Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 9, 2003 If your watching Fox News a lot of Iraqi citizens have hit the streets of Michigan and are having a big celebration. It's a pretty interesting sight to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 9, 2003 For what exactly? I never thought of Michigan as a Iraqi Hotbed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted April 9, 2003 My guess would be because US Troops are in the middle of Baghdad hauling down statues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Michigan has the biggest population of Iraqi Americans. They started a little after the big statue came down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Powerplay Report post Posted April 9, 2003 For what exactly? I never thought of Michigan as a Iraqi Hotbed... Dearborn has the biggest concentration of Arab peoples outside of the Middle East. I can't give you an exact number, but it is amazing how many are actually here. Throughout the War on Terror it's kinda scary to go to Detroit now, since if there were a sleeper cell it would probably be in Dearborn. Not a hit on any outstanding Arab-Americans, but just if they wanted to hide, this would be the spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Why did Arab-Americans migrate to Michigan? Why Michigan? I've always wondered that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Maybe they like Losing alot or something...Seriously...I thought Florida would've been The Hotbed of Iraqis...being Hot and all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Powerplay Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Maybe they like Losing alot or something...Seriously...I thought Florida would've been The Hotbed of Iraqis...being Hot and all... Losing what? We are still the team to beat in Hockey and we have a damn good Basketball team at the moment. Where you from, boyo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Hockey is meaningless BOYO. Good Basketball team? You mean The Dullstown Pistons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Powerplay Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Hockey is meaningless BOYO. Good Basketball team? You mean The Dullstown Pistons? Hockey does't matter? What, are you from New York or something ? Dullstown, eh? Again, where you from? Right now we are second in the East. How do you explain that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 9, 2003 You might be second but They are still tremendously boring and I *LIKE* defensive games...They are just dull people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Is Yzerman an arab? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Maybe they like Losing alot or something...Seriously...I thought Florida would've been The Hotbed of Iraqis...being Hot and all... I would have guessed Arizona or Nevada considering the arid climate and desert, it would be more like the Middle East. But if they like Dearborn then more power to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted April 9, 2003 I believe it's because they come across from Canada into the US...that doesnt explain why exactly Michigan but it explains a little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Well, considering that Detroit is actually north of Toronto (the point being that the two cities are very close geographically), that might explain quite a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted April 9, 2003 They like our lakes, bitch. Seriously though, Dearborn is very VERY arab. I've been through there a number of times for indy shows. I'm happy for them and all, but I don't know why they came to Michigan. MOst of the Arabs here are pretty rude though, the ones I've delt with anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 9, 2003 I'm happy for them and all, but I don't know why they came to Michigan. MOst of the Arabs here are pretty rude though, the ones I've delt with anyway. I've noticed that too and I think it has to do with a cultural superiority complex that they (along with most other religions) have. The older ones are generally the rudest, especially the men. It may not even be rudeness to them though, who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted April 9, 2003 I'm happy for them and all, but I don't know why they came to Michigan. MOst of the Arabs here are pretty rude though, the ones I've delt with anyway. I've noticed that too and I think it has to do with a cultural superiority complex that they (along with most other religions) have. The older ones are generally the rudest, especially the men. It may not even be rudeness to them though, who knows? And I hate to say that about a group of people. But the majority I delt with in school and the majority that I've delt with in my dad's store have just left me with a bad impression of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Well that's because they HATE Americans. Seriously. WHich is what worries me most about this Iraq thing. Dont you think it's been a little TOO easy fopr us to just walz into Baghdad and take over? Something is up. Saddam and his sons are alive and well i'm sure since there is NO way the enemy would admit defeat after all their "we're gonna win" talk over the past 2 weeks. Put it this way. Does it scare you that our troops are now surrounded by alot of people that really dont like Americans? Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iran...etc. I'm a bit nervous about the simplicity thus far is all so please don't go flaming me for sayin this. It's just a skeptical way to look at this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 9, 2003 Not really. These people won't mess with Isreal, who they hate more than us, and they only have a fraction of the military that we do. They may hate us but most of them don't want to mess with our military. And think of us walking into Baghdad like a boxing match. Sometimes after you've pounded on your opponent and caused enough damage they'll just fall over and that's the end of it. Obviously the Iraqi people have no will to fight for Saddam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Well that's because they HATE Americans. Seriously. WHich is what worries me most about this Iraq thing. Dont you think it's been a little TOO easy fopr us to just walz into Baghdad and take over? Something is up. Saddam and his sons are alive and well i'm sure since there is NO way the enemy would admit defeat after all their "we're gonna win" talk over the past 2 weeks. Put it this way. Does it scare you that our troops are now surrounded by alot of people that really dont like Americans? Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iran...etc. I'm a bit nervous about the simplicity thus far is all so please don't go flaming me for sayin this. It's just a skeptical way to look at this. Hitler thought he was going to win too and said so many times and spread tons of propaganda claiming that they would win. They didn't and he killed himself. I'm starting to think that we killed Saddam and his kids the other day and that led to their UN Ambassador to say that "the game is over". Saudi Arabis would never start with us, nor would any of the otehr Middle Eastern countries they know it would be a suicide mission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Well it sounds like Rumsfield is about ready to call out Syria as next on the list. They have been mentioned the most since this war started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Suicide Mission, Yea, those guys are really afraid of THAT. Keep in mind that the mentality of these people is that the more Evil Americans they eliminate by sacrificing their own life, the closer to their god they get. Remember this is ALL about religion over in the Mid-East. It always has been since the friggin crusades and it always will be til the end of humanity. America getting involved in this shit year ago til now is just putting us in danger. I'm sick and tired of the ego trip that most American people are on thinking that we are smarter, more powerful, and just plain better than the rest of the world. Ya know what? The rest of the world is sick of it too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Powerplay Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Suicide Mission, Yea, those guys are really afraid of THAT. Keep in mind that the mentality of these people is that the more Evil Americans they eliminate by sacrificing their own life, the closer to their god they get. Remember this is ALL about religion over in the Mid-East. It always has been since the friggin crusades and it always will be til the end of humanity. America getting involved in this shit year ago til now is just putting us in danger. I'm sick and tired of the ego trip that most American people are on thinking that we are smarter, more powerful, and just plain better than the rest of the world. Ya know what? The rest of the world is sick of it too... They are okay with Suicide Missions that could kill a reasonable amount of us for just their lives. We have the capability to absolutely ANIHILATE the Middle East in moments if it comes down to it. There isn't a point to doing something when your whole culture can be wiped off the planet in a matter of moments. Hell, in a ground campaign we could utterly lay them to waste. Anything Israel can do WE can do 100X worse. They do NOT want their culture to be eliminated from history. We've been 'in danger' for quite a while now, ever since we said "Hey, Israel should be able to exist." Do you remember the Iranian Hostage situation, or the first World Trade Center Bombing? Personally, I'm tired of you spouting crap all the time about how America is horrible, that we are dumbasses, and that we deserve all the unnecessary heaped upon us. We give more foreign aid to countries in trouble than ANY OTHER country. Earthquake in a third world country? America is there sending aid. Hurricane in a small Island republic? America is there. Where is the UN? Debating whether or not the mass killing of 800,000 people is genocide or not. We just liberated an oppressed people and killed (most likely) one of the most horrible leaders of all time. Now explain to me why I don't hold some sort of moral superiority over the French (Who were trying to stop this at all costs) while watching those people celebrate? Personally, I'm sick of the World being pissed off at us for having it better than them. We DO have the best country in the World. We actually act on things, rather than debating it to make it look as if we actually care but instead are just trying to hold onto the Status Quo. Fuck them if they get pissy for us liberating Iraq. All I need to see are those crowds of happy people and I know who was really right... Well that's because they HATE Americans. Seriously. WHich is what worries me most about this Iraq thing. Dont you think it's been a little TOO easy fopr us to just walz into Baghdad and take over? Something is up. Saddam and his sons are alive and well i'm sure since there is NO way the enemy would admit defeat after all their "we're gonna win" talk over the past 2 weeks. I think this is probably the statement that I utterly despise the most. Why should Arab-Americans hate us? What the hell did we do to them besides give them a free country to live in, schools to educate their children in (That are free of radical bias, as well), the chance become successful and own their own business, and God only knows how many other perks. Secondly: Did you notice it was this easy last time we fought Iraq? And hey, nothing was up then, either. Is it that hard to fathom the Iraqi Military just being that full of people who A) Don't want to fight and just desert or B) Want to fight, but aren't close to the level our Marines are at or C) Can fight and want to, but hey, that Apache Helicopter just nailed them? I like how you just KNOW Saddam and his sons are alive. I mean, he's just that damn good, isn't he? I mean, that's why he's had all these amazing PRE-RECORDED public speeches and running around in public while NOT SPEAKING A WORD. This ain't suspicious at all, right? Hey, you know who also said that "We are going to win" thing all the time? Josef Goebbels, Nazi propaganda master. Whatever happened to him, anyways? Gee, I wonder if he won... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Muslims hate Americans because of religion. The fact that we INTERFERE with them for our own personal gain is just plain retarded and fules the fire more. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about me and my personal beliefs, I just like to get them out because eventually something is going to happen that will make people like you realize just how right I am. The Nazi's believed that they were more powerful than any other nation in the world, so of course they would claim victory is inevitable. Iraq KNOWS it has a far inferior military, which is why they used tactics like dressing as civilians and other sneaky shit. They know they can't beat out military with their military. I'm just not going to count out the fact that weak forces are still the most shifty and dangerous. As far as I know the Nazi's didn't have Chemicals to use against it's enemies. Or Nukes for that matter. Times are quite different now then they were when Hitler was pulling his shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Again you don't listen. They hate the Jews about 100x more than they hate Americans. They mostly hate us over supporting Israel. You don't see them actually trying to attack Israel. You know why? Because while they hate Israel they know that if they go after the military that they won't win. So they resort to homicide bombings to kill civilians. Not every Arab is willing to fly a plane into a building. In fact I'd say 95% of them will bitch about America till they're blue in the face but they know what would happen if they push the U.S. too far. I seem to remember the fear in a lot of Arab leaders' faces when those maniacs flew planes into the WTC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted April 10, 2003 I seem to remember the Celebrations in the streets over there when those planes flew into those buildings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Their military may be "Inferior" to ours, but that might be just a case of US Air Power more than that our Marines are just "better" than their military.. ..In 1991, they had the 3rd largest army in the world (2nd is the US and 1st is China, same with today), and it took a Coalition of over 30+ nations who organized a force of 500,000+ to beat an army of 250,000, occupying Kuwait. In other words, if it was just straight US Ground Force vs. Iraqi Ground Force, this war would have been a lot closer and more like Vietnam. I dare say we probably could have lost that, and the US Marines are HIGHLY HIGHLY overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted April 10, 2003 How are US Marines highly overrated? For one, since the first Gulf War, their military hasn't really advanced very far with their technology. I think it's safe to say that ours has. Ground War to Ground War is a silly scenario because military is military and we have a boss Air Force at our disposal. It moved the war quickly, made fairly sure it didn't bomb buildings that didn't need to be bombed, and outclassed them. Plus, big issue here: Morale. A country where citizens are dancing in the streets and pelting statues of their own leader with their shoes doesn't scream Patriotism. Most of the cells of resistance were the high-paid Republican Guard, as I understand it, who had monetary gain. There was a hell of a lot more surrendering than there was resistance as I've seen. Morale and pride are sometimes the greatest assets of any military . . . Saddam dug his own grave on both fronts in the grand scheme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 10, 2003 Ground war to ground war IS a silly scenario, but it's one that is often cited up above, as if saying the US Air Force and all the bombings and strikes haven't done much to soften up or kill the enemy. And I think it's ridiculous with how supposedly easy this whoel war has been, how many "friendly fire" and "accidental" deaths have occured. If we're so highly trained how fucking hard is it NOT TO SHOOT AT YOUR OWN GUY?!?!?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
