vince McMahon promised to eliminate territorial wrestling...and he did it. The idea of territory control also went out with the business boom in the early 80's, where you could the big stars on television every week. Why travel to the gyms and armories for the same cards when the WWF, AWA and NWA was churning a brand-new product every week?

 

What's left now? A major promotion in the WWE, and a bunch of smaller promotions in ROH, NWA:TNA and such, which are still to be seen by the average fan.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

As much as you think the WWE's death will somehow "freshen" up the wrestling scene, it will do anything but that. Can you imagine how many wrestlers in the independent scene will either leave wrestling altogether, or leave North America for a much more "stable" (and I use that term loosely) scene in Asia?

 

I'm not saying that there won't be a 'down' and 'dark' period in the wrestling industry. I say that it will take 10 years for the industry to get to full strength. Right now it is impossible for a wrestling promotion to start up and be successful because the WWE will take their stars, the WWE fans won't check out the product because the WWE has conditioned them not to. In essense, the WWE is preventing wrestling companies to compete. With the WWE dead, they can no longer hold the wrestling industry hostage. The Industry will be free to grow. No network will carry wrestling partially because of the WWE. Their falling ratings and market domination has made wrestling a very cold product to carry.

 

NWA:TNA already has a good number of workers contractually obligated to Zero-One or some other promotion. How many wrestlers are even contractually tied down to TNA in written contracts? The TNA appearances are only to boost their stock in terms of name value, possibly landing a comfortable position within the WWE.

 

Comfortable Position? Tell that to AJ styles.

 

You would NEVER hear that with WCW, when in direct competition with McMahon. Turner had the checkbook and job security to keep talent happy, which is why the entire pro wrestling business thrived THEN and is crapping out NOW.

 

The industry thrived THEN because wrestling fans were still open to accepting more than one product.

 

Wrestlers in the Indys don't do it for the money - they can't. There are other, easier, ways to make a lot more money. But those ways don't included entertaining fans, or doing what they love. The territorial scene would start up again if the WWE died. Not immediately, but it would happen just due to evolution.