The Official TSM Mock Draft Thread.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I'll keep San Diego.

[Guest Kingpk]

I'll keep the Pats and pick tomorrow.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Round 2 Order

 

1(33) Cincinnati Bengals - Rex Grossman QB, Florida

2(34) Detroit Lions - DawnBTVS

3(35) Chicago Bears - Agent Bond

4(36) Houston Texans - DawnBTVS

5(37) Arizona Cardinals - bravesfan (I'll slot that for now since he did the 1st round)

6(38) Dallas Cowboys - Bored

7(39) Jacksonville Jaguars

8(40) Minnesota Vikings - Vern Gagne

9(41) Baltimore Ravens - marvinisalunatic

10(42) Seattle Seahawks - DawnBTVS

11(43) St. Louis Rams

12(44) Washington Redskins

13(45) Carolina Panthers - the pinjockey

14(46) San Diego Chargers - Kahran Rasmus

15(47) Kansas City Chiefs - Kahran Rasmus

16(48) Buffalo Bills - bps21

17(49) Miami Dolphins

18(50) New England Patriots - kingpk

19(51) Denver Broncos - Canadian Chris

20(52) Cleveland Browns

21(53) New York Jets

22(54) New Orleans Saints - flyboy

23(55) Atlanta Falcons

24(56) New York Giants - the pinjockey

25(57) San Francisco 49ers - bravesfan

26(58) Indianapolis Colts - Vern Gagne

27(59) Pittsburgh Steelers - Tyler McClelland

28(60) Tennessee Titans - VanSiclen31

29(61) Philadelphia Eagles - the pinjockey

30(62) Philadelphia Eagles - the pinjockey

31(63) Oakland Raiders - Marvinisalunatic

32(64) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Vern Gagne

 

Redskins Miami Atlanta and Tampa are open to anyone who wants them since they were either picked for or didnt have a pick in Round 1

[Guest DawnBTVS]

I'll keep the Seahawks for Round 2 and I'll take Detroit and Houston if nobody wants them

[Guest the pinjockey]

I'll grab the Giants since I did their Round 1 pick

[Bored 0]

Well I'll wait another 15 minutes before making the pick but I'll still call all teams that didn't pick in the 1st round (Redskins, Dolphins, Falcons, Buccaneers) if no one else wants them.

[Bored 0]

Actually forget the Bucs since its the last pick of the 2nd Round I might not be around by the time pick comes up tommorrow night.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I'll keep the Broncos.

[Bored 0]

2nd Round Begins...

 

With the 33rd pick the Cincinnati Bengals select...Rex Grossman, quarterback, from the University of Florida.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I''ll take the Buccs if Bored isn't around.

[Bored 0]

How long should we wait between picks? I don't see DawnBTVS logged in and they have two of the next three picks.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Dawn is logged in. I think we can be patient through tomorrow, by tomorrow afternoon people need to start being here to pound out picks.

[Guest the pinjockey]

And we arent going to skip over bravesfan's no5 Arizona pick since he ran this whole thing.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Rex Grossman

QB, Florida

Ht: 6'1" Wt: 217 40: 4.92

Notes: Comes from an affluent family. Has a reputation for not making the greatest decisions off the field. Enrolled in January 1999 to participate in spring drills but used his redshirt year in the fall. Started eight games in 2000 and completed 131-of-212 passes for 1,866 yards with 21 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Finished second in the Heisman Trophy balloting as a sophomore in '01, when he was named Associated Press Player of the Year and first-team All-Southeastern Conference. Started all 11 games and completed 259-395-3,896-34-12. In '02, completed 287-502-3,402-22-17.

 

Positives: Has a quick release and an over-the-top delivery. Has handled pressure situations well in the past. Has a good -- not great -- arm and throws an extremely catchable ball, especially deep. His mechanics -- especially setup and compact release -- are assets. Seems to be aware in the pocket and buys time with his feet. Has football intelligence and the toughness of a pit bull. Also has good mental toughness. Likes to lift with the linemen. Teammates love his self-confidence and bring-it-on attitude. Can get the ball into tight spots because of his intermediate arm strength. Has a burning desire to win.

 

Negatives: Can be lazy and rubs people the wrong way at times because of his confidence. Likes to party. Got by on natural talent at Florida. When things didn't go well in '02, Grossman was out of sync a lot and made too many off-balance throws. Can escape pressure but is not a threat to tuck and run. Has average overall mechanics. Accuracy down the field is limited, as it is when he throws on the move. Will need to be schooled on what the "football classroom" means. Struggles in new offense weren't entirely related to fresh scheme and changes in his surroundings, but teams will critique his ineffectiveness without Steve Spurrier and the wealth of talent that left for the NFL in 2002. Didn't display great accuracy at his Scouting Combine workout.

 

Summary: Another year at Florida probably would not have hurt Grossman, but he figures to be drafted on the first day.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

How about a final update for Round 1.

[Guest the pinjockey]

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Updated TSM Mock Draft Results

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1. Cincinnati Bengals - Terence Newman (CB) - Kansas State University

2. Detroit Lions - Charles Rogers (WR) - Michigan State University

3. Houston Texans - Andre Johnson (WR) - University of Miami

4. Chicago Bears - Byron Leftwich (QB) - Marshall University

5. Dallas Cowboys - Terrell Suggs (DE) - Arizona State University

6. Arizona Cardinals - Kelley Washington (WR) - University of Tennessee

7. Minnesota Vikings - Carson Palmer (QB) - University of Southern California

8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Marcus Trufant (CB) - Washington State University

9. Minnesota Vikings - Jimmy Kennedy (DT) - Penn State University

10. Baltimore Ravens - Jordan Gross (OT) - University of Utah

11. Seattle Seahawks - DeWayne Robertson (DT) - University of Kentucky

12. St. Louis Rams - Andre Woolfolk (CB) - Oklahoma University

13. New York Jets - Boss Bailey (LB) - Georgia University

14. New England Patriots - Jonathon Sullivan (DT) - Georgia University

15. San Diego Chargers - Eric Steinbach (G) - Iowa University

16. Kansas City Chiefs - Jerome McDougle (DE) University of Miami

17. New Orleans Saints - E.J. Henderson (MLB) - University of Maryland

18. New Orleans Saints - Chris Kelsay (DE) - University of Nebraska

19. New England Patriots - Taylor Jacobs (WR) Florida

20. Denver Broncos - Kevin Williams (DL) Oklahoma State

21. Cleveland Browns - Kwame Harris (OT) Stanford

22. New York Jets - Willis McGahee (RB) Miami

23. Buffalo Bills - William Joseph (DT) Miami

24. Indianapolis Colts - Troy Polamalu (S) USC

25. New York Giants - Ty Warren (DT) Texas A&M

26. San Francisco 49ers - Wayne Hunter (OT) Hawaii

27. Pittsburgh Steelers - Sammy Davis (CB) Texas A&M

28. Tennessee Titans - Jason Witten (TE) Tennessee

29. Green Bay Packers - Terry Pierce (ILB) Kansas State University

30. Phildelphia Eagles - Michael Haynes (DE) Penn State

31. Oakland Raiders - Anquan Boldin (WR) Florida State University

32. Oakland Raiders - Dewayne White (DE) Louisville

 

Round 2

 

33. Cincinnati Bengals - Rex Grossmam (QB) Florida

34. Detroit Lions - Lamarcus McDonald (OLB) TCU

35. Chicago Bears - Mike Doss (S) Ohio State

36. Houston Texans - Larry Johnson (RB) Penn State

37. Arizona Cardinals - Bryant Johnson (WR) Penn State

38. Dallas Cowboys - Jeff Faine (Cen) Notre Dame

39. Jacksonville Jaguars - Gert T

40. Minnesota Vikings - Vern Gagne

41. Baltimore Ravens - marvinisalunatic

42. Seattle Seahawks - DawnBTVS

43. St. Louis Rams - pheonixrising

44. Washington Redskins

45. Carolina Panthers - the pinjockey

46. San Diego Chargers - Kahran Rasmus

47. Kansas City Chiefs - Kahran Rasmus

48. Buffalo Bills - bps21

49. Miami Dolphins

50. New England Patriots - kingpk

51. Denver Broncos - Canadian Chris

52. Cleveland Browns

53. New York Jets

54. New Orleans Saints - flyboy

55. Atlanta Falcons

56. New York Giants - the pinjockey

57. San Francisco 49ers - bravesfan

58. Indianapolis Colts - Vern Gagne

59. Pittsburgh Steelers - Tyler McClelland

60. Tennessee Titans - VanSiclen31

61. Philadelphia Eagles - the pinjockey

62. Philadelphia Eagles - the pinjockey

63. Oakland Raiders - Marvinisalunatic

64. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Vern Gagne

[Guest DawnBTVS]

With the 34th pick in the draft, the Detroit Lions select OLB Lamarcus Mcdonald out of Texas Christian

 

Notes: Did not play in 1999. Played in 11-of-12 games in 2000, missing one game due to academics, and recorded 33 tackles, three tackles for loss and one sack. Started at inside linebacker from Game Two on in '01 and was a true impact player, getting in on 80 tackles, including 25 for loss, and six sacks. Started all 11 games in '02, recording 113-28-8, with three forced fumbles and four passes broken up. Was named Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year. Looked like a rabbit playing at 209 pounds at the Senior Bowl, but felt he needed to add 20 pounds to play linebacker in the NFL and has lost some speed and quickness.

 

Positives: Big playmaker. Flies around the field with excellent lateral movement and change of direction. Passionate player who is very productive and has great football intelligence. Natural player who can be quick. Keys and diagnoses plays. Very aggressive. Attacks and takes on block. Works through tackles. Has a knack for slipping blocks. Very strong for his size and plays bigger and faster than he is. Has fine instincts. Great special-teams player and great covering kicks.

 

Negatives: Lacks height, weight and speed. Marginal student who didn't like school. Lacks consistent burst, size and acceleration. Street guy who does not use his hands well to shed blocks but tries to get by on athletic ability. Needs to get better hitting and shedding. Freelances and plays his own defense. Not a major factor in coverage. Doesn't have great football intelligence.

 

Summary: Slow 40 time hurt his stock, but he plays faster than he tested and should be an immediate contributor on special teams.

[Agent_Bond34 0]

With the 35th pick in the draft, the Chicago Bears select Safety Mike Doss from Ohio State.

 

Mike Doss

SS | (5-10, 207, 4.55) | OHIO STATE

By Pro Football Weekly

 

Notes: Played in every game as a true 18-year-old freshman in 1999 and started the final two. Started every game in 2000 and '01 and was an All-Big Ten selection and a Sporting News All-American in both seasons. Had 43 tackles and broke up two passes in 1999. Had 94 tackles, including 13 for loss, with six passes broken up, three interceptions and two fumble recoveries for touchdowns in 2000. Posted 87-10-4-3 and four fumble recoveries with a touchdown and two blocked punts in '01. Started all 14 games in '02, recording 107 tackles -- 65 solo and 42 assists -- five tackles for losses, two interceptions for 80 yards and one fumble recovery. Was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year, a consensus All-American and a Jim Thorpe Award finalist.

 

Positives: Big, explosive hitter and top competitor who is well-built. Good feet and hips, and above-average range tackler. Honor student with great football intelligence who is very good reading his keys and diagnosing plays. Gets a very good jump and adjusts to plays. Very good in run support. Shows awareness and instincts in zone coverage and can cover the slot.

 

Negatives: Inconsistent in coverage. Does not play the ball well and misjudges it. Makes mental errors and bad mistakes, giving up some big plays. Allows receivers behind him. Lacks height and size for a strong safety and is best in the box. Will miss a few tackles coming in too high. Must get better in coverage to be a complete safety, but size puts him at a disadvantage against tight ends and most big receivers.

 

Summary: Doss will be one of the top safeties drafted because of his smarts and knack for being around the football, but he'll have to work to be more than a great college player.

[Guest DawnBTVS]

With the 36th pick in the NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select RB Larry Johnson out of Penn State.

 

Notes: Father, Larry Sr., is Penn State's DL coach, and his younger brother, Tony, is a wide receiver on the team. Redshirted in 1998. Carried 43 times for 171 yards and a touchdown and caught four passes for 74 yards and a score in '99. Also returned 13 kickoffs for 230 yards. Carried 75-358-3 in 2000 while also catching 9-22-1 and returning 18 kickoffs for 444 yards. Rushed 71-337-2, caught 11-136-2 and returned 17 kickoffs for 454 yards and one touchdown in '01. Was part of a RB-by-committee approach his first three years but emerged as the chairman of the board in '02. Started 12 of 13 games in '02, carrying 271-2,087-20 and catching 41-349-3. Returned 11 kickoffs for 219 yards.

 

Positives: Good size, speed and production. Patient and uses blockers well. Has some elusiveness. Can break high tackles and make catches while facing the quarterback. Good quickness (both lateral and rear) and good in-line. Good vision, anticipation and use of blockers. Can pick and slide, get wide and redirect. Tough, finishes runs and has great moves. Johnson can see the cutback lanes and cut upfield. Good agility and balance to make first man miss. Very good hands. High character. Top special-teams player who had three blocked punts in his first three years. Versatile halfback who catches the ball well and returns kickoffs. Made great improvement and came on in '02 as a featured back.

 

Negatives: Gets narrow and a little upright. Struggles breaking low tackles. Not a pile mover. Average blocker who is reluctant to face up. Lacks explosiveness. Has an average lean and at times, dances too much. Not overly aggressive. Struggled against tough competition. Carried 51 times for 212 yards and three touchdowns vs. Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State, but 200-1,800 vs. everyone else. Not a home-run hitter on a consistent basis.

 

Summary: A solid, durable back with size and deceptive speed who can also return kicks, Johnson benefits from a weak, weak RB class and likely will be a first-round pick.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Is APO around. He had Jacksonville in Round 1, and there coming up soon.

[Guest the pinjockey]

If the Carolina pick comes up while I am gone just make the pick, don't bother waiting at all.

[Gert T 0]

I'll grab Jacksonville if no one takes them, or someone just assign me a team.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

If the Carolina pick comes up while I am gone just make the pick, don't bother waiting at all.

The same goes for me with Minnesota.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Ok bravesfan oked me to make the Zona pick

 

With the 37th pick the Arizona Cardinals select Bryant Johnson (WR) Penn State

 

Although the need was addressed earlier with Washington there is no professional caliber player in the Arizona receiving corps and at this point Johnson makes a good value pick

[Guest the pinjockey]

Bryant Johnson

WR | (6-2, 214, 4.55) | PENN STATE

By Pro Football Weekly

 

Notes: High school sprinter and basketball player who ran an unofficial 10.65 in the 100 meters and competed in the Penn Relays. Caught seven passes for 140 yards and a pair of touchdowns as an 18-year-old freshman in 1999. Worked at both wide receiver and defensive back in 2000, when he caught just 4-85-1. Became the Nittany Lions' go-to receiver in '01, catching 51-866-3, including 6-149-1 vs. Miami (Fla.). Started 13-of-13 games in '02, catching 48-917-4 and averaging 70.5 yards per game. Returned 41 punts for 528 yards and scored once.

 

Positives: Great hands and concentration. Will extend and catch with his hands. Nice size and body control. Good character. Aware and tough over the middle and in a crowd. Makes some adjustments to gain separation. Great body and hands and good feet. Excellent athletic ability. Can beat defenders deep with a double move. Big, physical receiver whose route-running, consistency and concentration have improved. Can make you miss.

 

Negatives: Not that quick or explosive or sudden. Has build-up type of speed. Tends to round and gather on cuts. Inconsistent adjusting to the ball. Questionable speed and explosiveness into and out of breaks. Uses body to shield defenders. A little stiff in the hips. Doesn't have superquickness in and out of his cuts. Will have to beat defenders with a double move more than with great vertical speed. Doesn't have great second gear. Lacks burst and playmaking ability.

 

Summary: Could move up to the top of the second round with a good workout.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Dallas - bored is on the clock

[Guest phoenixrising]

I'll stick with St. Louis, but if I'm not here when they come up go ahead and pick for me.

 

If you need to pick for St. Louis, they need an offensive tackle, middle linebacker or wide reciever. There should be some good players around at these positions when St. Louis is on the clock. I'd rate the tackle highest priority followed by MLB and then WR. Or just go for best player available.

[Bored 0]

With the 38th pick the Dallas Cowboys select Jeff Faine, center, from the University of Notre Dame.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

someone shoot me a pm when the Bills come back on

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Draft Update.

 

Bears trade #4 pick to Jets for picks 13 and 22.