ROH thoughts from first time viewer

[Guest wildpegasus]

I just finished watching my first batch of ROH and was pretty impressed though I was expecting a little more from all the hype I've heard.

American Dragon really impresses me. It's obvious he puts a lot of thought into his craft. Seems to wrestle a lot like Benoit. You also can't help but mark out when he throws the European upperctus and the Misawa elbows.

Lo Ki was impressive as well

Spanky has got a lot of charisma and is also impressive in the ring.

The two European lightheavy wrestlers really impressed me with their abilities. Johnny Storm? and Jody Flesh?

What I wasn't impressed with was the gay bashing. What's the point of this?

In my opinion, there was too much needless neck breaking manuevers being used. When you're using a "burning hammer" in a run in that's just not right.

QUESTION:

What's with the bouncy ring? I'm guessing that this is because of all the neck manuevers being used. Is this right?

[Guest the 1inch punch]

The two European lightheavy wrestlers really impressed me with their abilities. Johnny Storm? and Jody Flesh?

What I wasn't impressed with was the gay bashing. What's the point of this?

Whoo-Hoo I get to answer an ROH thread

 

Fleisch and Storm are two Brits who guys like me and ChUnk have seen a billion times, usually against each other.

 

Theyre really good

 

As for the gays, dunno, but theyre over

[Guest ShooterJay]

If you like Fleisch and Storm's ROH match, their CZW match is about a billion times better.

 

The original point of the CSC was that there were no "gimmicks" in ROH- for the first few shows, they would come out and mess around, and Da Hit Squad would murder them to reinforce their point.

 

The ring does in fact have a lot of bounce to portect the neck-otherwise everybody would be crippled.

[Guest j.o.b. squad]

i agree with you that there are way to many people in roh who depend on the head drop in their matches.

 

as for the gay bashing i think they were trying to get hit squad over as monsters. as for the no gimmicks that was quite a load of bull wasent it . you got the gays the ravers the straight edge the 80's hair band the 90's pop group and i am sure there are a few i am mising

[Guest Andy]

Johnny Storm? and Jody Flesh?

Just a Brit nitpicking here, but it's actually Jonny Storm (no "h") and Jody Fleisch (with an "i".)

 

Cheers - A.

[Guest Shane Legend]

Alot of guys in ROH don't just use the head drop style cause they work ROH matches, alof of guys now adays use the head drop style to get over. Hit Squad has been using the neck drop style for a VERY long time.

 

Low Ki intentionally tries to hurt people. He has no control over his kicks and goes out with the intention of hurting people. He "lives his gimmick" sitting in the corner, talking to no body trying to act like a tought guy. I know this for a fact because my friend Justice worked Low Ki and told me this.

[Guest HHH123007]

Low Ki intentionally tries to hurt people. He has no control over his kicks and goes out with the intention of hurting people.

I doubt he goes out to the ring with the intention of actually hurting his opponent...

 

Also, I'd think that it would be pretty hard to control your kicks when you're throwing them at the speed that Low Ki does...

[Guest Doyo]

Low Ki intentionally tries to hurt people. He has no control over his kicks and goes out with the intention of hurting people. He "lives his gimmick" sitting in the corner, talking to no body trying to act like a tought guy. I know this for a fact because my friend Justice worked Low Ki and told me this.

 

There is a difference between working stiff and trying to hurt someone.

You don't last long in this business trying to hurt others and your matches

wouldn't last that long. Most wrestlers aren't going to put forth the

cooperation needed to put on a match if the other person in there is trying

to hurt them.

 

Look at his kicks in slowmo to get a better idea of what he is doing. When

he does the tidal wave the front of his foot slides against the back of the

other guy's head. He doesn't kick them square in the temple or face.

When he does the kicks to the chest it is usually his lower leg, which may be

covered by shinpads, that is making contact. Sometimes he kicks around

where the other guy's elbow is, but makes it look like most of the contact

is with the chest.

 

I've heard that on the RF shoot interview with American Dragon he is asked

if Low Ki works too stiff and Dragon replies "no he doesn't." Not "yeah he

kinda does" or "he works too stiff" or "he is out to hurt people", just a plain "no."

 

What happened after Low Ki "tried to hurt" your friend? Did the match break

down and a real fight take place? I think I would have read about that.

Did your friend confront him in the locker room about it or anything?

[Guest Shane Legend]

I'm telling you what Justice told me. He said Low Ki intentionally tries to hurt people, he has no control over his kicks...this is what Justice told me.

[Guest Nevermortal]

I'm telling you what Justice told me. He said Low Ki intentionally tries to hurt people, he has no control over his kicks...this is what Justice told me.

Who is this 'Justice' guy you're talking about?

[Guest ConspiracyVictim]

I think he is talking about Justice from NWA FL and IPW Hardcore...at least thats the only Justice I know of that has worked with Low Ki.

[Guest The Last Free Voice]

no offense, but it sounds like "Justice" needs to be taught that wrestling is a business and you don't try to hurt people. I got stiffed in training a hundred times but I know it isn't personal or intentional. Maybe this guy NEEDS a good kick to the head.

[Guest HHH123007]

Maybe this guy NEEDS a good kick to the head.

There's a thought...

[Guest ShooterJay]

Yup, it's the same Justice from that area, who recently worked CZW at Divide and Conquer's Trifecta Elminiation tournament- he's also going to be a regualr soon, so he's not some backwater indy scrub.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Jerry Lynn was once asked who had more control over their kicks, Tajiri or LowKi. He said LowKi.

 

I'm trusting Jerry Lynn over Justice.

[Chunk 0]

If you like Fleisch and Storm's ROH match, their CZW match is about a billion times better.

You have to see that match. It is the best Jody/Jonny match I have seen. It might be hard for you to get hold of it if your in the USA, but their match from WrestleXpress wasnt half bad either.

 

ANdy, I cant blame you for the nit picking lol. The amount of times I have seen it spelt Jodie are also too many to count.

 

ChUnK!

[Guest j.o.b. squad]

what is kind of funny is that the jody fliech website has it misspelled on the frontpage graphic

 

anyway back onto subject perhaps becose low ki hasent worked in florida for quite a while. Perhaps justice just worked with low ki back when he was much more green than he is now. Also remember taijiri has injured people in the past (his kicks gave jaimie noble coliflower ear) so the fact that he has more control than taijiri is not saying that much.

[Chunk 0]

his kicks gave jaimie noble coliflower ear

 

Really? Could you get that from one shot to the ear? I thought cauliflower ear was when blood built up in the ear (making them look swolen). I know rugby players get it from continous rubbing during the scrum, but I dont think its possible to get it from a one off occasion. That was more likely just a swollen ear, from bruising etc.

 

ChUnK!

[Guest j.o.b. squad]

it wasent from one kick. remember when noble had the cruiser belt and he and taijiri were wrestling each other every single show. the repeated kicks to the side of the head eventualy made him develope coliflower ear

[Chunk 0]

it wasent from one kick. remember when noble had the cruiser belt and he and taijiri were wrestling each other every single show. the repeated kicks to the side of the head eventualy made him develope coliflower ear

Oh right, my mistake. That would make sense.

 

Isnt the only way to cure Cauliflower ear, to syringe the ear and drain of the excess blood? Now I remember why I used to ice the shit out of my ears after every rugby game

 

ChUnK!

[Guest j.o.b. squad]

nope no cure for coliflower ear he is stuck with a hard ear for life. becose what hadens is after a while the blood in the ear calsifies and hardens syringing might help if you get it treated when it first gets hurt but most atheletes tend to not pay atention to a little pain in their ears

[Chunk 0]

nope no cure for coliflower ear he is stuck with a hard ear for life. becose what hadens is after a while the blood in the ear calsifies and hardens syringing might help if you get it treated when it first gets hurt but most atheletes tend to not pay atention to a little pain in their ears

Really? That kinda sucks. Not so much the pain, more the look of it.

 

ChUnK!

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I have minor cauliflower ear in my right ear. Happened from sleeping on my couch, actually, and wrestling around with my buddy Steve-O on an almost daily basis last summer didn't help matters much. Makes my ear look pointy...heh.

[Guest The Last Free Voice]

okay, having not seen anything besides road to the title, who all is currently in Daniels group?

[Guest The Last Free Voice]

this isn't the piost you're looking for. Move along, move along.

[Guest Galactic Gigolo]

okay, having not seen anything besides road to the title, who all is currently in Daniels group?

Hmm... One of the guys from the fat, head dropping tag team (Hit Squad?) joined up with them at the last show. Not sure who else is in the group.

[Guest ShooterJay]

okay, having not seen anything besides road to the title, who all is currently in Daniels group?

Hmm... One of the guys from the fat, head dropping tag team (Hit Squad?) joined up with them at the last show. Not sure who else is in the group.

The Prophecy is dead for all intents and purposes, at least it was until Mafia joined. It now consists of:

 

Daniels

Xavier

Mafia

Allison Danger

Donovan Morgan (who may or may not be on the outs w/ROH-he's never around aymore anyway)

 

Old members who left:

Samoa Joe

Simply Luscious

Mark Briscoe

[Guest WhenDanSaysJump]

In my opinion, there was too much needless neck breaking manuevers being used. When you're using a "burning hammer" in a run in that's just not right.

As touched on earlier, this isn't really a problem confined to ROH but it's symptomatic of US independent wrestling as a whole.

 

I for one think it's a shame when death moves are used as transitions.

[Chunk 0]

In my opinion, there was too much needless neck breaking manuevers being used. When you're using a "burning hammer" in a run in that's just not right.

As touched on earlier, this isn't really a problem confined to ROH but it's symptomatic of US independent wrestling as a whole.

 

I for one think it's a shame when death moves are used as transitions.

I couldnt agree more. When a move like the burning hammer becomes played (and it cant become too long before that happens) you know you have problems.

 

ChUnK!