Notes for next week's Smackdown

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Nash, HBK, Booker T vs. HHH, Jericho, Ric Flair

Piper vs. Hogan

Goldberg vs. Rock

Nowinski vs. Steiner

Torrie vs. Sable

RVD/Kane vs. Storm and Morley

Cena vs. Brock Lesnar

Team Angle vs. ???

 

 

Oh my God.

 

What have you done?

If Nowinski beats Steiner clean I will order the replay of Backlash.

 

 

Don't screw it up, WWE.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Ah well, at least it keeps the old guys out of the title picture, unlike last year's Backlash

 

Wait a minute...

I also predict that someone will say "at least it keeps the old folks out of the title picture"

 

OMG WTF?!?!?!

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

*cough*

 

ahem...

 

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[Guest tank_abbott]

I've been watching wrestling since before the 1st Piper/hogan fued took place, so I'll gladly watch it again for a nostagia trip....

 

And AndrewTS...Please Go away...If you can't be a good sheep and like what they are presenting you...DON"T WATCH....DON'T READ FORUMS...AND QUIT BITCHING ALL THE TIME...I say this often but it holds true...you all are so hard to take serious because all you do is piss and moan

 

And WWF mocked Age in a Cage because it was the TOP DRAW...Here it will be a Mid/upper card Nostagia Trip for MARKS like myself...

 

So Bring on Nathan Jones...PUSH HHH...and God Bless the US of A!

 

PS Back to Kayfabe memories I go....at least on there forums all they complain about on every post is how today's product is so unwatchable compared to the past...Geez that sounds familiar!

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

And we're expected to take you seriously? How do you figure?

[Guest the pinjockey]

And WWF mocked Age in a Cage because it was the TOP DRAW...Here it will be a Mid/upper card Nostagia Trip for MARKS like myself...

You're telling me that a Piper/Hogan match would not be pushed as the top match from SD?

[Guest tank_abbott]

Take me seriously cause I'm the veteren of the board...I've been watching for 20 years...I've watched the ups and downs, twists and turns...

 

And I enjoy pro wrestling....You guys seem to want some quasi NCAA wrestling exhibition, since a great many of you can't stand the power move wrestlers, but mark for the ground/mat workers...

 

Me? I enjoy it ALL! From Hogan to Beniot to Brock....to the visonary that is Vincent Kennedy McMahon. I enjoy the product, I accept whats fed to me, and I don't try to pretend crying on a EZBOARD will make a lick of difference...Ta ta

[Guest tank_abbott]

And WWF mocked Age in a Cage because it was the TOP DRAW...Here it will be a Mid/upper card Nostagia Trip for MARKS like myself...

You're telling me that a Piper/Hogan match would not be pushed as the top match from SD?

It only makes since to PUSH the match, since promoting is generally how you make the fans care/ sell tickets....

 

Not that I'm implying that pushing Beniot vs Whoever wouldn't be a better idea, but really is complaining going to help anything?

 

You don't like it, don't watch it.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I still love this whole can't stand power wrestlers generalization. Everyone seems to like a good power wrestler. People like-love Vader. What power wrestlers are there in the WWF right now that are good?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

So you want everyone to think the same way as you? Heck, make it easy on yourself and find a board that is more accepting of your "be a SHEEP" viewpoints instead of trying to purge out those like AndrewTS over here.

 

And I doubt taking a condescending "I've been watching for TWENTY YEARS" attitude will get you anywhere here, and most probably anywhere else. No one cares how long a particular poster has been watching.

[Guest the pinjockey]

You don't like it, don't watch it.

Sounds like the plan I have for Backlash.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I've been watching for 20 years

"I'm 20 years old" - you taken from the Bad Wed Dreams Incidents thread you started

 

That is pretty impressive that you have been able to watch wrestling and recall it all since the day you were born.

[Guest tank_abbott]

i'll be 21 in july, I've been watching since I was 2, so 19 years is more like it, excuse me....

 

and yes my baby book confirms I was saying "Hulk Hogan" while still in diapers

[Guest tank_abbott]

I think anyone who complains about today's product should go back and watch some RAWS from 93, where Bastion Booger vs Doink the Clown was considered a Raw worthy main event, or even 1983, where ALOT of old farts were still being pushed as the top stars (Fuji, Strongbow, Pedro, Afa etc) and The IRON Shiek of all people was a main event level guy.

Of course there were a couple of youngsters kickin around (Patera/Backlund/Slaughter were all in there early to mid 30's at that point) Give or take a few years

 

(I just realized the irony of me complaining about how much complaining goes on around here...)

[Guest AndrewTS]

And WWF mocked Age in a Cage because it was the TOP DRAW...Here it will be a Mid/upper card Nostagia Trip for MARKS like myself...

You're telling me that a Piper/Hogan match would not be pushed as the top match from SD?

It only makes since to PUSH the match, since promoting is generally how you make the fans care/ sell tickets....

 

Not that I'm implying that pushing Beniot vs Whoever wouldn't be a better idea, but really is complaining going to help anything?

 

You don't like it, don't watch it.

How much airtime was devoted to Hogan vs. Vince as opposed to Brock and Angle for the weeks leading up to Wrestlemania?

 

What do you expect will happen for Hogan vs. Piper? And do you think it will be pushed less or more than Brock's match at Backlash?

 

Of course, they could have had interview time for Angle and likely Brock's challenger will get some interview time. I guess Brock won't be getting any airtime aside from his matches since he can't talk, but they could easily use the airtime for anything more worthy.

 

If you will happily, and admittedly, be "a good sheep" and swallow anything Vince gives you, you're on the wrong board. I think there are some AOL WWE chatrooms that would suit you just fine out there.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I just realized the irony of me complaining about how much complaining goes on around here...

About time.

 

Anyway, I believe the majority of the complaining is done by those that know full well that the difference between what WWE does and what WWE is/was capable of is great. In 1993, the talent pool was rather shallow, and with a few exceptions what was there wasn't talent that was that good. The same can't be said for those on the roster a decade later.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I still love this whole can't stand power wrestlers generalization. Everyone seems to like a good power wrestler. People like-love Vader. What power wrestlers are there in the WWF right now that are good?

Brock Lesnar

[Guest AndrewTS]

So we should accept mediocrity because it was once much worse?

 

And "don't watch" is my solution to Raw. However, now Smackdown is becoming unwatchable and I do not like that. Of course I'm going to bitch.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Considering your memory doesn't really kick in until you're about 6 years old, and your independence/free will doesnt come till about roughly 8-12 (depending on your life and upbringing), saying you've been watching it no matter what all your life is a moot point.

 

Also, AndrewTS is an ACTUAL board vet. You're only at about 500 posts, so if you're truyl a board "Vet" as you say, you haven't really put in that much in the way of posts and such. Plus, I didn't really start recognizing you till about a couple months ago too...

[Guest tank_abbott]

So you want everyone to think the same way as you? Heck, make it easy on yourself and find a board that is more accepting of your "be a SHEEP" viewpoints instead of trying to purge out those like AndrewTS over here.

 

And I doubt taking a condescending "I've been watching for TWENTY YEARS" attitude will get you anywhere here, and most probably anywhere else. No one cares how long a particular poster has been watching.

I'm not asking any one to agree with my view point, I'm just curious as to what the great many of you think bitching for 10,000 posts (Well 9,000 maybe) is going to accomplish?

 

Does it make you feel better to know that a rag tag group of 200 or so people around the country (World?) will learn of your displeasure?

 

The way i see it, VKM's built it, so its his choice to fiddle with while it burns.

 

Vince will be the one losing $$$ not anyone here...

 

*Goes back to watching Ric Flair comp*

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

I'm somewhat of a vet...I survived the great Posting Whoring of The Summer of 2002...and came back to be quite the bastard...

 

and yet still be your Nostradamus, *YOUR* Sex God, and your Number One Mike Sander's Pony Mark~!

 

Oh...and I still am The Godfather!

[Guest AndrewTS]

I still love this whole can't stand power wrestlers generalization.  Everyone seems to like a good power wrestler.  People like-love Vader.  What power wrestlers are there in the WWF right now that are good?

Brock Lesnar

Most smarks like/tolerate Brock. Although, everyone remembers that God Push That Failed until Brock was fed Hogan, Rock, and Taker and finally began to get a following.

 

However, his "monster heel" persona wasn't working. Right now he's a more talented Goldberg persona-wise, but has some solid ring skills.

 

Most of the power wrestlers Vince pushes blow, but that doesn't mean smarks are biased against that type of wrestler.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

I'm not asking any one to agree with my view point, I'm just curious as to what the great many of you think bitching for 10,000 posts (Well 9,000 maybe) is going to accomplish?

 

Does it make you feel better to know that a rag tag group of 200 or so people around the country (World?) will learn of your displeasure?

I just like to comment on the random thread if a thought occurs to me. It's also an entertaining way to pass the time when I'm bored. That's pretty much all.

 

The same questions can be said about you. What do you hope to accomplish here? I saw what you posted in the "May 5th" thread about the boycott, and I couldn't help wondering - what was the point of even posting anything? Why click on the thread at all? Why even read it if it bothered you so much? Yes, the same principle can be said about "Why watch WWE?", but like I said before, I can find a couple redeeming qualities within its programming. Thus, that's my reason I watch and why I care enough to post here.

[Guest tank_abbott]

Considering your memory doesn't really kick in until you're about 6 years old, and your independence/free will doesnt come till about roughly 8-12 (depending on your life and upbringing), saying you've been watching it no matter what all your life is a moot point.

 

Also, AndrewTS is an ACTUAL board vet. You're only at about 500 posts, so if you're truyl a board "Vet" as you say, you haven't really put in that much in the way of posts and such. Plus, I didn't really start recognizing you till about a couple months ago too...

For Pt. 1> If i own hundreds of hours of video of the eras, and have watched them numerous times, wouldn't that mean I could feasibly know that I enjoy(ed) the product of that time?

 

My interests haven't changed much from my child hood on many levels, I still watch/collect TMNT..He-man etc (But that's neither here nor there

 

Pt 2> I've been reading these boards since 99/00ish (Rantslyvania era) I just figured until recently that telling a group of people my opinion, and then arguing my points is pretty useless, since it can go in circles with no resolution. Plus I have gone under a name or 2 in the past...so my post count...wait I'm defending my post count? No , No, That's just to lame....

[Guest AndrewTS]

I'm not asking any one to agree with my view point, I'm just curious as to what the great many of you think bitching for 10,000 posts (Well 9,000 maybe) is going to accomplish?

 

Who said I was out to accomplish anything? I don't think I'm going to accomplish anything either. I'm not out to rack up X number of posts.

 

I'm here to discuss. When it comes to the WWE product, there's a lot of negatives about it. So there in comes the bitching. That's to be expected.

 

I actually skip Raw often just check the Raw thread. It lets me know what is happening and usually is funny to boot.

[Guest AndrewTS]

For Pt. 1> If i own hundreds of hours of video of the eras, and have watched them numerous times, wouldn't that mean I could feasibly know that I enjoy(ed) the product of that time?

 

Depends on what the videos are of. The 2001 WWF TV shows were often pretty bad. However, if you watched only the PPVs, it looked like an awesome year save for "InVasion." So depends on whether or not the videos are representative samples or just "the best of."

[Guest tank_abbott]

I'm glad you all have given valid, mature responses and haven't resorted to flaming me and my somewhat outside of the norm view points... I sincerly hope we can keep the discussion at this level.

[Guest tank_abbott]

For Pt. 1> If i own hundreds of hours of video of the eras, and have watched them numerous times, wouldn't that mean I could feasibly know that I enjoy(ed) the product of that time?

 

Depends on what the videos are of. The 2001 WWF TV shows were often pretty bad. However, if you watched only the PPVs, it looked like an awesome year save for "InVasion." So depends on whether or not the videos are representative samples or just "the best of."

That is a good point, and based on what I've watched, I'll admit most eras had thier shit. I can't stand watching Fuji/Strongbow chop fests from 83...Ron Bass/JYD type of craptactular matches of the mid 80's...Most of what the WWF presented weekly in the early 90's (Duggan/Tugboat Bravo/Quake upper card..bleh...) Uhhh...the less said of the Bob Holly/Smoking Gunns midcard era of the mid 90's the better....and even the kickass RAWS of 1997 had Sultan vs jobber...Sal Sincere vs Savio Vega level of trash...and the attitude era was less than inspiring RAW match wise, minus the main events.... What am I trying to say? I'm not sure...maybe its that there has always been crap to sit through to get to gold... Maybe all the years of watching this crap relegiously has numbed my brain to the point were I can watch it and enjoy it...like a mental patient staring at checkerboard floor tiles...

[Guest AndrewTS]

I'm glad you all have given valid, mature responses and haven't resorted to flaming me and my somewhat outside of the norm view points... I sincerly hope we can keep the discussion at this level.

Well, I like to think of myself as mature. I'm about the same age as you, actually--20 going on 21.

 

However, I only started watching mid to late 90s, and when I first saw Hogan wrestle in WCW...I was like "hooboy, this guy sucks. He's all hype." I had gotten quite spoiled on Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and HBK matches, the ECW shows, and I enjoyed the Cruisers on both Raw and Nitro.

 

This was all before I even got the internet for the first time. I didn't quite understand a lot of things...match psychology and the like. I do now, though. While we're the same age, we're different types of fan. I was a smark and didn't even know it, so I can't look back and "fondly remember" stuff I never saw. Without the rosy glasses of nostalgia, the older stuff for the most part just looks bad to me.

 

So what I'm getting now is far less than what I was used to as a new fan. Your standards are lower and you're more accepting since you grew into it.

 

So anyone expecting us to have the same viewpoint or opinions on the same topic would be very incorrect.

[Guest tank_abbott]

Too True...Vince McMahon warped me as a youth...I too now have a "big man fetish"

 

So do your interests span into Boxing ans MMA as well?

 

What bout Lucha and Japanese Strong Style?

 

I personally dislike Lucha now, but it blew my mind when I 1st saw it in 1995. Now i watch those tapes and see how spotty and contrived it is/was.

 

I haven't seen much of the japanese style, but what I have seen I've enjoyed.