Curt Hennig's cause of death revealed

[Guest RedJed]

My uncle died from smoking. The ONLY reason I have sympathy for him is that in his culture, smoking was a rite of passage so you had to do it.

Huh? Nobody HAS to do ANYTHING, especially just because of their culture. In that same respect then, apparently then drug use in the industry should not be scrutinized because it's "normal" for workers to dope themselves up to cure pain and road ware on themselves.

[Guest TheGame2705]

I don't think you get it then, my uncle was also 60 when he died from smoking. Back then to be treated equally you HAD to smoke, it was just the way it was and back where he was and the time it was, people didn't really know it was bad to smoke so that's why I kinda feel bad he got addicted.

I think performers doping themselves up is different. Usually they're already doing it not as frequently or doing it for fun until they start doing it for the purpose of escaping reality.

[Guest subliminal_animal]

People can quit smoking. When did all these "smoking is bad" reports first come out anyways? I think it was in the late 50s/early 60s.

 

When did your uncle die? I'm sure at sometime in his life he found out smoking wasn't as good for you as disgusting spinach or delicious cottage cheese on a tremendous slice of spinach bread.

 

I believe that anyone smoking cigarettes could quit, just some would need to work at it harder and longer than others, maybe get some other issues dealt with along the way. It's just a lot don't want to try, or maybe it's will ... maybe it's they know they'd have too far to go and it wouldn't be worth it. It's sad. It doesn't mean they're bad people, but in a way, you could say it's their own fault.

 

 

Unrelated topic: When are all the Curt Hennig banners going to come down? I thought it was going to be on his birthday, but they stayed up. I know you guys want to show respect, but life goes on.

 

Why the fuck does it matter to you?

 

Hennig was one of my all time favourites and his death hit me really hard. So I chose to put a banner of him in my sig. I apologise if I offended you.

 

I think it sucks the way Curt died but I still consider him to be one of my all time favourites.

 

I was thinking of changing my banner to wish Regal a healthy recovery

It sucks the way anyone dies. Except for like Hitler and the jerk across the street (who will be dead in a week).

 

It shouldn't matter if someone has banners up for anything for however long. They're not huge and intrusive. It could be he was just curious, but it sounded to me like he was a little annoyed. Further evidence is his classification of a picture on the cover of a James Bond novel as a problem.

 

It's also cute how Bob over there seemed very offended by Zsasz's post and defended his right to have the banner up, yet informed us of how he was considering changing it from a tribute to one his all-time favorite wrestlers, now deceased, to a get-well card for someone who's a bit under the weather. I would say ironic, too, but I'm an idiot and always use it wrong. And yeah, I'm understating the illness, but he's going to be okay. If he's not, then, well ... i'm wrong.

 

On a final, needless note on these the Hennig banners, I would just like to say while the sentiment is nice, the "Heaven just got a little more perfect" or whatever captions are pretty cheesy. Even more than the Mr. Perfect gimmick itself. The most main biggest difference, though? The gimmick was so insanely, institutionalization-worthy awesome.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Using Cocaine or any hard drug shows disreguard for your family and friends.

I don't understand that philosophy of life AT ALL. I understand this in a case of a person who has perhaps been using drugs all his life and in that case, of course it has an effect on family and friends (believe me I know, my dad is just like that) but to make that simple generalization even if someone does a drug ONCE that means you are disregarding your family and friends? Cmon now.

My comments were solely based on my thinking that Henning had abused Cocaine for many years. I don't know that for a fact, I just find it hard to believe that he starting using coke at 43.

[Guest RedJed]

I don't think you get it then, my uncle was also 60 when he died from smoking. Back then to be treated equally you HAD to smoke, it was just the way it was and back where he was and the time it was, people didn't really know it was bad to smoke so that's why I kinda feel bad he got addicted.

I think that reasoning that "nobody knew it was bad to smoke" is about as convincing as the argument that people didn't know that eating at McDonalds regularly would put the pounds on a person.

 

And back then you didn't have to smoke to be "treated equally" thats bullshit. Thats like the argument that to fit into a social group you have to do drugs or drink or whatever. Does that make it anymore right?

 

You just feel bad for him because he was family, admit it. Because otherwise you are contradicting your feelings on who to feel sorry for and who to not feel sorry for since your uncles situation is very similar to things like dying from drugs, etc.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I don't get what the big deal is.

 

The guy was a fantastic athlete and preformer. He died from drug use. What's so horrible about that? I don't understand why some people believe that because THEY are against drugs, the rest of the world should be. If Curt Hennig snorted cocaine, abused steroids and drank regularly; that's his own business. I don't understand why drugs is enough to make someone completly change their opinion on a performer they enjoyed for the better part of two decades. Any time someone choses to snort cocaine, they know exactly the risk they are running. If they feel the pleasure outweighs the reprocussions than so be it. Quite frankly, this is none of our business. Also, I guarantee you that AT LEAST one of the wrestler's you love now is also a substance abuser. And that doesn't make them any less of a person in my mind.

 

It's people who say things like, "All the drug addicts should have been sent to Iraq to fight the war" that really piss me off. Why can't someone who does drugs, and understands the consequences be respected as much as someone who doesn't? I'm not saying you have to love the person, but it really is not a reason to no longer respect them because in all seriousness, we shouldn't even know about their drug history and by knowing about, that is crossing the line of personal privacy.

 

This may shock some of you, but even after that whole speech, I'm still 100% clean. I do know many people who use drugs are a daily/semi-daily basis though. I don't hang out with them when they are fucked or are planning to be fucked up. So when I do talk to them, I just don't think about what they do behind closed doors, because really it shouldn't matter to be. It's none of my fucking business.

 

Yeah, I was rambling there. Hopefully it had some kind of point.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Unrelated topic: When are all the Curt Hennig banners going to come down? I thought it was going to be on his birthday, but they stayed up. I know you guys want to show respect, but life goes on.

 

Why the fuck does it matter to you?

 

Hennig was one of my all time favourites and his death hit me really hard. So I chose to put a banner of him in my sig. I apologise if I offended you.

 

I think it sucks the way Curt died but I still consider him to be one of my all time favourites.

 

I was thinking of changing my banner to wish Regal a healthy recovery

It sucks the way anyone dies. Except for like Hitler and the jerk across the street (who will be dead in a week).

 

It shouldn't matter if someone has banners up for anything for however long. They're not huge and intrusive. It could be he was just curious, but it sounded to me like he was a little annoyed. Further evidence is his classification of a picture on the cover of a James Bond novel as a problem.

 

It's also cute how Bob over there seemed very offended by Zsasz's post and defended his right to have the banner up, yet informed us of how he was considering changing it from a tribute to one his all-time favorite wrestlers, now deceased, to a get-well card for someone who's a bit under the weather. I would say ironic, too, but I'm an idiot and always use it wrong. And yeah, I'm understating the illness, but he's going to be okay. If he's not, then, well ... i'm wrong.

 

On a final, needless note on these the Hennig banners, I would just like to say while the sentiment is nice, the "Heaven just got a little more perfect" or whatever captions are pretty cheesy. Even more than the Mr. Perfect gimmick itself. The most main biggest difference, though? The gimmick was so insanely, institutionalization-worthy awesome.

I was just curious. I think Bob needs to stop being so goddamned defensive and lighten up. I was a fan of Curt's, but I just wanted to know when you guys had decided they're going to come down.

 

Oh and Rob, I'll respond to the James Bond novel crack the same way I respond to every literary elitist (not saying you're an elitist but...) who's said something to that effect:

 

James Bond is the best example out side of comic books of modern mythology. He takes the best elements from "hard-boiled" heroes, pulp heroes, and even from some villains, and is a totally new experience for it. You should also know that the novels are much more serious, and in most cases, more enjoyable then their film counterparts. Raymond Chandler (The creator of the "Private Eye") was one of Fleming's biggest fans. So was JFK.

 

Furthurmore, when you can write a book that has been as successful at becoming a part of worldwide pop culture, I'll take your jabs a bit more seriously.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Unrelated topic: When are all the Curt Hennig banners going to come down? I thought it was going to be on his birthday, but they stayed up. I know you guys want to show respect, but life goes on.

what's wrong with continuing to show respect? if one of my favorite wrestlers died, i'd never take off the "in memory of."

A lot of people said that about Owen hart, but you have to move on eventually.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Oh and Rob, I'll respond to the James Bond novel crack the same way I respond to every literary elitist (not saying you're an elitist but...) who's said something to that effect:

 

James Bond is the best example out side of comic books of modern mythology. He takes the best elements from "hard-boiled" heroes, pulp heroes, and even from some villains, and is a totally new experience for it. You should also know that the novels are much more serious, and in most cases, more enjoyable then their film counterparts. Raymond Chandler (The creator of the "Private Eye") was one of Fleming's biggest fans. So was JFK.

 

Furthurmore, when you can write a book that has been as successful at becoming a part of worldwide pop culture, I'll take your jabs a bit more seriously.

You're not talking to me, right?

[Guest subliminal_animal]

I don't know. That guy is crazy. I mean, he's talking about JFK. You know who that is? Dude ... that guy is dead. He's been that way for like, a good two hundred years. And not only that, someone shot his ass. And I think his face, too.

 

Again, I know everything, including to keep my distance from any double-roasted nutjobs.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I don't get what the big deal is.

 

The guy was a fantastic athlete and preformer. He died from drug use. What's so horrible about that? I don't understand why some people believe that because THEY are against drugs, the rest of the world should be. If Curt Hennig snorted cocaine, abused steroids and drank regularly; that's his own business. I don't understand why drugs is enough to make someone completly change their opinion on a performer they enjoyed for the better part of two decades. Any time someone choses to snort cocaine, they know exactly the risk they are running. If they feel the pleasure outweighs the reprocussions than so be it. Quite frankly, this is none of our business. Also, I guarantee you that AT LEAST one of the wrestler's you love now is also a substance abuser. And that doesn't make them any less of a person in my mind.

 

It's people who say things like, "All the drug addicts should have been sent to Iraq to fight the war" that really piss me off. Why can't someone who does drugs, and understands the consequences be respected as much as someone who doesn't? I'm not saying you have to love the person, but it really is not a reason to no longer respect them because in all seriousness, we shouldn't even know about their drug history and by knowing about, that is crossing the line of personal privacy.

 

This may shock some of you, but even after that whole speech, I'm still 100% clean. I do know many people who use drugs are a daily/semi-daily basis though. I don't hang out with them when they are fucked or are planning to be fucked up. So when I do talk to them, I just don't think about what they do behind closed doors, because really it shouldn't matter to be. It's none of my fucking business.

 

Yeah, I was rambling there. Hopefully it had some kind of point.

`nuff said

 

good job

 

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Yes, I'm aware that it is a rather cold and uncaring stance to take. It's not that I don't care that he died, but I don't and never will feel bad about someone who dies from using a drug which they know to be dangerous.

 

Don't give me all that "maybe he was depressed" bullshit, he choose to take the risk period.

 

Oh and I'm far far away from the "moral police" so that has zero to do with how I feel. In fact I'm not against using drugs and I even partake in using light drugs(no serious drug). I fully support the ideal that people should be allowed to do anything they want as long as it doesn't directly hurt someone else. So people can use all the drugs they want, but if they die from the drugs then oh well they aren't getting any sympathy from me. I'd give sympathy to the family, but not the dead.

When you die from your "light" drugs like roach spray, wood grain alcohol, super(human)speed, ultrahotsecstasy, metahotsexamine, monomegamaxamine and diamond methexplodamine, I'll still feel sorry for you. I guess that makes me the bigger man in this feud, and as we all know, being the bigger man is all the more obvious if you use the bigger words.

 

On doit des égards aux vivants; on ne doit aux morts que la vérité.

Yo, this mofo don't know how to spell! Word on the street is he needs a proofreader!

 

I'm split 50/50.  What Curt did was obviously wrong, but who are we, the "moral police"?  Curt was a great man and a fantastic wrestler.  This is no reason not to respect him.  Sure it may make you think twice about the whole situation, but he still deserves respect in death. 

 

Unless of course you never respected him, in which case there would be no reason for you to respect him in death.  I HATE when people pull shit like that.

But doesn't that kind of go for you saying he was a great man? How do you know? Stories that came out after he passed? Maybe you had access to more information channels than me, but only thing I can remember hearing about Kurt from a "backstage" POV was the fight with Brock on the plane and management telling him to stop driving to shows with Hennig because they felt he was a bad influence.

 

Curt might've not been Mr. Perfect in real life,

Goddamn, you must've not seen him playing basketball. And when he plays football, HE CATCHES HIS OWN PASS!

 

he might've been a drug and steroid abuser,

He did steroids? Is than something you've heard or an assumption?

 

but i could give 2 shits of what he did behind close doors b/c he never tried to push his bad habits on anybody else so we should let the man's poor soul rest in peace and remember him for entertaining us in the ring.

We don't know he didn't try to push his bad habits on anyone else. Could this be related to the "bad influence" thing? Probably not!

 

411wrestling reported that it was "acute cocaine intoxication" which struck me as he tried it for maybe the first time and had a bad reaction to it, like some people can with exstacy.

How so?

 

Didn't Vince fire Yokozuna because he was concerned about his weight and didnt' want him to die in the ring?

You know, if that happened, they should've done an angle where the guy he was fighting where he died gets turned into a super-bad-ass character who constantly brags about the fresh slay of a former WWF Champion. I wanted to make him a heel, but heels are pussies and Yoko was a foreigner, so the choice is obvious.

 

That's all a terrific joke, of course, but if that did happen against someone who wasn't really close to Yokozuna ... if he was still employed by the company years later, I could see a "get myself over" line in an interview about he's the only man who was bad enough that he killed an opponent in the ring. Whether it was scripted or not would be up in the air.

 

They do it thinking they'll be able to ignore the pain for a little while and stride on to get where they're going. Alcohol is the same thing.

The pain of alcohol? Hangovers? Where the hell is cocaine supposed to take you but in jail, a burial plot or beautiful, beautiful places that exist only for you in your mind?

[Guest Crux]

Sad news to hear...unfortunately, he's just another causualty who die due to drugs.

[Guest Moses The Monkey]

Okay, some of you misunderstood what I was trying to say with the whole cancer thing, and to whomever I offended, I apologize.

 

I didn’t actually mean that dying from drug use and dying from cancer was the same thing. They’re obviously not. What I was trying to say was that whether Curt died of drug abuse, or cancer, doesn’t matter. The fact is he died; he was a great man, why should it matter if the cause was drug abuse or cancer? It’s the same thing in that sense, that either way, you should still feel sympathy for him. And I just don’t understand those who don’t. Again, my apologies.

[Guest TheGame2705]

I don't think you get it then, my uncle was also 60 when he died from smoking. Back then to be treated equally you HAD to smoke, it was just the way it was and back where he was and the time it was, people didn't really know it was bad to smoke so that's why I kinda feel bad he got addicted.

I think that reasoning that "nobody knew it was bad to smoke" is about as convincing as the argument that people didn't know that eating at McDonalds regularly would put the pounds on a person.

 

And back then you didn't have to smoke to be "treated equally" thats bullshit. Thats like the argument that to fit into a social group you have to do drugs or drink or whatever. Does that make it anymore right?

 

You just feel bad for him because he was family, admit it. Because otherwise you are contradicting your feelings on who to feel sorry for and who to not feel sorry for since your uncles situation is very similar to things like dying from drugs, etc.

Not equally as in like civil rights but equal as in you know, accepted by others and not ridiculed. Circumstances also include him coming to this country in the 70's and not ever knowing how to read or write in English and dying in the late 80's it's probably he didn't know smoking was bad for him. So before you spout your ass about stuff you don't know any further, read this post.

[Guest McLeary]

The saddest thing about Hennig, to me, was that he seemed like a guy who couldn't come to grips with reality and was living in the past. This just confirms it.

How do you gather this?

Well, it's like there he is, doing some shitty Jimmy Hart Has-Beens show, doin' coke like it's still the '80's and he's still a big shot. Such a "Boogie Nights" way to die, really. That and his whole final stint in the WWF he seemed like a guy who just didn't realize it was over.

[Guest RedJed]

I don't think you get it then, my uncle was also 60 when he died from smoking. Back then to be treated equally you HAD to smoke, it was just the way it was and back where he was and the time it was, people didn't really know it was bad to smoke so that's why I kinda feel bad he got addicted.

I think that reasoning that "nobody knew it was bad to smoke" is about as convincing as the argument that people didn't know that eating at McDonalds regularly would put the pounds on a person.

 

And back then you didn't have to smoke to be "treated equally" thats bullshit. Thats like the argument that to fit into a social group you have to do drugs or drink or whatever. Does that make it anymore right?

 

You just feel bad for him because he was family, admit it. Because otherwise you are contradicting your feelings on who to feel sorry for and who to not feel sorry for since your uncles situation is very similar to things like dying from drugs, etc.

Not equally as in like civil rights but equal as in you know, accepted by others and not ridiculed. Circumstances also include him coming to this country in the 70's and not ever knowing how to read or write in English and dying in the late 80's it's probably he didn't know smoking was bad for him. So before you spout your ass about stuff you don't know any further, read this post.

AGAIN.........didn't know smoking was bad for him? Give me a fucking break. Its odvious that smoke does some sort of damage to you, ya know since you actually inhale smoke and all.

 

I never said "equal rights" at all, the whole reasoning of smoking because you "would be ridiculed" is as ridiculous as the above mentioned statement from you. You're making excuses for something that is in the same light as a drug, again you're contradicting yourself in that you offer no sympathy for people who poison their own bodies with drugs (hard or soft, it doesn't matter, its the same thing), yet a family member of yours did the SAME EXACT THING. I'm just trying to give you a different perspective on things regarding Hennig, because as you are trying to explain with your family member, its not just a cut and dry thing.

 

Anyway, in studying this worlds history I have never heard of a situation where you were forced to smoke or else face ridicule of any kind of a serious nature. I'd be inclined to think YOU'RE the one who doesn't know much about the stuff you are spouting.

[Guest El Satanico]

In the 40s-60s smoking was totally accepted and wasn't considered to be dangerous at all. It was consider the thing to do and was glorified by TV and Hollywood. It was a totally different environment and can't really attack someone for doing it when it wasn't considered to be dangerous.

 

Superstar Billy Graham deserves sympathy for the condition steroids have left him in. The reason being that he didn't know the full dangers of steroids until it was too late. Any dumbass that uses steroids now that they know the dangers deserves no sympathy when he ends up like Billy Graham.

 

So...If Chris Benoit died from steroid and cocaine abuse, then he wouldn't deserve sympathy in death. Having no sympathy for him in his steroid/cocaine induced death, doesn't mean I turned on him.

 

Kurt Cobain has nothing to do with this discussion as he didn't kill himself with drugs. He killed himself while on drugs. While on the subject...no I didn't feel sympathy for Cobain either.

 

Some fat people have a disorder that prevents them from keeping weight off. If Yokozuna or any fat person is fully capable of loosing weight, but chooses not to because they love fried foods, then they deserve no sympathy in death.

 

I clearly pointed out the fact that I have no problem with people using drugs. People should have the freedom to do anything they want outside of directly harming others. Be it alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs or eating bad food people should be allowed to kill themselves however they see fit.

 

As far as the "so you'd just turn on them if they died from drug use" statement. Just because I'd share no sympathy for their death, it doesn't mean I turned on the person. I now have no sympathy for Hennig's death, but I still love what he gave us while alive.

 

 

So to sum it up...I respect what Hennig did in his life, but I have no sympathy or respect in his death. And yes I consider life and death to be separate entities in a none Religious way.

[Guest RedJed]

In the 40s-60s smoking was totally accepted and wasn't considered to be dangerous at all. It was consider the thing to do and was glorified by TV and Hollywood. It was a totally different environment and can't really attack someone for doing it when it wasn't considered to be dangerous.

I'm sorry but I still think you'd have to be completely naive to ever think that smoking would not cause any damage to your body, even back then.

[Guest El Satanico]

It may seem naive to us, but you have to remember that we're more informed on the issue compared to those living during the 40s-early60s.

 

Back when the actual dangers weren't fully known by the public and the whole country is drilling "smoking is good" into your mind you'd see no problem with smoking.

 

I'm sure in 30 years people will look back on us and say "They used what? How could anyone be so naive to use that and not know it could kill them" about something we do that's totally acceptable now.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Thanks ES, that's what I was trying to say.

[Guest El Satanico]

:tips hat:

 

I figured that was the point you were trying to make.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I was pretty convinced it was drugs from day one. It's not that often that an athlete drops dead for no reason.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

I'm sure in 30 years people will look back on us and say "They used what? How could anyone be so naive to use that and not know it could kill them" about something we do that's totally acceptable now.

 

I'm sure that in 30 years time, if we all start dropping dead from mobile-phone induced brain tumours, we'll claim we had no idea too.

Sometimes it's better to asume that nothing bad will happen until you have proof, and it was only relatively recently that reports came out incontrovertably linking smoking with cancer.

 

And on the Yokosuna issue, if i see someone overweight complaining abot being fat, i usually think that they ought to get off their bitch ass and do something about it. However, everyone is stressed sometimes, and everyone needs their vices to cope with life. be it eating, drinking of smoking to ease the pain, its a human condition.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Damn. Some of you guys are cold. A man died; it doesn't matter what the fuck from. He died.

 

I suppose Owen deserves no fucking sympothy because he knew the risks of dropping from the ceiling that night.

 

Policemen who die in the line of duty don't deserve any sympothy either, they knew it was a dangerous job before they took it.

 

The people who died on September 11th are fucking morons for flying in an airplane, because that's dangerous.

 

Jesus fucking Christ guys.....

[Guest notJames]

I'm not sure what any of your examples have to do with the topic.

 

Hennig used/abused/whatever a toxic substance whose benefits were far outweighed by its detriments. He also did it of his own volition.

 

Owen Hart died in an accident where he was most likely assured all proper safety requirements were met. Hennig's death, although not directly deliberate, was due to an situation that could not be deemed safe under most, if not any, circumstances.

 

Policemen who die in the line of duty do it out of a sense of selflessness and honour. Hennig wasn't helping (or hurting, for that matter) anybody but himself.

 

And please don't bring up the events that took place on September 11th in such a callous, glib, or otherwise non-serious tone. Unless you were in Manhattan on that day to witness it like I was, or in Washington, you're doing a complete and utter disservice to the thousands of lives that were lost. And I hope that is not your intent.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Kurt Cobain has nothing to do with this discussion as he didn't kill himself with drugs. He killed himself while on drugs. While on the subject...no I didn't feel sympathy for Cobain either.

It wasn't Kurt's fault that Courtney killed him for a solo push.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I don't know. That guy is crazy. I mean, he's talking about JFK. You know who that is? Dude ... that guy is dead. He's been that way for like, a good two hundred years. And not only that, someone shot his ass. And I think his face, too.

 

Again, I know everything, including to keep my distance from any double-roasted nutjobs.

I wasn't talking about JFK: the man. I was talking about JFK's Assassination: The most famous on solved crime of the 20th Century.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

I'm not sure what any of your examples have to do with the topic.

 

Hennig used/abused/whatever a toxic substance whose benefits were far outweighed by its detriments. He also did it of his own volition.

 

Owen Hart died in an accident where he was most likely assured all proper safety requirements were met. Hennig's death, although not directly deliberate, was due to an situation that could not be deemed safe under most, if not any, circumstances.

 

Policemen who die in the line of duty do it out of a sense of selflessness and honour. Hennig wasn't helping (or hurting, for that matter) anybody but himself.

 

And please don't bring up the events that took place on September 11th in such a callous, glib, or otherwise non-serious tone. Unless you were in Manhattan on that day to witness it like I was, or in Washington, you're doing a complete and utter disservice to the thousands of lives that were lost. And I hope that is not your intent.

Not at all man. I guess I did come off as a bit of a fucking moron, sorry to anybody I offended. I may have been a bit out of line there, but I think most evryone in this thread has been at one point or another.

 

I'm through talking about this to be honest with you. Just remember him for the enjoyment he brought to your lives, fuck what he did in his personal time.

[Guest notJames]

No problemo. And sorry if I may have been a bit harsh. You just happened to have touched on two subjects that strike a major chord with me (Owen, Sept. 11).

 

Hopefully, like Mr. Hennig, we can lay this whole issue to rest.