Guest Moses The Monkey Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I don’t post here very much, but after I read this thread, I felt I had to speak my mind. It sucks that he died, but those who kill themselves with drugs they know to be dangerous don't deserve sympathy. Before I say anything, I just wanna say I’m not trying to attack the person who said this quote, I’m arguing over the way of thinking itself. It seems several of you have this opinion. I don’t get it. Y’all were singing the praises of Curt Hennig when he died. And rightfully so. But now you find out it was drug related, and some of you take it back? He doesn’t DESERVE sympathy? That’s just dumb. Curt was one of the best wrestlers, and from all accounts a great guy. Him dying of drug-related reasons doesn’t change that. He had a problem, obviously. Why does that warrant not sympathizing for his death? If your mother died due to drug-related causes, would you say that she doesn’t deserve sympathy? I don’t think so. Sure, he knew what he was doing was dangerous to his health, but you think knowing that is enough to just stop? We don’t know if it was an addiction or a one-time thing, but for the sake of the argument, let’s say he was addicted. Addiction is a disease. It is brought on by some other problem that someone may be having…Depression, physical pain, whatever. Why would we suddenly say that he doesn’t “deserve” sympathy because he died of a disease? This is no different than if Curt had died of cancer. Fact of the matter is, Curt died, he died incredibly too early, and it’s a sad thing. If you think Curt doesn’t deserve sympathy because of one problem he had in life…a problem not totally under his control…then you yourself have problems. Let Curt rest in peace, please.
Guest cynicalprofit Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Well now I have 2 good reasons why never to do coke.
Guest Ram Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Unrelated topic: When are all the Curt Hennig banners going to come down? I thought it was going to be on his birthday, but they stayed up. I know you guys want to show respect, but life goes on. Um, his birthday is this Friday. It hasn't happened yet.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Addiction is a disease. It is brought on by some other problem that someone may be having…Depression, physical pain, whatever. Why would we suddenly say that he doesn’t “deserve” sympathy because he died of a disease? This is no different than if Curt had died of cancer. Yes... a disease that could also be brought on by the wanting to experiment with drugs, and depression not having anything to do with it. Cut the crap. I loved Curt Hennig the wrestler as much as everyone else here... and I feel very very sad for his family, and I even feel sorry for Curt himself. HOWEVER, don't give me this "drug addiction is the same as cancer" bullshit. You don't CHOOSE to get cancer. You do CHOOSE to snort cocaine... and trying to argue it in any other way is... well, as my heroes Penn & Teller would say... "that's bullshit!"
Guest Retro Rob Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I'm split 50/50. What Curt did was obviously wrong, but who are we, the "moral police"? Curt was a great man and a fantastic wrestler. This is no reason not to respect him. Sure it may make you think twice about the whole situation, but he still deserves respect in death. Unless of course you never respected him, in which case there would be no reason for you to respect him in death. I HATE when people pull shit like that.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I'm split 50/50. What Curt did was obviously wrong, but who are we, the "moral police"? Curt was a great man and a fantastic wrestler. This is no reason not to respect him. Sure it may make you think twice about the whole situation, but he still deserves respect in death. Unless of course you never respected him, in which case there would be no reason for you to respect him in death. I HATE when people pull shit like that. Oh I respect him just as much and I'm not judging him at all... it's just that the "drug addiciton is no different than cancer" really annoyed the fuck out of me
Guest Just call me Dan Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 411wrestling reported that it was "acute cocaine intoxication" which struck me as he tried it for maybe the first time and had a bad reaction to it, like some people can with exstacy. I truly hate to hear this, but it goes on with many wrestlers. Sorry to hear that and I hope this doesn't bring too much heartache in addition to his death for the Hennig family.
Guest RedJed Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Alot of people seem to assume that Hennig was either a coke addict or addicted to coke. From what I gather this wasn't the case, and this may very well been a very occasional thing he did, and as I was thinking, he may have had a heart condition in the first place that might have brought this on, combining it with the coke to kill him. None of us can say we are perfect, nor the smartest in the world, so I think its pretty unfair to change your stance on Hennig just from this news.
Guest CanadianChris Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 That's hard to believe...he's been in the business for twenty years, and suddenly decides to do coke for the first time at 40-something? Anyway, you can have a bad reaction to it at any time, not just the first time. Just sad.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 That's hard to believe...he's been in the business for twenty years, and suddenly decides to do coke for the first time at 40-something? Anyway, you can have a bad reaction to it at any time, not just the first time. Just sad. Well i know that, and I meant it as maybe he had tried it when he was young, never stuck to it and his nagging injuries or being fed up with wrestling or life in general caused him to give it a spin again, resulting in death.
Guest McLeary Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 The saddest thing about Hennig, to me, was that he seemed like a guy who couldn't come to grips with reality and was living in the past. This just confirms it.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 The saddest thing about Hennig, to me, was that he seemed like a guy who couldn't come to grips with reality and was living in the past. This just confirms it. How do you gather this?
Guest TheGame2705 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Forgive Moses he's not too right in the head, I got extremely offended by it to as one of my pastors and my grandmother died of cancer. They didn't one day say "OMG I have a great idea, I wanna get cancer". Hennig doesn't deserve sympathy for dying from ANY type of cocaine usage whether he was an addict or it was his first time. I thought he just died from a heart condition but if his heart stopped from doing coke, sucks for him now doesn't it.
Guest El Satanico Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Yes, I'm aware that it is a rather cold and uncaring stance to take. It's not that I don't care that he died, but I don't and never will feel bad about someone who dies from using a drug which they know to be dangerous. Don't give me all that "maybe he was depressed" bullshit, he choose to take the risk period. Oh and I'm far far away from the "moral police" so that has zero to do with how I feel. In fact I'm not against using drugs and I even partake in using light drugs(no serious drug). I fully support the ideal that people should be allowed to do anything they want as long as it doesn't directly hurt someone else. So people can use all the drugs they want, but if they die from the drugs then oh well they aren't getting any sympathy from me. I'd give sympathy to the family, but not the dead.
Guest Vern Gagne Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I'm angry at Curt Henning. I'm angry because he choose to use a substance that can kill you. Using Cocaine or any hard drug shows disreguard for your family and friends. It bothers me that there's a possibility this death didn't have to happen.
Guest RedJed Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Using Cocaine or any hard drug shows disreguard for your family and friends. I don't understand that philosophy of life AT ALL. I understand this in a case of a person who has perhaps been using drugs all his life and in that case, of course it has an effect on family and friends (believe me I know, my dad is just like that) but to make that simple generalization even if someone does a drug ONCE that means you are disregarding your family and friends? Cmon now.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Damn, if Benoit had a heart attack tomorrow from Steroids and Cocaine abuse, I wonder how quick this board would turn on him?
Guest oldschoolwrestling Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Do those who have no sympathy for Curt also feel the same way about someone like Yokozuna, who was overweight and should have gone on a diet to save his own life?
Guest TheGame2705 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Gaining weight happens a just tad bit more naturally then sniffing coke up your nose.
Guest notJames Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I doubt most wrestling fans hold Yokozuna in the same regard as Hennig. Not to disparage against him, just saying... I have a feeling his cocaine use was purely recreational and not a hardcore habit. Perhaps using it in his later years wasn't such a smart idea. The reports say it stopped his heart, no? Maybe he was just too old and his body was under too much stress already from his wrestling to handle the drug. Regarding how I feel about all this, I am of the mind that people should have the right to choose what they do to themselves. I guess I'm an advocate of drug use (even though I don't partake personally) as long as it doesn't endanger anyone else. I don't hold him in any less regard than before this news came out, but I don't feel any sorrier either. We are all adults and know the risks that come with stuff like this. It sucks for his family, who now have to deal with the repercussions of this, but I'm sure Hennig knew (or should have known) what he was getting into. On doit des égards aux vivants; on ne doit aux morts que la vérité.
Guest oldschoolwrestling Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Gaining weight happens a just tad bit more naturally then sniffing coke up your nose. Nothing natural about weighing 550+ pounds. Being overweight is natural. Being hundreds of pounds overweight isn't. Didn't Vince fire Yokozuna because he was concerned about his weight and didnt' want him to die in the ring? Almost as bad as being fired for using drugs. Almost.
Guest notJames Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 He also had that Pacific Islander thing going for him, where he was naturally pre-disposed to amassing fat cells. Kinda like Tony Rocky Horror from Pulp Fiction. Of course, this doesn't excuse that amount of excess; sometimes you just have to say no to a fifth helping.
Guest mach7 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Well if this is true, then hopefully the banners start coming down now since his death was drug induced. It sucks that he died, but those who kill themselves with drugs they know to be dangerous don't deserve sympathy. Well that's a pretty callous way of looking at things. You don't know his circumstance and you haven't lived his life.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Curt might've not been Mr. Perfect in real life, he might've been a drug and steroid abuser, but i could give 2 shits of what he did behind close doors b/c he never tried to push his bad habits on anybody else so we should let the man's poor soul rest in peace and remember him for entertaining us in the ring.
Guest mach7 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Damn, if Benoit had a heart attack tomorrow from Steroids and Cocaine abuse, I wonder how quick this board would turn on him? I know, sad isn't it? It's like an inate smark thing to suddenly turn on someone if they don't live the lifestyle you want them to.
Guest oldschoolwrestling Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Have any of us ever had known anyone with a drug problem or even ourselves ever have a problem? If it was a friend did you immediately stop being his friend?
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 Damn, if Benoit had a heart attack tomorrow from Steroids and Cocaine abuse, I wonder how quick this board would turn on him? I know, sad isn't it? It's like an inate smark thing to suddenly turn on someone if they don't live the lifestyle you want them to. A lot of these people who have this attitude are the same ones who cry and bitch that it was okay for Kurt Cobain to kill himself because of how unhappy he was and because of his heroin abuse. Go Figure
Guest TheGame2705 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 I feel the same way about Cobain. I have no sympathy for anyone who dies of any kind of drug usage.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 You never had a parent, grandparent, uncle, aunt, etc., who died from cancer from smoking too much? You never had sympathy for them?
Guest TheGame2705 Posted March 26, 2003 Report Posted March 26, 2003 My uncle died from smoking. The ONLY reason I have sympathy for him is that in his culture, smoking was a rite of passage so you had to do it.
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