One and Only NWA:TNA Week 42 Thread

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Someone made a reference to "same old, same old." The first thing I noticed when I was watching tonight was that I didn't feel like I'd really missed anything since early February, like I'd just seen it last week.

 

I mean, you think that in almost three months they'd have shaken things up at least a little. Rant is correct here, until we start getting special supercards or whatever instead of the usual weekly grind, there will be no real feelings of closure anywhere.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

If Raven would have won tonight with no plan of action afterwards, it would have been pointless.

Well how long have they had to plan a direction for Raven and Jarrett post this match now ? Raven won his title shot a couple of months back so I don't really buy your reasoning there. I don't see how Raven can come out looking good from this - he couldn't beat JJ with the help of half a dozen guys and the mother of all beatdowns ?

 

Good show nonetheless, it's clear that JJ is NWATNA's HHH but at least there's a strong undercard there to hold the show together.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Exactly.............instead we have people refusing to give TNA another chance because of one finish

You have to bear in mind the state of the wrestling product in North America at the moment - people are burned out and jaded of the whole gig, especially the internet/smark audience who have had a gutful of bullshit "maineventers" who abuse their positions to the detrement of all and sundry.

 

Enter NWATNA who hyped last night's show as their big deal, as the culmination of the feud between Raven and Jarrett and the 'must-see' event of their history to date.

 

And what's the last impression that any new viewers who tuned in are left with ? A bullshit "maineventer" abusing his power to the detrement of the company.

 

I enjoyed the show myself but I can understand the thinking behind those who tuned in for the first time ever/in a while and left with a sour taste in their mouth.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Time will tell...........I think they have a plan to have Raven win next week

There's no logic to that at all - why bust a gut to hype the first Raven/Jarrett match, have Raven lose it and then give him the win the very next week ?

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

But how in the hell do you know that Russo and Jarrett dont have a cage match for the world title 3 or 4 weeks from now.

This being the case, they should've saved their big push for this instead of blowing their load on a Jarrett win.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

you cant just not give them a chance cause they, in your mind, fucked up.

Nonsense.

 

If they were on free television, I might agree with you, but it makes perfect sense to keep your bills in your wallet if you feel like they fucked it up last night.

 

Once again, I enjoyed the show myself.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Good point by Syxx by the way with Raven.........whats the point of giving him the belt if they have no direction with him in the aftermath?

They've had months to come up with a post-title win direction for Raven.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

It was too important on this most important show that Raven win that title.

 

They blew it.

 

I liked the rest of the show...except the last minute.

 

That's the part you're supposed to like the most.

Jesus-Fuck, I agree with every single word of that

[Guest geniusMoment]

Christ on a cracker you have made a lot of posts.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Yeah, and I said pretty much the same things in all of them, but there you go.

[syxx2001 0]

devin has made the best points about tna catering to their real fans and not the ones wh ordered because of hype. what hype, you haven't even ordered the show before.

 

Good show nonetheless, it's clear that JJ is NWATNA's HHH but at least there's a strong undercard there to hold the show together.

 

how. tell me how. because he still has his belt? and you know this is the end of this feud how? you have some kind of secret access to the tna staff meeting? if not, everyone who has said that should shut up. if you dont remember, how did triple h's feud go with kane? buried him with the katie vick angle. there goes that "trying to get other people to watch" thing. how did he kill rvd? with his promos. how did he kill scott steiner? both of them killed that feud. and the booker t feud was ok. booker got in SOME promo time and interaction backstage, but no offense in the wm match.

[Guest bob_barron]

You hate capitalising words don't you?

 

and you know this is the end of this feud how? you have some kind of secret access to the tna staff meeting? if not, everyone who has said that should shut up.

 

Jarrett is Triple H in the sense-

1)His family runs the promotion

2)He's held the belt forever

3)He just beat two of his top contenders in matches hyped for weeks.

 

While the feud is probably not over (who knows) why should I plunk down the money to see a rematch? I just saw them go 17 minutes with-

 

blood, tables, handcuffs, Sabu, Alexis Lauree, Julio Dinero, Team Extreme, S-E-X- all interfering.

 

Now why should I pay $10 to see the exact same thing again?? The fans who bought it just for the hype may not buy another show- and TNA needs all the fans it can get.

 

, how did triple h's feud go with kane? buried him with the katie vick angle.

 

That's funny- Kane won the blowoff match.

 

how did he kill rvd? with his promos.

 

Nope- He killed RVD in that match where HBK was the ref.

 

TNA had the chance to put Raven over and have him complete his 3 month destiny and go on to other things. Instead they blew it and they probably pissed off a lot of people who wanted to see the big blowoff.

[Guest RedJed]

Time will tell...........I think they have a plan to have Raven win next week

There's no logic to that at all - why bust a gut to hype the first Raven/Jarrett match, have Raven lose it and then give him the win the very next week ?

I love repeating myself, its like you guys dont even read some of the opposing viewpoints posts.

 

Its called THE CHASE, booking 101. They know fans want Raven to win, so they milk it a tad. This is nothing new in wrestling and it should surprise none of us "superfans."

[Guest RedJed]

Good point by Syxx by the way with Raven.........whats the point of giving him the belt if they have no direction with him in the aftermath?

They've had months to come up with a post-title win direction for Raven.

Did you ever think they still do and thats part of why he hasn't gotten the belt yet. Like I just said, people are interested in this whole "destiny" thing so they are planning on going a little farther with it. As someone said, it also makes more sense for TNA to draw out this feud for the sake of the hardcore fans who WILL get a rematch, etc. They have decided to make this company just like one that would be on cable right now. Whether that is good or bad is up to debate, but I think its probably the smarter thing long term if they want any momentum at all on this ppv venture. They NEED to get a consistent fanbase, and hotshotting things doesn't work, its already been documented.

 

I dont get why its so hard for you guys to understand this..........the Raven-Jarrett program is a hot one and its just bad business to blow their load on it all after one match.

[Guest Devin]

you cant just not give them a chance cause they, in your mind, fucked up.

Nonsense.

 

If they were on free television, I might agree with you, but it makes perfect sense to keep your bills in your wallet if you feel like they fucked it up last night.

 

Once again, I enjoyed the show myself.

Once again, if you enjoyed the show yourself, then they've done exactly what they should have. It seems like everyone who watches the show every week enjoyed the show, they're just complaining for the first time viewers. Well if a first time viewer can look past everything that was great with the show, and say it isn't worth ordering again because Jarret won, then they don't need a fan like that anyways.

 

Why are they going to base their booking on the guy who only orders the "big" shows with tons of hype? They've obviously had at least a general idea of what they're wanting to do with this feud, and they shouldn't change that, just because that have a few fickle fans watching to see Raven win NOW, and not have to pay AGAIN to see him do it.

 

They obviously see that Raven's destiny has gotten over huge, so they want to build on that. If he won last night, he'd have no destiny. Not only that, but he would have attained his destiny rather easilly, on his first try. It's a FUCKING DESTINY (!), it's not supposed to be easy to achieve. You think the movie 8 Mile would have been nearly as profitable if Eminem just won all those battles at the beginning of the movie, instead of choking on stage? Raven winning the title is just the happy ending to the movie (feud). It's all he goes through getting there that matters, and what people are actually compelled to watch. Had he won it last night, then it would have been Jarrett's chase, and he would be the winner in the end.

 

The REAL story of the match wasn't that Jarrett overcame the odds anyways. It was that Raven's own greed, his own pride, is what kep him from achieving his goal. That he had Jarrett beaten, handcuffed, and helpless. All he had to do was Evenflow him while handcuffed, and pin him. But he had to prove (to himself) that he could beat Jarrett on an even playing field. So he uncuffs him, and waits for him to get up, screams at him to get up. That point is only further made, when you look at the beginning of the match, and Raven is trying to outwrestle Jarrett, instead of the usual brawling. He needed to prove (to himself) that he could beat Jarrett at his own game. And only when Jarrett resorts to using Raven's style, does he start to brawl. The whole story of the match, was one big lesson to Raven, not Jarrett.

 

Anyways, once again this post is alot longer then I planned. But my point is, if you're only reason for their decision being wrong is a fickle fan who didn't pay to see any of the build up, just wanted to see the blowoff, not being happy, then it's really not a valid point. As long as YOU, me, and the rest of the people who have been watching each week, understand that this is just getting started, then they've done the right thing.

[Guest Devin]

I love repeating myself, its like you guys dont even read some of the opposing viewpoints posts.

I was thinking the same thing when I spent the last fifteen minutes, basically repeating myself.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Re: Raven winning the rematch...

 

If there is a rematch, which I hope there will be (at the anniversary show, hopefully), then Raven should win it. Hands-down. Only, no interference. Many near-falls on both man. Many weapons, big bumps, and both men covered in blood and sweat. And the best way I can think of to have Raven win it would be to have a pseudo-repeat of the finish of his match vs. Scotty Riggs at WCW World War 3 '98. Have Raven hit, say, about 3 Evenflow's right in a row. At WW3 '98, Raven then let the ref count Riggs out. But at the TNA Anniversary, I'd say have Raven then grab a few chairs, pile 'em up, and hit another few Evenflow's onto the chairs. Cover. 1. 2. 3. It's left without a doubt that Raven is the champion, he has fulfilled his destiny.

 

Re: The Evenflow itself

It seems nobody wants to sell the Evenflow like it is death these days. Everybody seems to sell it like a normal DDT. Why? In WCW, ECW, and even his early WWF days (as Raven), the Evenflow WAS death. It was pretty much a head-drop DDT. The person taking it needs to only dive forward, put their hands down, and once they're about an inch away from the mat, shoot up and fall to the side, acting like the move IS death. I miss that selling of the move. It made the Evenflow DDT seem like something more than just your standard transition.

[Astro101 0]

What's the fun if you know who's gonna win just because an event is heavily hyped?

[syxx2001 0]

For the past few weeks, I've been shelling out $10 a week to watch TNA and I've come to the conclusion that it is actually not bad... Can't stand the announcer, and some of the interviews, but the matches themselves are excellent and all PPV quality (who would have thought...) The X division always put on good matches and wrestlers that were formally held back can put on great shows (ie. Raven, who did a great job in his match against Jarret last night, although it would have been better if he would have won...)

 

And with other superstars like Credible, D'Lo, AJ Styles, Loki, Saturn, Amazing Red, Jerry Lynn, Ron "The Truth" Killings, and the newly aquired Sabu, the NWA:TNA will only become better.

 

And that's my rant on why I'll continue to spend $10 a week for the NWA:TNA... Still #2 to the WWE, but coming pretty damn close... Can't wait to see Raven and his Clockwork Orange House of Fun become champion...

 

this is guy is a new fan and like the tna show, but he didn't agree with the ending and he still watches. why cant some of you do that? im not asking you to change your views but see that it might go somewhere other than down the drain like of you are thinking. AND

 

people are seeming to base the whole show on the main event. if you wont order or support the show anymore because the main event was blown (some say it was blown, but the match was a great match. how can that be?), then what have you been ordering the show for for the past 11 months. there has never been a main event as big as this was, yet you want to drop the whole promotion because of the one main event? if that was the case, you should have stopped watching after the 1st show. malice vs shamrock isn't exactly show stealing MOTYC. and devin, like always, makes a good point. everyone who is mad, is being mad for the 1st timers. be mad for yourself. be mad that you over looked the first hour and 30 minutes only to base the whole show off the main event. i can name millions of wrestling shows that had horrible main events but some of the previous matches were good.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

I don't know if it's wilful or not but you guys are missing the points being made by myself and others by a fairly wide margin - all I can do is point you towards BPS' first post on this thread and if you don't get what he's saying, well, I've nothing to say to you.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well with Raven gone from TNA I guess the point is moot

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Where did it say Raven's gone? It said Raven hasn't signed a new contract, which many believe is just a power play for either more money or to get Russo in a higher position.

[Guest bob_barron]

Yea- I realise that now. My friend IMed me saying 'Raven's gone'.

[Guest Devin]

I don't know if it's wilful or not but you guys are missing the points being made by myself and others by a fairly wide margin - all I can do is point you towards BPS' first post on this thread and if you don't get what he's saying, well, I've nothing to say to you.

Errr... I'm assuming you mean the one where he said they should have had Raven win tonight, because of all the new fans? I responded to that twice, explaining in detail why I disagreed. There is someone missing the points being made here, but it's not me.

 

Also, all you have to do is go over to pwtorch, and you'll see what all the new viewers thought about it. They have three pages of feedback so far, and every single one is positive. A large portion of those are from new viewers, and the majority of the feedback lists the main event as the best match.

[Guest RedJed]

All I know is this, I frequent through a lot of boards and I havent seen the petty backlash for one freakin finish as much as its been here. Dont worry, I see the other side of points, I just dont think it makes sense is all.

[syxx2001 0]

i think everyone being negative is because they think this was the blowoff. it could have been, but what if its not. no one knows for sure.

 

and devin is right. check the first page on pwtorch.com. every reaction for the tna ppv was positive. with a few casual tna fans claiming to love the main event or promise to order more.

[Guest bob_barron]

i think everyone being negative is because they think this was the blowoff. it could have been, but what if its not. no one knows for sure.

 

and devin is right. check the first page on pwtorch.com. every reaction for the tna ppv was positive. with a few casual tna fans claiming to love the main event or promise to order more.

No one is saying the show didn't suck.

 

But the finish to the show DID suck.

 

I don't really have interest in seeing a rematch since we got blood, tables, interference and the like- plus JJ beat Raven pretty decisevly

[Guest SP-1]

I skimmed through part of the thread so forgive me if someone else brought this up.

 

But this is week 42.

 

Has it occoured to anyone that they might be building to something really big with that title in ten weeks (the one year anniversary)? If I had the book . . . I'd have done this as well. And I'd be kicking it into overdrive now building to what has a right to be called the "Big One" for them, the year ender.

 

Just thought I'd point that out. I could be very wrong.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Hey everyone haterizing (TM Theodore Long) on Jeff Jarret should read the thread about Raven's contract expired the same night, and he refused to sign a new one, holding out for more money. It looks like Jeff made the smart move for his company and not a selfish one.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Actually, the anniversary is in 7 weeks, SP. Week 49 will be the Anniversary Show.

 

-We don't count the X-Division special

-The break for 9/11

-The break for X-Mas

 

And I understand that they're probably building to something huge with the NWA World title at the anniversary show. However, it's not so much the fact that Raven lost, it's HOW he lost. JJ got the living hell beaten out of him, and he beat Raven CLEAN in the center of the ring. That ISN'T right. I know that if Raven lost after Eric Watts did a run-in with all of those weapons he had being used (and I'm a little iffy on just WHY Watts didn't run-in), I wouldn't be bitching as much. And I would only be complaining due to personal preferences instead of booking logic.