Booker T will never win the title

[Guest Johnson1620]

And Bored, let's see those numbers.  Oh, and don't forget to include before the nWo and after the nWo and all the ones up until Booker got the belt.  I'm sure you see my point.

Here ya go sunshine:

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...cw/wcwnitro.htm

 

And see your point? That dredging up the same old wrestler who buried the #1 draw in WCW at Starrcade '98? Soon after was the finger poke of doom at the beginning of 1999 where Nitro drew a 5.0 and by the end of the year had fallen to a 2.9.

 

Yup I see your point...your a fuckin moron! Woo hoo good job.

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

[Guest Johnson1620]

Okay, that's enough of the flaming. Either discuss it rationally or take it to NHB.

Thank You.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

anyone else think it was funny that "Finger Poke Of Doom" fell on the same night that WCW ripped on WWF for putting the belt on Foley?

[Bored 0]

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

HAHAHAHAAHAHA Well I've had my fun and told to keep quiet now so I'll just let the other freaks handle that last comment.

[Guest Human Fly]

How can Benoit and Booker T. be partially to blame for the ratings downfall when Benoit won the title one night on a PPV, and then was out of the company the next day.

 

Booker didn't even win the title until July, 6 months after the ratings went in the crapper.

 

I don't think any one wrestler was really to blame. WCW backstage was political turmoil with all of the changes being made after the AOL-Turner merger. That was the real killer of WCW.

[Guest RedJed]

And Bored, let's see those numbers.  Oh, and don't forget to include before the nWo and after the nWo and all the ones up until Booker got the belt.  I'm sure you see my point.

Here ya go sunshine:

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...cw/wcwnitro.htm

 

And see your point? That dredging up the same old wrestler who buried the #1 draw in WCW at Starrcade '98? Soon after was the finger poke of doom at the beginning of 1999 where Nitro drew a 5.0 and by the end of the year had fallen to a 2.9.

 

Yup I see your point...your a fuckin moron! Woo hoo good job.

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

Here's an idea, why dont you back up these outlandish claims you are making yourself first........

[Guest Ascalon]

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

 

Heh, I dont have any proof...but the finger poke of doom was the funniest thing ive ever seen on WCW TV. As for it being the impetus for the downfall...i personally think it started around the time Scott Norton and Buff joined nWo. Elite? Not anymore.

 

 

 

Nash or HBK duh because THE CLIQ OWNZ YAZ DUDEZ!

 

Yup....nothing like a cripple and...well...a cripple havin the title.

[Guest RedJed]

I don't think any one wrestler was really to blame. WCW backstage was political turmoil with all of the changes being made after the AOL-Turner merger. That was the real killer of WCW.

Exactly...........you had insanity in the backstage even back as far as 95-96. Hogan unforunately seemed to start a trend that took over like a forest fire with workers getting their way left and right. Once the creative ideas really started going out the windows, guys like Bischoff went to the workers to essentially run the company from a creative perspective. Politics took over tenfold from there. It had nothing to do with who was world champ at this time and that time, although if ANYTHING devalued that title, it was probably Hogan rehashing title runs over and over when fans were sick of his WCW act, and lets not forget about Mr. Barfquette. By the time Booker got the belt, the fans that were still around were RELIEVED!! Watch Bash 2000.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

I think that next week on RAW...somebody needs to launch a pig with wings over the ring....

 

HHH will drop to the ground and Booker T will pin him 1-2-3.... even if they are in the parking garage!

[Guest RedJed]

anyone else think it was funny that "Finger Poke Of Doom" fell on the same night that WCW ripped on WWF for putting the belt on Foley?

Yeah, and then IIRC people switched over in DROVES to see Raw lol.

 

Many do say that night in Jan 99 was the turning point full over in WCW's partial success to beginning of the ultimate failure. They teased a Starrcade rematch and instead got Hogan getting the belt back, which was probably the worst idea to do at that time since his last run before that was losing any momentum Hogan had left as a draw. So what do they do? Repeat the process.........ugh.

[Guest Memoirs of an Invisible Chevy]

anyone else think it was funny that "Finger Poke Of Doom" fell on the same night that WCW ripped on WWF for putting the belt on Foley?

Yeah, and then IIRC people switched over in DROVES to see Raw lol.

 

Many do say that night in Jan 99 was the turning point full over in WCW's partial success to beginning of the ultimate failure. They teased a Starrcade rematch and instead got Hogan getting the belt back, which was probably the worst idea to do at that time since his last run before that was losing any momentum Hogan had left as a draw. So what do they do? Repeat the process.........ugh.

It was there big Jan 4th show at the Georgia Dome. It was HYPED! It was such a disappointment. It showed WCW hadn't learned anything, and was going to re-hash their one popular angle. It didn't work.

[Guest bob_barron]

Okay, that's enough of the flaming. Either discuss it rationally or take it to NHB.

Thank You.

Do you have any sources to back up any of the mindless drivel that your posting or is this one of your posts to 'teach us something' like you said in NHB.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Well this is the guy who was arguing giving the World Title to Nash so why don't we take a look at Nash's run in May/June of 99. Let's see in April your still pulling 4's and high 3's and then the Nash feud starts and all of a sudden we have mid to low 3s.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Smarkzone's back then.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Booker T did not kill WCW the nWo and all of its bastard mini groups did it.

Giving the belt to non deserving tomatoe cans is what killed the wCw. The mini groups didn't help, neither did Russo, but it wasn't the nWo. Giving the belt to no talented mid carders didn't help any either.

Wow, I've been waiting for someone to blame Russo. He usually gets blamed. Hey, for a selfish company with a roster full of selfish wrestlers, they sure made a lot of stars up in Dubya Cee Dubya.

 

 

Booker T- Tag Team Jobber all the way through to DESERVING champion.

 

DDP- From manager, to jobber, all the way through to World's Champion.

 

Scott Steiner- From Great Tag Star, to main eventer and World Champ after he came back from WWF.

 

Goldberg- Right from debuting he was given the push.

 

And of course, there's Sting. I think you'd count Vader too. They tried it with Ron Simmons too. Didn't work of course, but WCW tried to make home-grown stars.

 

A little off topic, but then again the topic is pretty pointless.

[Guest Johnson1620]

And Bored, let's see those numbers.  Oh, and don't forget to include before the nWo and after the nWo and all the ones up until Booker got the belt.  I'm sure you see my point.

Here ya go sunshine:

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...cw/wcwnitro.htm

 

And see your point? That dredging up the same old wrestler who buried the #1 draw in WCW at Starrcade '98? Soon after was the finger poke of doom at the beginning of 1999 where Nitro drew a 5.0 and by the end of the year had fallen to a 2.9.

 

Yup I see your point...your a fuckin moron! Woo hoo good job.

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

Here's an idea, why dont you back up these outlandish claims you are making yourself first........

I got what I said from the site Bored posted. If you want proof of what I am saying go look there.

 

Do you have any sources to back up any of the mindless drivel that your posting or is this one of your posts to 'teach us something' like you said in NHB.

 

No bob. Like I said above click on the link that Bored gave.

[cawthon777 0]

Isn't it obvious by now that he hasn't got what it takes.  And yet every day we have people saying "Give Booker the belt!"  Why?  So he can kill the WWE like he did 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times, 5 times in the wCw.

 

Give it a rest he'll never get it and the Clique owns Vince.

Is this bizarro world where it was Booker's fault WCW went in the crapper and not Luger, Sting, Nash, Russo, Bischoff, Hogan, or AOL / Time-Warner as a whole? Booker was one of the few highlights of WCW from 2000-01. If the WWF went out of business in 1993, would anyone be blaming it on Bret Hart?

 

I knew he wasn't going to win the title last night but as the match progressed I got caught up in it to the point where I started arguing with the TV over the finish. If you want to get technical, HBK's hand did hit the mat three times...

[Guest notJames]

So are we just supposed to accept what Vince and the Clique are spoon-feeding us? Or do we make our opinions known in the hopes that someone out there has the ability to change things?

 

The voice of change should never be silenced, no matter how much hope is lost.

[Guest bob_barron]

And Bored, let's see those numbers.  Oh, and don't forget to include before the nWo and after the nWo and all the ones up until Booker got the belt.  I'm sure you see my point.

Here ya go sunshine:

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...cw/wcwnitro.htm

 

And see your point? That dredging up the same old wrestler who buried the #1 draw in WCW at Starrcade '98? Soon after was the finger poke of doom at the beginning of 1999 where Nitro drew a 5.0 and by the end of the year had fallen to a 2.9.

 

Yup I see your point...your a fuckin moron! Woo hoo good job.

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

Here's an idea, why dont you back up these outlandish claims you are making yourself first........

I got what I said from the site Bored posted. If you want proof of what I am saying go look there.

 

Do you have any sources to back up any of the mindless drivel that your posting or is this one of your posts to 'teach us something' like you said in NHB.

 

No bob. Like I said above click on the link that Bored gave.

Did you ever stop to think that Booker T wasn't even built up properly before he became champion?

 

He was involved in feuds with Perfect Event and Kanyon before he became champion.

 

He got a less then two month reign before had to lose to Kevin 'Draw' Nash.

 

His second title reign saw him jobbing the title to a NON-WRESTLER.

 

His third title reign saw him being made into a bitch by Scott Steiner.

 

Look at the ratings- it's obvios Nash, despite getting a Jesus push, is a huge bomb. Booker T really hasn't been given a fair shake.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Johnson1620 has been banned for being a previously banned poster.

[cawthon777 0]

Did you ever stop to think that Booker T wasn't even built up properly before he became champion?

 

He was involved in feuds with Perfect Event and Kanyon before he became champion.

Hmmm, that sounds oddly familiar. Let me think ... what other wrestler was given the world title out of nowhere, his career seemingly in purgatory, during one of the darker periods of the promotion's history when ratings were in the crapper and the big stars weren't pulling their weight?

 

What was his name...? Damnit! One minute he's hardly on TV and when he is he's working programs with Papa Shango and the next minute he becomes the first guy to make Ric Flair submit in route to winning a world championship.

 

Oh yeah ... Bret Hart.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Johnson1620 has been banned for being a previously banned poster.

Who was it?

[Guest bob_barron]

And Bored, let's see those numbers.  Oh, and don't forget to include before the nWo and after the nWo and all the ones up until Booker got the belt.  I'm sure you see my point.

Here ya go sunshine:

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/p...cw/wcwnitro.htm

 

And see your point? That dredging up the same old wrestler who buried the #1 draw in WCW at Starrcade '98? Soon after was the finger poke of doom at the beginning of 1999 where Nitro drew a 5.0 and by the end of the year had fallen to a 2.9.

 

Yup I see your point...your a fuckin moron! Woo hoo good job.

What I saw was when they took the belt from good wrestlers and gave it to people like Jarrett, Benoit, Vicious and Booker T. It was losing viewers. Show me proof that the "finger of doom" started the downfall.

Why don't you read what Bored put in front of you.

 

After the FPOD the ratings NEVER went above a 5.0 (with the exception of a show that aired when RAW was pushed back 2 hrs).

 

What does that tell you? That we're right and you're wrong.

 

By the end of 1999 they had fallen to 2.9. You attribute to putting the title on-

 

Jeff Jarrett (Didn't become world champ until April 2000)

Benoit (Didn't become champ till January 2000 and lasted all of one day)

Sid (Didn't become champ till January 2000)

Booker T (Didn't become champ till June 2000)

 

You're outrageous claims have been proven wrong time and time again. You want to just throw in the towel and admit you're a fucking moron?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Smarkzone.

[Guest bob_barron]

Why am I not suprised

[Guest notJames]

Smarkzone's back then.

Looks like saturnmark4life called it.

 

Apologies if I missed anyone else calling it. Or, as they say in the 'hood, "My bad."

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Booker will end up like Kane... which is pretty much well what we all thought in the first place.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Booker will end up like Kane... which is pretty much well what we all thought in the first place.

meaning he'll drop to the bottom and tag with RVD.

 

RVD

Take

Booker

 

All went from legit uppercarders to a solid midcard after HHH feuds. Jericho's just keeping himself over enough to avoid it.

[Guest Lonewolf218]

No bob.  Like I said above click on the link that Bored gave.

 

 

Judging by the statistics from the board Bored gave us, it seems as though the ratings started to decline by 1999. By this time such proven stars as Hogan, Savage, Sting, Flair, Nash, Goldberg and Luger were headlining the main events.

 

Now the ratings didn't hit the 2 area until August 23, 1999 where they were building up to the mainevent of Hulk Hogan vs Sting at Fall Brawl. Although the rating did balloon up to 4.0 it quickly declined.

 

For your assumption that Booker T caused the downfall of WCW, lets go back to those statistics. At the start of 2000 the world champion was Bret Hart and the first Nitro rating was 3.3, far below the 5.0 from last year. Sometime in January the World Title became vacant and WCW did not have a champion. At the pay per view Souled Out Sid and Benoit main evented for the title. That pay per view garnered a .25 buy rate, the same as last years where the main event was Goldberg v.s Sting.

 

The only time Benoit was ever shown with the title was at that Souled Out main event because he quickly left WCW. During this time Sid was the World Champion and the ratings were in the decline. Also at this time the main eventers were Sid, Scott Hall, Sting, Kevin Nash, and Jeff Jarrett. Between those people the title was being won by Jarrett, Flair, Page, Nash, and David Arquette.

 

Finally, Booker T didn't carry the World Title till July 9, 2000 at Bash at the Beach. When he won the title the ratings were already in the shitter and in the 2.0's. So when Booker carried the title, there wasn't anything he could do change the ratings for the better. Everything was horribly ran and when Vince Russo took control of WCW, the production began to obviously look like a second rate WWF, which the fans didn't want.

 

So judging by those statistics the ratings were already in the decline even before Booker had the title. Should all the blame go to Booker T, no. Fans interest was already dropping no matter who was on top.

 

But this is just all statistics

 

EDIT: Since he's been banned, I guess what I put down means nothing.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Hey, Kane won that casket match, he got put over! *Groan*

 

World Wrestling Entertainment: The Kliq's playground.