The Mechanics of certain moves.....

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

You know it seems that in the WWE over the years moves have gotten increasingly flashier. But in all the flashiness they make absolutely no sense. A lot of moves it seems make no sense. You look at it and go "Wow that was pretty......how did it hurt?" and they're super over crowds.

I've needed a good laugh and I'm sure some of you will bring the funny talking about moves today that make no sense and wondering why they hurt.

Oh and something about an old school move a friend at work pointed out:

"So here's the mechanics of the claw hold. The guy grabs your face and the fans are like "Eh....." and then he grabs his wrist and the fans go fucking nuts! Why?"

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Because we are stupid marks...

 

just like what was said a few weeks ago...shouldn't the back suplex hurt both guys the same....

 

Is a chokeslam really all that feasible without tearing someone's head off or having the guy getting choked HELP...

 

You'd think Bubba might sell sitting through a table a little better...cause even though he isn't really taking a full hit...it would still hurt...

 

and why is the People's Elbow better than a regular elbow...same for the FU Elbow, the Worm, Hogan's Legdrop....etc etc etc...

 

it's all been done before...it's all been discussed before

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Who cares...I think it's funny and it hasn't been discussed in a while. All threads invariabley lead to repeats. How many times have we seen an announcer goof up thread?

Anyways...........I really want to know why moves are so much flashier nowadays but look less painful. Can't they make them you know....flashier and painful looking. Or is it a tradeoff? Like you have to spin a guy over your head now before dropping him on his stomach rather than just dropping him on his stomach?

[Guest AndrewTS]

The 6-1-9 and Stinkface are very contrived, since the opponents often fall RIGHT INTO POSITION for it. It wouldn't be so bad if they were physically put in the right position for it, but as it is...

 

The 6-1-9 is a decent move--it looks like it would definitely hurt. The Stinkface should be banned. If not, then they should be allowing the Testicular Claw and Titty Twister German Suplex in matches.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

the *SPIN* adds suspense and pain....and maybe even a dizzying way to counter it... or something

 

Why does Rock always have to stand gaurd for the Rock Bottom...can't he just spin the fucker around like Austin does...

 

does Shawn REALLY need to cue up the band before kicking a guy in the face....

 

it's just a bit of stupid showmanship...

[Guest razazteca]

I remember back in WCW the 619 was just a taunt, as Rey would never use that as a spot. Rey would throw somebody to the outside or the ropes then run real fast as if he would tope but just spin back inside the ring as a tease then pose for a cheer, how this became a spot with a kick to the face I would never know.

[Guest Dace59]

It's the flash to pop the crowds, and then the move needs propper selling and booking of it to get it over, and make it believible a bit.

 

But some moves are just so stiff, they work anyway, like the Westarn Lariat.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I remember back in WCW the 619 was just a taunt, as Rey would never use that as a spot. Rey would throw somebody to the outside or the ropes then run real fast as if he would tope but just spin back inside the ring as a tease then pose for a cheer, how this became a spot with a kick to the face I would never know.

It wasn't called the 619, it was just a trademark fake out. I guess some one saw the old tapes, came up with a cool idea to use it as an offensive move, and suggested it to Rey. Or maybe Rey came up with it himself.

 

I have no complaints about it myself, just that they set it up more believably.

[Guest Dace59]

Yep, if people fell into the 619 possition all the time in spots, or he had a proper set up move fore it, it would be ok, but neither of those are true.

So it looks very contrived.

[Guest notJames]

It wasn't called the 619, it was just a trademark fake out.

Hence its original name, the Tiger Feign.

[Guest creativename]

Yep, if people fell into the 619 possition all the time in spots, or he had a proper set up move fore it, it would be ok, but neither of those are true.

So it looks very contrived.

Actually, those rare occassions when the guy falls on the ropes after a high-impact move where it makes sense he wouldn't move for a few seconds, and Rey instantly goes for the 619 without any taunting, it does look like a believable move (or at least, as believable as any wrestling move).

 

I really don't like it in the uber-contrived situations, even though I'm a Rey mark.

[The Dames 0]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex. He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

[Guest notJames]

And what's with the Styles Clash? How is that supposed to hurt? If the attacker has his arms around the victim, his arms take the brunt of the impact. Whassupwidat?

 

And not for nothing, but Trish has got to do something about her Stratusfaction. It's so obvious that her opponents lift her into the springboard that it borders business-exposing levels.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex. He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

Actually if the move was done like it was in SYM, I'd buy it up like candy. But ya, all he's doing is spinning.

 

And really how can a jumping arm breaker hurt? I mean you hit the arm ONTO yourself. Wouldn't that move hurt you as well as your opponent?

[Guest Mad Dog]

I think the Styles Clash would be the weight of A.J. coming down on top of you and knocking the wind out of you.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Trish has got to do something about her Stratusfaction. It's so obvious that her opponents lift her into the springboard that it borders business-exposing levels.

Agreed, but "borderline" my ass, since it couldn't look any faker. Maybe she could do it like a Tornado DDT or something. It looks absolutely terrible to see her literally carried to the finish.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex.  He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

Actually if the move was done like it was in SYM, I'd buy it up like candy. But ya, all he's doing is spinning.

The Judgment Slam looks good, though. Is that a variation he did at a Judgment Day? Or a "botched" version we won't see him do purposely?

[Guest razazteca]

It wasn't called the 619, it was just a trademark fake out.

Hence its original name, the Tiger Feign.

I have seen Black Tiger 3 use this move for offense before Rey Mysterio Jr did it in WWE, so is he responsible for its orgin?

[Guest AndrewTS]

It wasn't called the 619, it was just a trademark fake out.

Hence its original name, the Tiger Feign.

I have seen Black Tiger 3 use this move for offense before Rey Mysterio Jr did it in WWE, so is he responsible for its orgin?

How soon before his debut? Because a friend of mine went to one of the SDs where Billy and Chuck faced Hogan and Edge, which was shortly before his debut. He described Rey doing what would be known as the 619 in dark matches. So dunno how long ago he started using the move.

[Guest The Upright Man]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex.  He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

Actually if the move was done like it was in SYM, I'd buy it up like candy. But ya, all he's doing is spinning.

The Judgment Slam looks good, though. Is that a variation he did at a Judgment Day? Or a "botched" version we won't see him do purposely?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the move that you're referring to is former CZW wrestler Justice Pain's finisher. He called it The Pain Thriller. To my knowledge, Angle has never done the move.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Bringing in Piper is a move that looks kinda flashy...but seems like its going to hurt....but probably won't hurt anything besides Vince's wallet

[Guest AndrewTS]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex.  He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

Actually if the move was done like it was in SYM, I'd buy it up like candy. But ya, all he's doing is spinning.

The Judgment Slam looks good, though. Is that a variation he did at a Judgment Day? Or a "botched" version we won't see him do purposely?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the move that you're referring to is former CZW wrestler Justice Pain's finisher. He called it The Pain Thriller. To my knowledge, Angle has never done the move.

Hmm...okay. It does look like a modified Angle Slam, though.

[Guest Steviekick]

Spike Dudley's Acid Drop is the most unbeliveably unrealistic move i can think of.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Funny you mention the Acid Drop.

 

My friend and I were discussing how much more believable Silced Bread #2 was opposed to the Acid Drop.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Spike Dudley's Acid Drop is the most unbeliveably unrealistic move i can think of.

Yeah. It's in the same boat as the Stratusfaction.

[Guest Ace309]

just like what was said a few weeks ago...shouldn't the back suplex hurt both guys the same....

 

See, what you're forgetting is that the guy taking the move is lifted and slammed with no ability to control his fall, whereas the guy doing the suplex is in perfect control the whole time.

 

Granted, the way they do it (falling straight back) doesn't show it very well, but with a back arch it's a very legitimate Greco-Roman move.

[Guest Anglesault]

Spike Dudley's Acid Drop is the most unbeliveably unrealistic move i can think of.

Yeah. It's in the same boat as the Stratusfaction.

I can attest to that. Like a year and a half ago me and my friend were wrestling and he wanted to try an acid drop. I litterally had to pick him up, spin, and fall forward. I gave myself a black eye.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

The Angle Slam looks like it should hurt less than a back suplex.  He's just SPINNING for God's Sake!

 

Dames

Actually if the move was done like it was in SYM, I'd buy it up like candy. But ya, all he's doing is spinning.

 

And really how can a jumping arm breaker hurt? I mean you hit the arm ONTO yourself. Wouldn't that move hurt you as well as your opponent?

Physics, Newtons 3rd or so Law, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

The force onto your shoulder is equal to the force on his shoulder, but the angle of impact affects the shoulders differently. The same amount of force applied to one side of a joint could and does often do more damage than the same force applied to the other side of the very same joint.

 

Same thing with a punch, the force from his head to your fist is the same, but the head cannot sustain the same level of force and function as effectively as the hand.

[Guest phoenixrising]

I was reading this and trying to come up with an incredibly contrived idea to explain how moves like the People's Elbow, Worm, and Hogan's Leg Drop - moves that usually aren't finishers but become one shot-one kill finishers work.

 

Obviously these types of moves (elbow drop, leg drop, chop) are usually used by several wrestlers and may or may not be finishers, but when used by certain wrestlers they become extremely effective finishers. So here's my idea...Often in athletic events a raucous crowd can help athletes perform much better than they normally would...this is why having the "home crowd" is such a great advantage. When these moves are used, the wrestler usually does something to announce to the crowd the move is coming (Rock - stand over opponent, throw elbow pad to crowd and swing arms; Scotty 2 Hotty - Worm Dance; Hogan - waving hand in circular motion three times before putting hand to ear). When this happens the crowd explodes and reacts. The wrestler then is able to channel this energy and make what would ordinarily be a setup move an extremely powerful finishing manuever. Thus a 400 pound Rikishi can do leg drops all the time and never get a pin, but Hogan can pin pretty much every big name in the business with a simple leg drop.

 

There's my incredibly contrived explanation.

[Guest phoenixrising]

Trish's Stratusfaction used to be pretty believable when she first started doing it and it looked like she was actually running up the ropes. Now everyone practically has to get her in the backdrop position while she flails her legs in the direction of the ropes in a sad attempt to look like she's running off it. She needs to start using another finisher, either the Chick Kick or the handstand hurricarana.

 

Spike's Acid Drop - He rarely hits it, it seems like a way to get Spike high enough so he can get tossed out of the ring from a greater height and have more time to prepare for the fall than being an effective finisher. Also, it's really the only believeable way a guy as little as Spike could convincingly hurt someone - drive their face into the ground off a turnbuckle jump.

 

Here's a move that looks cool but I have no idea what it's supposed to affect - Reno's Roll the Dice/Test's Overdrive. What the hell is it doing?