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May 5th

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Guest razazteca

Why buy the PPV if your going to boycott the tv show? It just seems hypocriticial and pointless to me.

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i dont buy neither and wont in a day of my life buy wwe merchandise. it looks stupid walking around with a stone cold said so shirt on. maybe if they bring back dx...

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Guest JDMattitudeV1
I think suggesting that everyone should not buy PPVs or any WWE merchandise would be more effective than only boycotting the show on a certain day.

That is exactly what I have done. Ever since we lost Smackdown and PPV's here in Australia I have not bought a single WWE product. I used to buy nearly all their DVDs (I have 20 of them) and the odd magazine now and then, but after that debacle I refuse to. I could have watched Wresltemania at the cinemas but chose to keep my money and instead buy the NWA/TNA event when Raven and Jarrett finally meet.

 

Boycotting Raw on the 6th of May (that’s when we get Raw) will prove absolutely nothing for me, but for those in the USA who want to it is worth a shot, what harm can it do? However those who still want to watch I understand their point of view.

 

I personally have written several polite e-mails to the WWE and signed several online petitions but they don't seem to get the point. They treat me (and the rest of their) fans like shit so therefore they don't deserve a single cent of my money.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

It's not no-sold, as I have said before - this is all brain-storming. Everything is considered as a way to send a message to the WWE - to make our voices heard.

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Guest MarvinisaLunatic

The stupid thing about this boycott is that its for one day and one show only. Nothing is going to change just because you boycott one RAW. In fact, the whole basis of the boycott happening on May 5th because of sweeps is flawed for this reason. May Sweeps last all month, and I would imagine that they average the ratings for each week when they come up with a final number for the ad rates and such. The majority of the people who boycott the May 5th edition of Raw will be right back in front of the TV watching Smackdown on the 8th or Raw on the 12th. And don't even get me started on the fact that the people who do decide to boycott RAW on the 5th will probably read a recap of the show by tuesday morning.

 

I think there are a few people who would be committed enough to this idea to do the whole month, but you will not get enough people, some of who rely on wrestling as a main part of their spare time (writing recaps, news for sites, watch wrestling out of habit, etc..) to boycott the WWE for the whole month. And until there is that level of committment from enough people, this idea is a rediculous waste of time.

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Guest razazteca

Might as well boycott everything, as just threatening to boycott one show will be misunderstood by WWE as legit brand extension cred so boycott all WWE programs, merchandise, house shows etc....

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

To just stop watching will mean nothing because the WWE will see it as just another statistic. It's a combination of things that surrounds the boycott that really can make it work.

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Guest Downhome

The only way for it to work is to get a MASS ammount of people to boycott EVERYTHING WWE. EVERY show, EVERY PPV, and ALL other WWE products.

 

Are you willing to go that far in hopes that it helps?

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Guest razazteca

If you do by chance go to a house show you must turn your back or leave when HHH has a match.

 

Remember HHH vs Bubba Dudley

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Guest Jobber of the Week
If you do by chance go to a house show you must turn your back or leave when HHH has a match.

Uh. I hate to tell you this, but he's far from the only problem here.

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Guest snuffbox
If you do by chance go to a house show you must turn your back or leave when HHH has a match.

Uh. I hate to tell you this, but he's far from the only problem here.

But hes supposed to be a mainevent player...so a mass exodus during his match would be noteworthy.

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Guest snuffbox

TripleR, whats the current list of people interested in this?

 

I just got back to the thread. I still think a rallying of interested peolple followed by a barrage of mailings would do alot. And some organized support for NWATnA.

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Guest Downhome
Downhome, how do you know unless you try?

What do you mean? I'm just saying that you will only do any good if you do a MASS FULL boycott, of all that is WWE.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Latino Heat

Sakura

MaxPower

CreativeName

RavishingRickRudo

JDMattitude

Lord of the Curry

Snuffbox

ShatteredDreams

 

>From the last count.

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Guest C-Bacon

Well, im in , but i don't know how much consideration the WWE puts into the ratings they get from TSN as basis for their viewership as a whole. Heck, i dont even watch RAW anyway, i just tape it and if i hear that anything interesting happened, i;ll watch the tape if not tape it over with next weeks show

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

C-bacon, you're canadian? Good! TSN has been open to putting on alternatives (from UFC, to UCC, to UWF-i). Canadians have a better chance to have our voices heard than any one else.

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Guest C-Bacon
C-bacon, you're canadian? Good! TSN has been open to putting on alternatives (from UFC, to UCC, to UWF-i). Canadians have a better chance to have our voices heard than any one else.

Yup, from Mississauga actually, as i recall from The Mayhem board (ugh) i believe your from around Meadowvale no?

 

Anyways, while watching 2 hours of RAW on a Monday night takes away from time I could be using to do homework or waste time on MSN, i'd still be terribly upset if they replaced the show with UFC. But hey, if they don't get the message across then thats what has to be done. Although I don't think that'll be happening since TSN/WWE have a long term contract and their always boasting about how RAW is one of the top rated shows in Canada. Either way, i;ll contribute since i very rarely watch anyway...

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Guest Memoirs of an Invisible Chevy

I am Canadian!!

 

Bow down to Saskatchewan!

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Guest Lord of The Curry

C-Bacon- Me and Rudo are representin' M-City (Mississauga) too!

 

What!

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Even better. It's not about replacing the WWE, it's about offering an alternative. If the UFC gets popular it will put pressure on the WWE to change and better their product. If we can get BorderCity Wrestling TV on SportsNet Ontario or NWA TNA on TSN, or anything like that, then all the better.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Ok, this is what I have thus far for the overall letter/mission statement/etc. Suggestions would be welcomed beyond the "it will never work" that has been said throughout the thread. Keep in mind that this is a rough product, and there are several revisions needed, it is far from complete.

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In late 1997 Vince McMahon came on WWE (Then WWF) television and said that the fans were tired of having their intelligence insulted and demanded a more ‘sophisticated approach’ - that it was his responsibility as owner of the company to give them exactly what they wanted. This of course was the official declaration of “Attitude” and the speech where Vince justified the change in his product from the wholesome “good guy vs. bad guy” approach to the more “adult oriented” storylines. He did this because the fans “demanded” it. Today, we fans demand change once again yet our voice is not being heard.

 

The ‘Attitude Era’ was a reflection of the times. 1998 saw the success of shows like Jerry Springer and South Park; shows that blurred the moral line and provided off-beat enjoyment for millions. That was then, this is now: Times change. Much like in the early-mid 90’s where Vince McMahon clung to the direction that put the WWF on the map in the 80’s, Hulkamania - another product of the times - Vince is doing it now in 2003 with Attitude. Back then McMahon did everything he could to not change the product; He brought back old stars like King Kong Bundy, The Bushwhackers, The British Bulldog, etc; He brought in celebrities like Lawrence Taylor to wrestle; He rehashed old ideas over and over again and tried to work a formula that simply didn’t work any more... Sound Familiar? It should, Vince is doing the exact same thing now. The only difference is McMahon did not have the benefit to learn from his own mistakes - now he does, and he clearly has not learnt a thing.

 

The past year and a half has seen the return of Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and most recently Roddy Piper, Sable, and Bill Goldberg. Each of these personalities were supposed to make the company money, yet the WWE posted a loss for 2002 despite raising prices on Pay-Per-Views and increasing live events. Attendance has fallen, ratings have fallen, buy-rates have fallen, fan interest, above-all-else, has fallen; yet even after the failure of each of these returns Vince McMahon still feels the need to cling to the ghosts of the past. What finally woke him up and made him change his product in 1997 was WCW. WCW was providing a product light-years ahead of the WWF’s and for his own survival Vince had to change. There is no WCW now. No media outlet aside from those on-line will give the WWE the time of day to critique them and ask for change. The WWE wrestlers are too afraid to speak up (and out) because if they do they will be de-pushed, sent to OVW, or even fired and there is no where else in the world that has the job security that is found in the WWE.

 

Vince has shown no willingness to change as he still tries to recapture the fans that left a long time ago because the WWE, like Jerry Springer and South Park, stopped being ‘cool’. He tries to be controversial with ‘The Marriage of Billy and Chuck’, ‘HLA: Hot Lesbian Action’ and the ‘Katie Vick’ angle where ‘World’ Champion HHH simulated sex with a dead woman. The last two angles were completely ignored by the media and the ‘Commitment Ceremony’ drew the same-old, same-old rating. A month later each and every one of these storylines were completely forgotten about by the WWE and they continue to act like it never happened. Not only did they not get controversy, not only did they not get interest, not only did they not get fans from these stunts, but they wasted the time and patience of their loyal fans and insulted their intelligence. With these ‘unsophisticated’ acts the WWE proclaimed loud and clear “Our fans are expendable, our fans don’t matter, we don’t care about our fans”. Since Vince has shown no willingness to change and since there is no one on the outside who can challenge him to change, it is up to us - the fans - to force him and the WWE to change.

 

It can be done.

 

It just takes time and effort; This is not for anyone who does not want to work for change. This is not for someone who does not want to put in the time writing letters and making phone calls to various people and organizations. If you want to do nothing, then do nothing, only know that you will get nothing by doing so. At least in doing something, you open up the possibility - no matter how slim it is - to get change. We deserve to have our voice heard, now let’s demand that it be heard.

 

To dare: that is the whole secret of revolutions.

Antoine Saint-Just

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Guest Lord of The Curry

I'd stand up for applause but all those years of watching Nash wrestle has really influenced me.

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Guest C-Bacon

Very nice.

 

As a side note, do WWE employees honestly believe what their saying when they blame the economy? Im so sick of hearing it, and they must fool themselves into believing otherwise the company wouldn't be stuck in the rut that it's in at the moment...

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Sometimes I really do think that the WWE believes their own bullshit because it's not like they actually CHANGE the product - which they would if they knew something was wrong beyond the economy.

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Guest bravesfan
As a side note, do WWE employees honestly believe what their saying when they blame the economy?

 

Of course not. Think about it; should they readily admit to websites and radio interview about the product sucking, even if it IS true?

 

The long-time employees like Calloway and HBK know what the "status quo" of the company is, and it's better to keep your mouth shut, then lose your cushy position in the company.

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Guest The Wicker Man

Rick Rude, that was a very intelligent, constructive and well thought out address that will hopefully be listened to. The negative aspects were all well covered without looking like a smartass and that has to be repected by someone.

 

But what do you want at the end of this? I know everyone wants a better product and better storylines but that wont happen with the current staff. So It would be nice to see a new creative team drafted in, but on the other hand a letter demanding the mass firing of creative isnt going to bode well. Maybe that is moot anyway because everything gets the all clear and say so from McMahon and obviously he is the one who needs to alter his vision.

 

Downhome ( who has the luxury of having his own personal secretary bitch who takes the time to point out his little mistakes), said it best when he said that the WWE needs competition . Competition equals Inspiration, plus it gives a fresh source to steal some stars and some ideas.

 

Hopefully this protest will see an improvement, whether it be carried out by a boycott or communication. But at the moment things are going wrong due to the misfiring of the creative staff.. and wouldnt a successful protest just encourage more and more of the same ideas by the same creative team? If they are this desperate to bring back stars like the nWo and Sable or whatever.. what other shit is going to happen if that this protest is successful? it would probably make them even more desperate.. rather than make them sit down and absorb the intelligent observations made in that post.

 

Maybe im making too much of this, but im just trying to see all sides of this subject. You did a good job of outlining the problems, but what would fix them?

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Guest snuffbox

But hes supposed to be a mainevent player...so a mass exodus during his match would be noteworthy.

Didn't that already happen when he was feuding with Buh Buh?

yes...and im sure it was noticed, and if it became a regular thing it would definitly be noticed.

 

a walkout during certain matches would be hard-impossible to organize. so that may/may not really be an option.

 

and thats a good creed there TripleR...it should be considered for the main site imo.

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