Guest El Satanico Report post Posted April 1, 2003 The majority of the WCW audiance stopped watching wrestling weekly when WCW shut down. WWF had the misguided perception that "if they watched that crap in WCW, they will love our show." That just wasn't true. Any gain in former WCW fans was minimal and now is almost non-existent. WCW fans were WCW fans. Either they liked the wrestlers, the "feel" WCW had, or something else. When WCW went away, most of these fans did too. The main reason many of us WCW fans didn't tune into WWe after buying WCW was the total disrespect and complete burial that WWe gave to WCW and the WCW wrestlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Smark: Goldberg isn't it true that you've spent years bashing the WWE and vowing to never work for them? Goldberg: I hate HHH you know. If I ever get in the ring with him, I'm likely to rip his fucking head off. Smark: GOOOOLDDDBERGGGG, GOOOOLDDDBERRGGGG!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Invictus 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 As a person I don't like Goldberg. He seems very much to just be pandering to what people want to hear and trying to make himself sound like this selfless hero, when in reality we all know exactly what kind of man he is. That line about being 50-75% is better than 100% of 99.9 % of the people on the planet shows just what a cocky son of a bitch he is. But I will give him a chance on television. If he can pull off some good matches and bring in some new viewer base for the WWE, then I'm all for him. I just don't want to see him getting the WCW monster push again. We already have someone like that on Smackdown! thank you very much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I think it's a fact Goldberg is not a draw. I think it's a fact that you use the word 'fact' way too liberally. You want us to look at the last couple years? You mean when WCW was in a stats of chaos? In the process of going out of business? Leadership changing constantly? Goldberg (and pretty much everyone else) being booked horribly, on the occasions he wasn't out because of injuries? I think it goes without saying that for anyone to be a 'draw', the bookers should not be tanking the company. Goldberg in '98 was definitely a draw and he moved insane amounts of merchandise. But hey, if that's how your logic is, I'll concede your point if you also state that Steve Austin is, for a fact, NOT a draw, because business nose-dived with him on top in 2001. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I think it's a fact Goldberg is not a draw. I think it's a fact that you use the word 'fact' way too liberally. You want us to look at the last couple years? You mean when WCW was in a stats of chaos? In the process of going out of business? Leadership changing constantly? Goldberg (and pretty much everyone else) being booked horribly, on the occasions he wasn't out because of injuries? I think it goes without saying that for anyone to be a 'draw', the bookers should not be tanking the company. Goldberg in '98 was definitely a draw and he moved insane amounts of merchandise. But hey, if that's how your logic is, I'll concede your point if you also state that Steve Austin is, for a fact, NOT a draw, because business nose-dived with him on top in 2001. When the product is bad overall, no one is a draw. It is NOT just up to one person, as I've said a million times, it's up to many guys. It wasn't that Goldberg didn't draw, but rather, WCW didn't fucking draw. Just like WWE is starting not to draw, and just like any company doesn't draw when the product is mainly ass. Hell, Austin and Rocky only drew for a week before the ratings went down after people realized their storyline was stale and they'd seen them go at it so many times before. Bob, you do use the word "fact" way offten. Every time I hear you use it, I think of that girl on Kids In The Hall that would run up to the screen and go "IT'S A FACT!" or something like that, lol. Not putting you down, I'm just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I still don't understand all of the hate for Goldberg. Even out of the ring he sounds like a great ass guy, he is always doing stuff for other people, as he says here. Even this Goldberg mark agrees that he(Goldbitch) is an ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Well personally i think the only way for the WWE to start drawing like they used to is to create new talent with new storylines instead of bringing old has beens and rehashing old angles or writing stupid unfunny skits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I hate the bastard too, but I think if used correctly, he could be a draw. Of course, you could say that about anyone and it would be true... but Goldberg's name still means something. I just think all the Goldberg hate around here makes some dilusional to that I don't hate Goldberg for ending Bret Hart's career, because I know that Bret's days were numbered anyway because of the previous 20+ concussions he sustained I don't hate Goldberg for being a horrible worker, because he's isn't a horrible worker. He's not a great wrestler, but he's not Nathan Jones. Watch the Goldberg/Steiner matches from 2001. The guy can go if given the right opponent I hate Goldberg because of his attitude. Now, being that this is wrestling, you're obviously going to have ego's backstage. Wrestling is driven by jocks like any sport, and with any sport you're going to have guys that think they're above everyone else. However, if you're going to be cocky, you need to have the tools to back it up. Goldberg became a draw because he was in the right place at the right time. He was given the right gimmick, and the COMPANY made him. If Goldberg had the wrestling skill of Kurt Angle and the mic skills of the Rock, then I wouldn't complain so much about his attitude. It just annoys me that someone on the level of say Brock Lesnar (pretty good but not amazingly Benoit-ish) thinks he's God's gift to the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Anyone want to pull up Russo written shows Goldberg main evented versus Russo written shows Goldberg didn't main event? Goldberg drew with one gimmick, one character, given one situation. He couldn't pull off a heel turn nor does he want to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I think it's a fact Goldberg is not a draw. I think it's a fact that you use the word 'fact' way too liberally. You want us to look at the last couple years? You mean when WCW was in a stats of chaos? In the process of going out of business? Leadership changing constantly? Goldberg (and pretty much everyone else) being booked horribly, on the occasions he wasn't out because of injuries? I think it goes without saying that for anyone to be a 'draw', the bookers should not be tanking the company. Goldberg in '98 was definitely a draw and he moved insane amounts of merchandise. But hey, if that's how your logic is, I'll concede your point if you also state that Steve Austin is, for a fact, NOT a draw, because business nose-dived with him on top in 2001. When the product is bad overall, no one is a draw. It is NOT just up to one person, as I've said a million times, it's up to many guys. It wasn't that Goldberg didn't draw, but rather, WCW didn't fucking draw. Just like WWE is starting not to draw, and just like any company doesn't draw when the product is mainly ass. Hell, Austin and Rocky only drew for a week before the ratings went down after people realized their storyline was stale and they'd seen them go at it so many times before. Bob, you do use the word "fact" way offten. Every time I hear you use it, I think of that girl on Kids In The Hall that would run up to the screen and go "IT'S A FACT!" or something like that, lol. Not putting you down, I'm just saying. Wrestlemania and NWO will show if Austin and Rock are draws. It's not Goldberg's fault that he was booked to like shit but it did hurt his drawing power and it is a FACT that shows main evented by Goldberg did not draw. You can claim all the intangibles that you want but Goldberg is simply not a draw and hasn't been for almost 5 years. The buyrates are there for everyone to look up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 He couldn't pull off a heel turn nor does he want to. That's ANOTHER reason to hate the man. He could draw so much money being a monster heel that just destroys everything that it's not even funny...but he's too much of a mark for himself that he has "to do it for the little kids" aka get his fucking money and get out of dodge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I don't hate Goldberg for ending Bret Hart's career, because I know that Bret's days were numbered anyway because of the previous 20+ concussions he sustained When did Bret suffer another concussion, let alone 20, in his career? As for Goldberg, I genuinely dislike him. Not just for the Bret incident, which is a great part of it, but mostly because he's been very unapologetic about the situation. Even in his book, he claims that he was doing "his job" when he kicked Bret in the head like a savage. I'm sorry, but this is professional wrestling, not UFC. There is a difference between being stiff and intentionally hitting someone as hard as you can. Goldberg didn't pull his kick....and never apologized for it either. I'm sure he feels bad about it, but only because people have critized him for it and it's a black eye for his career. Also, although most of you all hate Triple H, in his brief confrontation with Goldberg at the Toy Fair a few years back, Triple H was the professional one. In public, with tons of people watching, Goldberg had the nerve to try and goad Triple H into a legit physical confrontation and that's just unprofessional when you're there to promote your product. Triple H knew better than to do something so stupid. A lot of people here don't agree with Vince Russo and his control over wrestling storylines either, but if you're supposed to turn heel, don't half ass it purposely to turn face. He sabotaged about two or three months worth of PPV's because he didn't want to fully commit himself to the heel role that he had agreed upon ahead of time. I can't blame Goldberg for getting the push that he got...that was all WCW's fault. To throw a guy out there without the proper training and never pulling him aside when he started to seriously injure people is a serious lack of management. Getting over 150+ wins in a row and getting put over the biggest star in the wrestling industry clean without breaking a sweat led him to develop one of the biggest egos the industry has ever seen. He says that he's there to entertain little kids right? Then why go out of your way to make sure you work less dates and house shows where sure enough, little kids would be there. Do you think small children care if they see Goldberg on PPV if they can see him live? Once again, in his book, he stated that he joined wrestling solely for the paycheck and that he had no real passion for the business. Whatever....I've wasted enough breath on his ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 He says that he's there to entertain little kids right? Then why go out of your way to make sure you work less dates and house shows where sure enough, little kids would be there. Do you think small children care if they see Goldberg on PPV if they can see him live? VERY strong point. Little kids go to house shows more than Raws and SDs because it's less expensive to the parents. It's like getting little kids clothes...if you are a parent, you don't want to spend so much money on clothes for your kid...and your kid probably could give two shits what he/she is wearing. If little kids want to see Goldberg, they don't care if they do it at a house show or at Wrestlemania...they just want to see him. Sure it changes when you are older, but he says "he does it for the little kids"...yet he does it for himself and so he can leave at the end of the day and cash his paycheck. I'd say Goldberg is up there with HBK on the "shittiest human being in Pro Wrestling" scale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I will support HHH 100% in any feud with Goldturd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I don't think Goldberg is as bad as Shawn Michaels- I mean he may suck but he isn't THAT bad. I'd support Triple H over Goldberg just because Goldberg having the belt does nothing and I'd rather Triple H lose the belt to someone who could use the win. (Yea I know wishful thinking) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted April 2, 2003 They’ve really got their s*** together here. I’m very happy to see it. God. WCW must have really been bad. I mean really.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 God. WCW must have really been bad. I mean really.... I think the stories of how Nitro's booking wasn't even ready 5 minutes before show time shows you how unorganized that company was. I still laugh at the Jericho/Fed-Ex story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Wrestlemania and NWO will show if Austin and Rock are draws. They get a reprieve? Ok, then Backlash will show if Goldberg is a draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Yes it will. When did I say that it wouldn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Army Eye Report post Posted April 2, 2003 You have said many times it's a fact that he's not a draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Hay d00dz. A show with Goldie and Big Kev is about as entertaining as someone else farting in an elevator. No thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 2, 2003 He hasn't been a draw for almost 5 years making it a fact that as of now he is not a draw. Maybe, though highly unlikely, things will change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted April 2, 2003 Well, if nothing else, Downhome likes both Diesel and 'Berg, so his complaints about the show being a bore anymore have gone. Giving up Jericho and Booker is going to be sad though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I Suppose you all got the Universal Soldier 2 and Ready to Rumble just to see Goldberg heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted April 2, 2003 I Suppose you all got the Universal Soldier 2 and Ready to Rumble just to see Goldberg heh. I say he was screwed out of the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites