Michael Moore: Asshat or patriot?

[Guest hardyz1]

Michael Moore booed at the Oscars

 

I personally would vote "asshat".

 

And don't give me the free speech argument. It's a private function.

[Guest Bosstones Fan]

Asshat, indeed. What a fuckin' loser.

[Guest bob_barron]

Susan Sarandon is vehemently against the war and she flashed a simple peace sign. U2 decided to play the opening riff of Sunday Bloody sunday. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Michael Moore went out there and ripped on the president and made a mockery of a very serious and real thing going on right now all to keep up his 'asshole rebel' image

[Guest The Hollywood Fashion Plate]

Didn't Sarandon have to intro the mpntage of dead Oscar winners? If so, if she had said anything it would have made her look bad for taking too much attention away from the dead. I can't help but think that they booked it like that so that she couldn't say anything without looking like an asshole.

 

Also, the band started playing Moore off the stage about 25 seconds into the speech, despite their previously stated claim that all winners would be given 45 seconds to talk. As a result, he had to shout the last sentence of his speech over the orchestra. Meanwhile, the winner for Best Actor asks the band to stop playing and they comply...hmm...

[Guest hardyz1]

It's really odd reading the thread on Fark and seeing so many people supporting him.

 

Adrien Brody made Moore look like an even bigger douchebag.

[Guest Vyce]

Asshat. He did no good for the anti-war side there.

 

BTW, what did Adrian Brody do?

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

ASSHAT DEFINITELY!!!!!

How dare someone in America display such dissent? Blackball him...

 

Blackball the Pope too. He must have Alzheimer's to speak out against President Bush. The Vatican would so keep their mouthes shut if a Catholic like Kennedy were in office?

 

Michael Moore?

The Pope?

U2? Susan Sarandon?

Desmond Tutu?

Norman Schwarzkopf?

Anyone that speaks out against the powers that be?

 

TWO WORDS! (and a tilde)

BAN PLZ~!

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Asshat. He did no good for the anti-war side there.

 

BTW, what did Adrian Brody do?

The band started playing to give Brody the sign that he had to finish up and he said something to the effect of "Hey, don't do that. Come on, stop it. I've only got one shot at this." and the band stopped playing and let him finish. Great moment.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Pretty dumb thing for Moore to do. The Academy Awards is definitely the wrong place to voice your opinion on a war. Bad move by Moore, and it could indefinitely hurt his career.

[Guest DrTom]

ASSHAT DEFINITELY!!!!!

How dare someone in America display such dissent? Blackball him...

 

Blackball the Pope too. He must have Alzheimer's to speak out against President Bush. The Vatican would so keep their mouthes shut if a Catholic like Kennedy were in office?

I know... maybe next time, you could overreact a little more theatrically.

 

No one's saying he shouldn't get to speak his mind. If he's against the war, that's fine. But there's a time and a place for everything, and the Oscars is neither to be spreading his anti-Bush and anti-war propaganda. Let him make another documentary if he wants to do it so bad.

[Guest Trivia247]

I didn't see what he said....... had he gone too far on TV then he shouldn't have dumbass...

 

Already Propaganda Network (Fox) has got their guests painting him as a Marxist so glad when people have different opinions and are stupid about them we automatically slap nametags and dismiss them as Communist Terrorist loving American Haters.

[Guest Ronixis]

Asshat, Total Asshat.

[Guest bob_barron]

I didn't see what he said

 

Then why are you commenting on it?

 

Micharl Moore went out there and preached his platform at the Oscars which is neither the time nor the place. His mocking of the president and the war was completely inapproitate given what had happened.

 

Adrian Brody gave a beautiful speech on peace. Susan Sarandon, who is very anti-war, flashed a simple peace sign. Nothing wrong with that- no harm done.

 

Michael Moore went up there, spoke for people who he didnt even know and was just trying to get over his cool rebel anti-authority asshole image. Don't think he's martyr or some guy raging against the machine-

 

He's just a fat fuck trying to keep his image alive before realise how stupid his films actually are.

 

Hey Moore- it takes a lot of talent to go out there and bully security guards

[Guest Trivia247]

I didn't see what he said

 

Then why are you commenting on it?

 

Micharl Moore went out there and preached his platform at the Oscars which is neither the time nor the place. His mocking of the president and the war was completely inapproitate given what had happened.

 

Adrian Brody gave a beautiful speech on peace. Susan Sarandon, who is very anti-war, flashed a simple peace sign. Nothing wrong with that- no harm done.

 

Michael Moore went up there, spoke for people who he didnt even know and was just trying to get over his cool rebel anti-authority asshole image. Don't think he's martyr or some guy raging against the machine-

 

He's just a fat fuck trying to keep his image alive before realise how stupid his films actually are.

 

Hey Moore- it takes a lot of talent to go out there and bully security guards

because I can! LOL

 

and because its on alot of the news stations.....

 

So There...

 

ya want a piece of me???

 

Breaks a Beerbottle

lol

 

 

I think if Moore wants to be that dramatic and get that reaction he got what he want...if he didn't then he is really really really Dubm.

[Guest bob_barron]

I have no idea what you said in most of that post.

 

Moore got what he want but he's still an idiot. He's just an attention whore trying to keep his image alive.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Moore's too full of his own shit these days. I just get tired of hearing him.

[Guest Vyce]

ASSHAT DEFINITELY!!!!!

How dare someone in America display such dissent? Blackball him...

 

Blackball the Pope too. He must have Alzheimer's to speak out against President Bush. The Vatican would so keep their mouthes shut if a Catholic like Kennedy were in office?

 

Michael Moore?

The Pope?

U2? Susan Sarandon?

Desmond Tutu?

Norman Schwarzkopf?

Anyone that speaks out against the powers that be?

 

TWO WORDS! (and a tilde)

BAN PLZ~!

It took me some time to answer your post, because I had to shovel away most of your bullshit first.

 

Look - no one says he can't speak his mind.

 

But what gets the peace / anti-war message out there best?

 

Adrian Brody giving a nice little speach on peace.....

 

....or some big fat idiot screaming and making an ass out of himself?

 

Like I said - he did his side NO GOOD. All those who clapped should be embarassed. Moore is exactly the kind of guy who FUELS the negative attitudes towards the anti-war crowd.

[cawthon777 0]

Asshat.

 

Takes a lot of talent to be a liberal and get booed out of the Oscars.

[Guest Anorak]

I've got a lot of time for Moore but that was one hell of a dumb move which he's probably regretting already. However misguided his actions were he doesn't deserve to get crucified for it, America needs stubborn old gits like him who have the balls to ask the difficult questions. God knows others of Moore's ilk in other countries don't endure the same kind of frenzied hostility he gets in America. Greed, corruption, exploitation and hypocrisy exist in America just like anywhere else so why shouldn't people like Moore bring it to people's attention?

[Guest Blue Bacchus]

Asshat all the way. The Oscars are not a political forum.

 

Sometimes I wonder if McCarthy had the right idea but poor execution.

[cawthon777 0]

Greed, corruption, exploitation and hypocrisy exist in America just like anywhere else so why shouldn't people like Moore bring it to people's attention?

Sure they exist in some form but what he had to say last night was built around propaganda and not fact.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This may be the most pathetic thread that I have ever had the misfortune of seeing on this board.

 

Michael Moore, a man who has proven himself to be a witty, and somewhat insightful satirist, took time out the Hollywood masturbation session known as the Oscars to voice his concerns over something REAL. Something that was costing me and women their lives, and he’s booed.

 

If you don’t respect his opinion; that’s fine. But the bottom line is this:

 

He won the Oscar; you didn’t

 

He accepted the award; you didn’t

 

It was HIS 45 seconds to spend as he chose; not yours.

 

What, just because people were watching him meant he couldn’t speak his mind? I applaud the courage of Michael Moore, the courage to say what you think and feel, despite what numbnuts may think about you.

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

It was HIS 45 seconds to spend as he chose; not yours.

25 seconds...

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I've got a lot of time for Moore but that was one hell of a dumb move which he's probably regretting already. However misguided his actions were he doesn't deserve to get crucified for it, America needs stubborn old gits like him who have the balls to ask the difficult questions. God knows others of Moore's ilk in other countries don't endure the same kind of frenzied hostility he gets in America. Greed, corruption, exploitation and hypocrisy exist in America just like anywhere else so why shouldn't people like Moore bring it to people's attention?

He has the right to say, but we have the same right to disregard it. The honus is on him to defend his opinion and win people over to his side. He failed miserably and was booed by a crowd full of anti-war advocates. It isn't just conservatives who are angry with him.

 

Nobody is saying that he shouldn't be allowed to say it. They are saying that he shouldn't say it because it is stupid and would only hurt his own position.

 

This is one thing that many Americans have problems with. They will protest the war and the president as much as they want, but as soon as people start protesting THEM, they turn around and bitch about it. You can't have it both ways. You can say whatever you want, but you better be prepared to have anything said back to you. As long as they aren't doing something illegal like physically assaulting you for speaking out, then you have to take it.

 

I liken it to the situation where a family moves in near an airport, and then campaign to get the airport moved even though it was already there before they moved in. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

Sure they exist in some form but what he had to say last night was built around propaganda and not fact.

Yeah kinda like the links between al Qaeda and Hussein and the WMDs that have yet to be found over in Iraq...

[Guest bob_barron]

This may be the most pathetic thread that I have ever had the misfortune of seeing on this board.

 

Then don't bother gracing us with your pathetic response.

 

Michael Moore, a man who has proven himself to be a witty, and somewhat insightful satirist

 

That's debatable. I thought The Big One was one of the stupidest films I've ever seen and made me think the guy was a stupid buffoon.

 

time out the Hollywood masturbation session known as the Oscars to voice his concerns over something REAL.

 

No he didn't- he didn't voice his concerns at all. He went up there and made a mockery over it. He went up there and mocked President Bush and mocked a very real situation in Iraq. Instead of giving an eloquent respectful speech like Adrian Brody did- He went up there and tried to be "cool and "hip" and keep his asshole rebel image alive. That wasn't concern- that was mockey.

 

He won the Oscar; you didn’t

 

For a film that could barely qualify as a documentary.

 

It was HIS 45 seconds to spend as he chose; not yours.

 

And of that 45 seconds I have a right to criticise every second of it.

 

What, just because people were watching him meant he couldn’t speak his mind?

 

The Oscars are not the time and the place. It's a place for honouring acheivements in motion picture- NOT making a mockery of war. There are many political rallies and news shows where Moore could've gone and spoken his mind.

 

applaud the courage of Michael Moore

 

I don't think you understand the word. It takes a lot of courage to do what Adrien Brody did. It doesn't take courage to go up there and act like an asshole.

 

despite what numbnuts may think about you.

 

Numbnuts? Well excuse mefor not appreicating a guy using an awards show as his personal soapbox to make inane and ridicilous comments that did not help the anti-war cause. He could've gone up there and prayed for peace, or done something simple and subtle like Susan Sarandon did. But no- he went up there and acted like a complete jerk.

[Guest Blue Bacchus]

Watch him turn around and make a documentary on the war now.

[Guest bob_barron]

Sure they exist in some form but what he had to say last night was built around propaganda and not fact.

Yeah kinda like the links between al Qaeda and Hussein and the WMDs that have yet to be found over in Iraq...

You mean like at-

 

http://www.janes.com/security/internationa...10919_1_n.shtml

[Guest Powerplay]

Sure they exist in some form but what he had to say last night was built around propaganda and not fact.

Yeah kinda like the links between al Qaeda and Hussein and the WMDs that have yet to be found over in Iraq...

You mean like that-

 

http://www.janes.com/security/internationa...10919_1_n.shtml

Bob, the link is cut off.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

This may be the most pathetic thread that I have ever had the misfortune of seeing on this board.

 

Then don't bother gracing us with your pathetic response.

 

Michael Moore, a man who has proven himself to be a witty, and somewhat insightful satirist

 

That's debatable. I thought The Big One was one of the stupidest films I've ever seen and made me think the guy was a stupid buffoon.

 

time out the Hollywood masturbation session known as the Oscars to voice his concerns over something REAL.

 

No he didn't- he didn't voice his concerns at all. He went up there and made a mockery over it. He went up there and mocked President Bush and mocked a very real situation in Iraq. Instead of giving an eloquent respectful speech like Adrian Brody did- He went up there and tried to be "cool and "hip" and keep his asshole rebel image alive. That wasn't concern- that was mockey.

 

He won the Oscar; you didn’t

 

For a film that could barely qualify as a documentary.

 

It was HIS 45 seconds to spend as he chose; not yours.

 

And of that 45 seconds I have a right to criticise every second of it.

 

What, just because people were watching him meant he couldn’t speak his mind?

 

The Oscars are not the time and the place. It's a place for honouring acheivements in motion picture- NOT making a mockery of war. There are many political rallies and news shows where Moore could've gone and spoken his mind.

 

applaud the courage of Michael Moore

 

I don't think you understand the word. It takes a lot of courage to do what Adrien Brody did. It doesn't take courage to go up there and act like an asshole.

 

despite what numbnuts may think about you.

 

Numbnuts? Well excuse mefor not appreicating a guy using an awards show as his personal soapbox to make inane and ridicilous comments that did not help the anti-war cause. He could've gone up there and prayed for peace, or done something simple and subtle like Susan Sarandon did. But no- he went up there and acted like a complete jerk.

1. Here we go...

 

2. No, he's had two semi-sucessful TV Shows, a number of popular books, and a number of good movies. He's made clunkers...but who hasn't?

 

3. He expressed disgust for the President, and for the reasons for the war in Iraq. While he did it in an arrogant way, that's all he was doing, and it seemed to be out of some concern for the direction our country is taking.

 

4. Now you're a film critic, Barron? I saw BfC and it struck me, as a rather ingenious look into our country's fascination with guns, WITHOUT being leftist, gun-control, propaganda.

 

5. You sure do. But you people act as if he didn't have the right to say that. He certainy did. It was a lot better than the USUAL Oscar speech; that's for damn sure.

 

6. I dispute the mockery. The war isn't mentioned directly, only our reasons for it. The President seems to be the major target. That's what a satirist does: He looks at what he sees as mistakes and pokes fun at them. This board's response is proof-positive that he did strike a nerve, and that perhaps there was a ring of truth to it. Oh and he wasn't doing it at "The Oscars" he was doing it at his speech. He could have sat up there and twiddled his thumbs for 45 seconds.

 

7. Unless you mean French Kissing a married woman, then no I don't think Brody was all that couragous. He said a few words that he knew had no chance of being booed, and that would make him look "relevent". Moore spoke his mind, and didn't give a shit what others thought of what he had to say.

 

8. I'd rather see the awards show become a soapbox then what it is: An excuse for Hollywood to show off how great it is. If you didn't like the speech, you should have changed the channel.