Booking Feedback Thread

[Guest The Superstar]

Kotz, you've been here for 2 months. I would say *YOU* don't know what you're talking about. But I digress.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Like I told the other moderators in GCF, 90% of the roster has arrived since any of this stuff that you people hate each other over went down. As such, you have 90% of the roster getting very mad about all this whining and bitching going on. It would obviously be too easy for you to do your business with these people through PMs or AIM, you prefer to keep making it public, and NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. We're getting complaints from people who want it to stop, and we're sick of hearing the same shit over and over again.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Well, to answer Agnes' question about why certain people were made champion, in my case at least, I think it's because of my contributions, my writing style getting over, and just being a genuinely likable guy (I think I am...).

 

 

I still don't think that answers my question 100%. I had been contributing since Anglemania I, all the way through Anglemania II, and while the matches may not have been the greatest, I still decide to write them when other people weren't doing them. What did I get? Shit. I was jobbing to MarioLogan's thugs on WCW: Saturday Night regularly.

 

And what about Sandman and Evenflow? Sandman's matches were regarded as the best, and he had been here almost since the beginning, and he never got the title. Evenflow's promos are still regarded as the best in the OAOAST, and he just got his first major storyline last month.

 

Although Zack, you ARE very likable.

[Guest The Superstar]

Well, this started up again because I simply stated that throwing a gimmick match of such a high degree with no buildup wasn't a good idea, and this was interpreted as "HE HATES OUR SHOW AND IS ONLY BEING DETRIMENTAL TO THE OAOAST." Okay then.

 

Then people asked why I was still here. I answered. I was part of this thread for a year, I think I have the right to leave feedback on what I think. You guys are probably devising some way to "ban me" from the OAOAST, and good luck at that. I hope you do. I created a thread telling WHY I was so upset with this place, and it gets closed.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

All you have to offer is negativity. Now that your alter-ego was outed by you yourself, we can ask again: "If you hate this place so much, why stick around?"

 

I'm going to defer to another moderator at this point to do replies, because this is all getting me very angry and I might start saying things that aren't becoming of someone who's supposed to be an example for others.

[Guest The Superstar]

Now that your alter-ego was outed by you yourself, we can ask again: "If you hate this place so much, why stick around?"

I was trying to have fun again with Undisputed. I figured if I had a lower-card guy I wouldn't have to worry about politics. I didn't quit because I felt like I let Zack down, because he really didn't want me to. But realizing I have/was/and would be accomplishing nothing except jobbing and going nowhere because "there's no room", I took away my character.

[Guest Anglesault]

As for my two title reigns, the first was obvious and the second was Some Guy's idea. CWM got it because we needed a aWo guy to drop it. Caboose got it because he was feuding with me when it was time for me to drop the belt, and he had a cool storyline. Zack earned his number one face status. I have no idea what the hell the Alf-dogg business was all about.

[Guest Angle-plex]

As for my two title reigns, the first was obvious and the second was Some Guy's idea. CWM got it because we needed a aWo guy to drop it. Caboose got it because he was feuding with me when it was time for me to drop the belt, and he had a cool storyline. Zack earned his number one face status. I have no idea what the hell the Alf-dogg business was all about.

 

But WHY were they main eventers over evenflow, sandman, superstar, eskimo, jingus and me? Why were those particular members chosen? Who were they chosen by? And Zack is one of my best friends on the board, but how did he earn his number 1 face status over the others?

Edited May 8, 2003 by Angle-plex

[Guest Angle-plex]

BUMP~! for anyone that has any answers that can give me.

[Guest Anglesault]

To be honest, a lot of it is right place, right time, right circumstances.

 

Like me, personally, when I plan out my feuds (Usually main event, I think we can agree) it has a lot to do with someone simply catching my eye with something they've done. A great example is K-Money. I don't even remember what it is he did, but I liked him and planned a feud from like February.

 

Another thing...If there is someone the champion would really like to work with, they get top priority.

 

And it's not really fair to bring up Jingus, because he was going to get a pretty huge push right about now and it fell through.

[Guest caboose]

I too this day do not know why I was given the belt. I admit my storyline was cool, but the basis of my story was to get rid of the aWo not get the belt. Somehow I got bumped to the Main vent Scene and was given the belt. Though I am of course thankful I got given a 'run' and it was my decison to walk away from the strap.

 

However AP, being in the Main event area was also a death-knell to one's creativity, as the Main vent scene was controlled totally by BPP and Tony by July.

[Guest Tony149]

As for my two title reigns, the first was obvious and the second was Some Guy's idea. CWM got it because we needed a aWo guy to drop it. Caboose got it because he was feuding with me when it was time for me to drop the belt, and he had a cool storyline. Zack earned his number one face status. I have no idea what the hell the Alf-dogg business was all about.

 

But WHY were they main eventers over evenflow, sandman, superstar, eskimo, jingus and me? Why were those particular members chosen? Who were they chosen by? And Zack is one of my best friends on the board, but how did he earn his number 1 face status over the others?

 

And that Alfdogg reign was just plain BAD.

I'm not sure how Zack got a title shot in July 2002, but we actually planned the OAOAST title matches till October because we were building up to SG's aWo reunion. That was the last time we planned that far in advance.

 

Alf actually suggested he should win the title after we found out Caboose was leaving. If Caboose doesn't leave, he holds onto the title until October where he drops the belt to CWM. And somethings more than likely don't happen.

 

As for Zack: Nobody planned on him becoming a top face. After his title shot against Caboose in July 2002, Zack went back down the card (if you will) and started doing stuff with the In Crowd. He would of gotten another title shot in November 2002 as he won a #1 contenders match on IZ, but we turned it into a 6-Pack challenge to tie in with the aWo angle. Caboose then suggested Zack win the OAOAST title at AM II; AS wanted TC to beat him, but everybody liked the idea of Zack winning it. And it happened to fit into a "chase" story where Zack would kept getting screwed out of title shots because of other things happening.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Well AS, I can understand why you're in the main events, since you're the basis of the whole thread. But the right place, right time thing is a horrible method to use, if that's how it works.

 

Another thing I noticed is that most of the mods were getting main event spots. I'm guessing this is because they got first dibs on all the upcoming storylines, and who would be involved in those storylines. It just wasn't fair to the rest of us, who were writing matches and promos as well.

 

Things seem to have changed a little since then, but I still thinks the mods have a huge factor in deciding who gets to main event at what ppv.

 

However AP, being in the Main event area was also a death-knell to one's creativity, as the Main vent scene was controlled totally by BPP and Tony by July.

 

Around the time you were champ I had no creative control anyways. BPP, CWM and Tony decided all the winners and I always lost.

 

And I didn't know Jingus was in line for a huge push, but it still took him a year or so to get it.

[Guest Tony149]

Another thing I noticed is that most of the mods were getting main event spots. I'm guessing this is because they got first dibs on all the upcoming storylines, and who would be involved in those storylines. It just wasn't fair to the rest of us, who were writing matches and promos as well.

 

Things seem to have changed a little since then, but I still thinks the mods have a huge factor in deciding who gets to main event at what ppv.

It just so happened that Mods got to main event. IMHO, it wasn't something we had in mind. All of our OAOAST champions have been Mods at some point, so I guess that theory could be true, but I rarely pay attention to our stories.

 

Your second comment is somewhat true. Since all the OAOAST champions have been Mods, they normally suggest who they'd like to main event with for the following PPV.

 

And even though me, BPP & CWM's "job" were to decided who won and loss, we did a shitty job at that -- or at least I did; I didn't do shit. Ask anybody who currently has access to GCF, I have no idea what's going on 98% of the time.

[Guest SP-1]

And in my experience, Mods are people who are chosen because they exhibit some kind of passion for the OAOAST. I have no plans on making for the title, however, as SP's story doesn't need it and has no place for it. Even if I were ever offered. I haven't earned it.

 

My point is that I'd rather have someone with a very public passion for what we're doing here representing us as Champion. Mods are usually on that list.

[Guest Angle-plex]

SP, mods usually have a passion for the OAOAST because they are at the top of the card. Believe me, if I was champion at any point through my one year career, I seriously doubt we'd be having this discussion right now, and I would probably still be an active member in the OAOAST.

 

Well whatever. I still feel as though my year in the OAOAST was a complete waste, and I really don't know what I could have done differently. The five people involved in Anglemania I went complete different ways. CWM, AS, and Caboose went to the main events, Mario left, and I jobbed to the Dungeon of Doom. I feel like I wrote about 500 "I am not a joke" promos.

 

If I was a mod at the beginning, would things have turned out differently for me? Probably 100%. I surely wouldn't have put in ideas for a 5 months losing streak or a joke rumble win.

 

I still got to admit though, I DID think I was going to win the OAOAST Title at some point, and I planned to stick around until then, but I realized I wasn't going anywhere, and I wasn't really looking foward to a 6 month feud with a new guy.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

To be honest, a lot of it is right place, right time, right circumstances.

 

Like me, personally, when I plan out my feuds (Usually main event, I think we can agree) it has a lot to do with someone simply catching my eye with something they've done. A great example is K-Money. I don't even remember what it is he did, but I liked him and planned a feud from like February.

 

Another thing...If there is someone the champion would really like to work with, they get top priority.

 

And it's not really fair to bring up Jingus, because he was going to get a pretty huge push right about now and it fell through.

Glad I know this now, since what I'm doing right now is completely different from original plans.

[Guest Big Poppa Popick]

although its completely spoiling whats going on with the world title

 

i guess i should say this

 

I will never, ever, in a million years, be OaOasT Champion. Since I ever got "power" I knew this.

 

I actively campaigned that after AM 2 our next champions should be Sandman and Evenflow, for all the work they have done...Why didnt everyone get these reigns...I think we wanted reigns to last awhile so it meant something.

 

The trinity was supposed to go down like this...Our combined hatred of zack brings us together...i am the first to try to dethrone him...alas i fail...they (S & E) give me another chance, i fail again...and am thusly kicked out where i was to parody the ddp homeless angle...this is what we thought up and kept sandman in the fed for a long time after he started hating it here.

 

sandman and evenflow were to feud...with evenflow getting the belt from zack, sandman getting jealous, and finally blowing off completely sandman/ef with a sandman win

 

none of this happened since sandman left...and i miss him every day. the split also necessitated changing the storyline, but i think the current trinity with LI and myself is true to the spirit of it all that S,E, and I tried to do

 

So, if anyone cares...im not winning

everyone happy?

 

and please, agnes, we treated your rumble win as a fluke, but dammit, we stuck with it and tried our damnest to make you a legit ME guy

 

at least i did, i tried to make it up

 

i guess i failed

 

for that and everything else, i am sorry

[Guest Zack Malibu]

That's the thing that gets me.

 

NO angle should be spoiled here. The only people that should know what is to go down are those involved. Unless something is made completely obvious, we live off our randomness and shock value.

 

My AM2 Title Win, which people could probably see coming (at least those who had been here) got spoiled.

 

The ensuing angle got spoiled.

 

Creatively, that was a BIG mistake. No storyteller likes his endings thought out before his beginnings.

[Guest Angle-plex]

I will never, ever, in a million years, be OaOasT Champion. Since I ever got "power" I knew this.

 

I actively campaigned that after AM 2 our next champions should be Sandman and Evenflow, for all the work they have done...Why didnt everyone get these reigns...I think we wanted reigns to last awhile so it meant something.

 

The trinity was supposed to go down like this...Our combined hatred of zack brings us together...i am the first to try to dethrone him...alas i fail...they (S & E) give me another chance, i fail again...and am thusly kicked out where i was to parody the ddp homeless angle...this is what we thought up and kept sandman in the fed for a long time after he started hating it here.

 

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your first plan have you winning the title from Zack, and it was only after the others said that Zack shouldn't lose the title after such a short time that it was changed?

 

and please, agnes, we treated your rumble win as a fluke, but dammit, we stuck with it and tried our damnest to make you a legit ME guy

 

You act like I should be so grateful. It was basically YOUR (as in the bookers, not just Popick) fault that I wasn't a ME guy to begin with. I could have easily been in the main events after the first "masterplan", but instead I was treated as a joke. I guess I just wasn't in the "right place at the right time".

Edited May 8, 2003 by Angle-plex

[Guest Zack Malibu]

The ORIGINAL plan was for Caboose and Evenflow to form The Virus and come after me.

 

As far as booking goes AP, you know that I always did my best to look good. I vetoed my own win over you in the cage match with you and Eskimo for the USTV or NA or whatever it was called at the time belt. And you know I wanted you to be the #1 HeldDOWN face after AM2, other than me.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Yeah Zack, I meant the bookers at the time after AngleSlam. Just before Great Angle Bash. That's when things went to hell, for me anyways.

 

The ORIGINAL plan was for Caboose and Evenflow to form The Virus and come after me.

 

Well then Popick's first plan had him winning the belt. I saw it in GCF.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

I know what you mean about it being his plan. I'm just saying the original post AM2 plans for me was for the Evenflow feud to continue and Caboose to become a psychotic heel as well.

 

And I know you and I have never had problems. I just didn't want you to feel like ALL the bookers had something against you.

[Guest caboose]

Yeah Zack, I meant the bookers at the time after AngleSlam. Just before Great Angle Bash. That's when things went to hell, for me anyways.

 

The ORIGINAL plan was for Caboose and Evenflow to form The Virus and come after me.

 

Well then Popick's first plan had him winning the belt. I saw it in GCF.

Okay the original Trinity plan was this, befor ePopick altered it and I walked:

 

In the build to AM2 it would be unknown whether I was aWo or OAOAST, at AM2 I'd make the choice and help the OAOAST. As a reward Zack would offer me friendly title match to settle our feud from back in June/July 2002. Zack would beat me clean, sending me for a loop and questioning my own skills. I would grow jealous of Zack's popularity and allign with EvenFlow who would feel similarly bitter about Zack's success and popularity. I would act as manager of EvenFlow and eventually reconcile him with Sandman. I would add a fourth member either Reject or a newbie. We would be called the 'apocalypse' and chase Zack for a while like the Deadly Alliance after Sting. Mind you, this was going to build to allow Zack to feud with others. Eventually Zack would defeat the Aocalypse and segue into the l;ong awaited Zack Vs. Evenflow feud, which instead was blown off so quickly it was a travesty.

Sandman would then be next in line for a shot, while the fourth newbie member would defeat and retire me.

The thing with my concept was that at anytime if something better came up between AM2 and the kick off, the angle could be dropped.

Plus the 'Apocalypse' was not going to be plastered all over IZ like the Trinity.

Well BPP changed the angle to eliminate Sandie and Reject and put himself as leader with me second in command and rename it the Deadly Alliance. As soon as I read BBP's reformed angle I quit because it took away the whole point of the angle, to get Evenflow, Sandman and a Newbie up the card and cement Zack is a great champion, and I wasn't asked to consider or consulted, instead Popick posted his idea in the bokers folder as gospel.

But as they say, the rest is history.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

Damn Caboose. Even *I* had no idea that's how in depth it got. All I had known was that you and Evenflow were going to cook up an angle against me.

 

Shit, that Apocalypse thing would have been fun.

 

Now you'll just have to suffer for being my ally.

 

For now.

 

[Guest caboose]

Damn Caboose. Even *I* had no idea that's how in depth it got. All I had known was that you and Evenflow were going to cook up an angle against me.

 

Shit, that Apocalypse thing would have been fun.

 

Now you'll just have to suffer for being my ally.

 

For now.

 

Yeah I knwo it went against my own policy of not over booking stuff, but there were so many directions it could go in, I thought it was cool.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

A little pre planning doesn't hurt anyone. However, some of our best ideas have come off the top of our heads. Hell, look at HeldDOWN for example. We really have no clue how we're going to segue into the next week from the previous, but have put out damn good shows. Hell, what I'm doing tonight I just thought of LAST NIGHT, and I think it's a great angle.

 

The OAOAST can still have the 'randomness' appeal with a little bit of thinking ahead. It's just when things become obvious and or spoiled that you have to look at it and say "what's the point".

 

All that said, the timing of you coming back couldn't be better Caboose, because of all this going on. When it comes to damage control, you're the man.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

*looks at the chaos of bitchiness that has ensued and consumed the OAOAST from me asking SS a simple question*

 

...I'm keeping my damn mouth shut from now on those types of subjects. Cause geez, I fucking open up a can of worms.

 

*realization hits*

 

To keep on the subject of booking, to the bookers: I know you wish for me to contend for the X title at some point, but is there a set time table for that? Or do you just wish for me to be involved in the division?

[Guest Zack Malibu]

*looks at the chaos of bitchiness that has ensued and consumed the OAOAST from me asking SS a simple question*

 

...I'm keeping my damn mouth shut from now on those types of subjects. Cause geez, I fucking open up a can of worms.

 

*realization hits*

 

To keep on the subject of booking, to the bookers: I know you wish for me to contend for the X title at some point, but is there a set time table for that? Or do you just wish for me to be involved in the division?

There's no timetable on title wins or anything, Flik. Feel free to talk with anyone else in the X Division (Dreams, Rando, Purist, etc.) to work out angles. While I may toss out suggestions, I'd feel better knowing those on our show are doing what they want to do.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

There's no timetable on title wins or anything, Flik. Feel free to talk with anyone else in the X Division (Dreams, Rando, Purist, etc.) to work out angles. While I may toss out suggestions, I'd feel better knowing those on our show are doing what they want to do.

No, no, no. What I mean is, do you guys actually want me to contend for the X title., or just be a roamer for people to beat up and go over to get to the X title.