One and Only NWA:TNA Week 42 Thread

[Astro101 0]

On one hand, yes, Raven should've won according to the hype, but am I going to label it all on politics and call Jarrett HHH? No.

 

I have faith that TNA knows what they're doing.

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

Anyways, there WAS booing for Jarretts win, and it seemed louder than what the Heel Section could provide. They do a lousy job of miking the crowd, but I heard about a 40-50% negative reaction loud and clear.

I also noticed some "Jarrett sucks" chants too, so that should tell you what the logical decision should have been tonight, and that was for Raven to win the title.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Yeah, the shit being thrown into the ring was clearly from the Heel Section, but the boos were all over.

[Guest RedJed]

But the point is Raven SHOULD have won the belt TONIGHT, because his destiny was to win the NWA World Heavyweight title, but he didn't, so like I said, if a rematch happens, it won't mean as much because it won't have the hype and anticipation that the first match did.

If its his "destiny" then it wont end and it will continue UNTIL he wins it. But you guys dont want to hear all that mess. And you all are just assuming a rematch wont have the hype and anticipation as the first.......you never know what they have up their sleeve. Like I said before, a double turn in the midst of the buildup of a rematch would be pretty cool, if you ask me. It would build more foundation about the reasoning you all dont want to hear about an over character being given a solid chase for a title, not just months of building up that initial match without anymore to go with it. Having Raven get the belt tonight and then having Jarrett defeat him in a rematch would have COMPLETELY defeated the purpose and would have gotten a strong backlash in itself, including from me. Face it, Raven is NOT a traditional heel that fans love to see get his ass kicked -ala a Kid Kash - when he's getting the reactions that he is........thats why most people wont poop out on caring about him after ONE FREAKIN LOSS to the world champ. They WANT to see him get the title, and TNA knows this. They're just keeping a hot feud going..........Jarrett has already chased the title and doesn't need to be doing it again. If/when the rematch happens, rest assured Raven will get his just dues, akin to an effect how Taker put over Brock at No Mercy, and Raven wasn't used even half as bad as Brock was in the buildup and match before the big win over Taker in HIAC.

 

All I can do to best explain this once and for all is by saying this.........obviously by the thoughts here and the reactions lately, not to mention character portrayal, Raven is moreless an unoffical babyface chasing the title from a unofficial heel champ Jarrett. Now should the babyface in a title chase be given the title in his FIRST MATCH for it? In most cases, no way. Not unless he's gone through a million different obstacles before he gets that match. This is just another obstacle in the way of the "destiny fulfilled."

[Guest Big Poppa Popick]

Scott Levy lives on the northwest side of Atlanta, a 4 hour drive...

 

its not like he is that far away...i can make that in 3 hours almost

 

edit: to whomever made that comment about abotu proximity

[syxx2001 0]

I also noticed some "Jarrett sucks" chants too, so that should tell you what the logical decision should have been tonight, and that was for Raven to win the title.

 

see, theres another problem. for weeks, fans have been cheering and booing jarrett. and someone here said it, jarrett could murder a fan in the ring and still get cheered for it. this isn't the wwf. results aren't written out 15 minutes before show time on mcdonalds reciepts. they couldn't have just switched everything up and gave raven the belt after hearing the reaction, THEN being confused on what to do with him. then you guys would have said "jarrett should have kept the belt until they found something for raven to do." wrestling fans just dont know what they want sometimes.

[Guest bob_barron]

As much as I hate Raven-

 

Jarrett has been champion for just way too long. Raven definetley should've gone over tonight. Jarrett's beaten Styles and Raven- who is left???

[Guest Devin]

You are all blowing this out of proportion, and not even looking at the big picture. What would Raven's destiny have meant if he was able to fulfill it on his first try? Not much. If Raven had won the title tonight, the whole destiny storyline we've all been enjoying would be over. Then Jarrett would be the one chasing the title, and the blowoff would be him becoming champ all over again.

 

Instead, they've thrown a speedbump onto Raven's road to fulfilling his destiny. Which means it's going to continue, and Raven is going to be even MORE focused and determined at achieving it. If he aligned with both S.E.X. AND Team Extreme just to ensure that he'd win the title this time, what measures is Raven going to take now that he realizes that wasn't enough? You think Raven was crazy before, what's he going to be like now?!? Raven's promos are best when he's going absolutely crazy, and he hasn't even really done that yet. I expect to see a Raven promo next week, circa ECW '95. He could even end up beating himself up (verbally), because he was so sure that he had it won, that he made the mistake of uncuffing Jarrett and letting him to get his feet.

 

It's funny. For years you have people complaining about too many title changes, and so many title matches, that titles are absolutely meaningless. Now we've got a company that actually makes title matches seem special, and title changes seem epic, and people complain. For all the shit people talk about the WWE, they sure are expecting TNA to book their show the same way.

 

You've also got people who are always complaining about there not being enough build up for feuds or stoylines. That you get a couple weeks worth of build-up on Raw or Smackdown, and then you already get the blowoff after ONE MATCH on ppv. Now, instead of wondering what they are going to do to make the rematch top this one, people are complaining that you have to have a rematch at all. It could end up being a ladder match, a cage match, another clockwork orange match, an iron man match... hell, Jarrett said in an interview today, he'd like to have a triple cage match in TNA, and make it truly special. There are tons of possibilities as to where they can go from here, for the next match.

 

Everyone should be happy right now, because they not only had a match that lived up to all the hype, but they're going to give us even more of it. That they aren't hotshotting things now, but building the feud up even more instead. That Jarrett winning now, means that he won't be the one winning the title in the blowoff to the feud. Instead, it's going to be Raven finally fulfilling his destiny, after all he's had to endure to do it. That we're going to see Raven flip out at not fulfilling his destiny the first time he had the chance to, furthering his storyline, and giving his character a chance to grow.

 

TNA realizes they finally have a feud that's capturing the attention of everyone, and they want to build on that. They don't want Jarrett vs. Raven to be the feud of the month, and have no one care about it 6 months later (like the people saying they don't care about Styles/Jarrett any more). They want this to be the feud of the year, something we all remember ten years from now. A feud that is looked back at, as the defining moment in TNA. Think about it like this, if Tommy Dreamer had beaten Raven in their first match, where would they have gone from there? Would it have meant near as much as it did when he finally beat him 3 years later? That storyline alone made Dreamer (a mediocre worker, if that), into arguably the biggest face in ECW for years. And that was because it was given the time to build slowly, and get people to practically beg for him to finally win.

 

I just think you are all whining, before you even see where they are going from here. There is so much potential to further this storyline, and make it mean even more when Raven does win the title. And if next week, Raven is feuding with Sabu and Jarrett's moving on to someone else, THEN you can all bitch and moan, and tell me how wrong I was. Until then, just give things a chance to develop.

[Guest RedJed]

"Jarrett has been champion for just way too long. Raven definetley should've gone over tonight. Jarrett's beaten Styles and Raven- who is left??? "

 

 

I dunno, a rematch with Raven or Styles maybe?

 

Good point by Syxx by the way with Raven.........whats the point of giving him the belt if they have no direction with him in the aftermath? Thats why I think building up this destiny thing even more and THEN giving him the belt makes sense. AGAIN its all about the chase. They obvioulsy know after tonight that the desicion wasn't well recieved, but I think thats the whole idea........so it leads to a rematch. They know people are behind Raven and his winning of the title, so why blow the load so fast like this?

[Guest RedJed]

You are all blowing this out of proportion, and not even looking at the big picture. What would Raven's destiny have meant if he was able to fulfill it on his first try? Not much. If Raven had one the title tonight, the whole destiny storyline we've all been enjoying would be over. Then Jarrett would be the one chasing the title, and the blowoff would be him becoming champ all over again.

 

Instead, they've thrown a speedbump onto Raven's road to fulfilling his destiny. Which means it's going to continue, and Raven is going to be even MORE focused and determined into achieving it. If he aligned with both S.E.X. AND Team Extreme just to insure that he'd win the title this time, what measures is Raven going to take now that he realizes that wasn't enough? You think Raven was crazy before? What's he going to be like now?!? Raven's promos are best when he's going absolutely crazy, and he hasn't even really done that yet. I expect to see a Raven promo next week, circa ECW '95. He could even end up beating himself up (verbally), because he was so sure that he had it won, that he made the mistake of uncuffing Jarrett and letting him to get his feet.

 

It's funny. For years you have people complaining about too many title changes, and so many title matches, that titles are absolutely meaningless. Now we've got a company that actually make title matches seem special, and title changes seem epic, and people complain. For all the shit people talk about the WWE, they sure are expecting TNA to book their show the same way.

 

You've also got people who are always complaining about there not being enough build up for feuds or stoylines. That you get a couple weeks worthof build-up on Raw or Smackdown, and then you already get the blowoff after ONE MATCH on ppv. Now, instead of wondering what they are going to do to make the rematch top this one, people are complaining that you have to have a rematch at all. Hell, it could end up being a ladder match, a cage match... hell, Jarrett said in an interview today, he'd like to have a triple cage match in TNA, and make it truly special. There are tons of possibilities as to where they can go from here, for the next match.

 

Everyone should be happy right now, because they not only had a match that lived up to all the hype, but they're going to give us even more of it. That they aren't hotshotting things now, but building the feud up even more instead. That Jarrett winning now, means that he won't be the one winning the title in the blowoff to the feud. Instead, it's going to be Raven finally fulfilling his destiny, after all he's had to endure to do it. That we're going to see Raven flip out at not fulfilling his destiny the first time he had the chance to, furthering his storyline, and giving his character a chance to grow.

 

TNA realizes they finally have a feud that's capturing the attention of everyone, and they want to build on that. They don't want Jarrett vs. Raven to be the feud of the month, and have no one care about it 6 months later (like the people saying they don't care about Styles/Jarrett any more). They want this to be the feud of the year, something we all remember ten years from now. A feud that is looked back at, as the defining moment in TNA. Think about it like this, if Tommy Dreamer had beaten Raven in their first match, where would they have gone from there? Would it have meant near as much as it did when he finally beat him 3 years later? That storyline alone made Dreamer (a mediocre worker, if that), into arguably the biggest face in ECW for years. And that was because it was given the time to build slowly, and get people to practically beg for him to finally win.

 

I just think you are all whining, before you even see where they are going from here. There is so much potential to further this storyline, and make it mean even more when Raven does when the title. And if next week, Raven is feuding with Sabu and Jarrett's moving on to someone else, THEN you can all bitch and moan, and tell me how wrong I was. Until then, just give things a chance to develop.

Amen man.............I agree that alot of what some of you all are bitching about is totally contradictory of what you all have proclaimed before of what you WANT in wrestling and what works and what doesn't. I still dont get how some of you can say Jarrett ISNT over or ISNT a draw, yet you think he should have lost the belt BUT then went chasing it again??!! Huh?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I have only skimmed the thread but I can pretty much guess what everyone is thinking.

 

As a general rule I don't mind Raven not winning the title...

 

HOWEVER...

 

There were probably more people watching tonight than any other night. The TNA guys went out there and provided some solid action all night long...

 

all that was needed for this show to be a show that would make those people stop and think about giving TNA a serious chance...

 

was the title to change.

 

It was too important on this most important show that Raven win that title.

 

They blew it.

 

I liked the rest of the show...except the last minute.

 

That's the part you're supposed to like the most.

[Guest bob_barron]

bps is right-

 

This was the first TNA show I'd seen since the disaster show in February and part of the reason I ordered it was to see Raven win the title and see what's next. Jarrett winning pissed me off because it just seems like things are same old same old.

 

It was still a good show, better then the one I saw in Feb, but Jarrett has held that title for way too long

[Guest RedJed]

So I'm guessing in hindsight did the WWE blow it when HHH beat Rock in that 4 way at Mania 16 instead of the predictable expected finish of Rock going over and getting the belt? Not if you ask me since the Backlash ppv the next month sure as shit got a tremendous reaction from a business and entertaining perspective.

 

I personally think if it turns a fan off that much that someone just didn't win one match that it will turn them that off from the product long term, thats lame. You cant expect them to blowoff this tremendous program in ONE MATCH.

[Guest bob_barron]

So I'm guessing in hindsight did the WWE blow it when HHH beat Rock in that 4 way at Mania 16 instead of the predictable expected finish of Rock going over and getting the belt? Not if you ask me since the Backlash ppv the next month sure as shit got a tremendous reaction from a business and entertaining perspective.

 

I personally think if it turns a fan off that much that someone just didn't win one match that it will turn them that off from the product long term, thats lame. You cant expect them to blowoff this tremendous program in ONE MATCH.

The buyrate for Backlash was mostly because of Steve Austin IMO.

 

The feud has been building since January so I do expect a blowoff in one match. As someone who can't watch TNA every week it bothers me that Raven v. JJ wasn't blown off. The match had been hyped and hyped and I think a lot of fans will be pissed that they didnt get a blowoff.

[syxx2001 0]

ok everyone who ordered to see raven win. would you be even more pissed if raven lost in a rematch next week and its basically like you wasted 20 dollars for nothing? and devin makes a great point. if dreamer would have won his feud with raven the first time they fought, then that would be it. when people think ecw, they think raven vs dreamer. it was a crazy feud. and i think with the fans behind raven, they could do a double turn with a heel vs tweener feud. it could work. raven cuts promos on jarrett, turning face, then beats up some chick, turning heel again. tweener. OR he could be the anti face like austin was.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

All right, you know what? I don't care anymore. One of my best friends and inspirations died on Monday and I just learned of it fifty minutes ago. Let's just watch. Let's just see what they do with the storyline. It could be good, you know. They built up the fued this well... and I'll be grateful if they just continue it well.

 

'Course, that's just me. You can debate this all you like.

[Guest MrRant]

This is why I think they need a super show or two.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

People will be pissed. And on any other night I'd agree with you RedJed...but this was a bigger night.

 

I don't really care when Raven wins the title because I order every week anyway. Sure I'm interested where it goes now...but I know I'll be watching.

 

I'm thinking of people who don't order all the time. They want to see the blowoff...because that's what's exciting. What should be done is Raven winning the title and then immediatly getting taken out by someone interesting (I'm thinking of Styles here) that way the people who ordered this show will also want to see the blowoff to that one.

[Guest bob_barron]

would you be even more pissed if raven lost in a rematch next week and its basically like you wasted 20 dollars for nothing?

I don't think I wasted my $10 but the finish left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't know if I would buy a show the next time they did Raven v. Jarrett since they already gave them a 17 minute match with interference, blood and all that- why would I pay $10 to see another one?

 

if dreamer would have won his feud with raven the first time they fought, then that would be it. when people think ecw, they think raven vs dreamer.

 

I don't care for ECW too much so that means nothing too me. NWATNA is a weekly PPV that people pay $10 to see- not a localised fed in Philly like ECW was for the first little while. ECW could afford to do that with its fanbase- NWATNA can't screw the fans over too much.

 

and i think with the fans behind raven, they could do a double turn with a heel vs tweener feud. it could work. raven cuts promos on jarrett, turning face, then beats up some chick, turning heel again. tweener. OR he could be the anti face like austin was.

 

I just have no motivation to see the match again. I saw it once and I don't think Raven v. Jarrett II would be all that different or that much better.

 

I'm thinking of people who don't order all the time. They want to see the blowoff...because that's what's exciting. What should be done is Raven winning the title and then immediatly getting taken out by someone interesting (I'm thinking of Styles here) that way the people who ordered this show will also want to see the blowoff to that one.

 

EXACTLY.

[Guest RedJed]

So I'm guessing in hindsight did the WWE blow it when HHH beat Rock in that 4 way at Mania 16 instead of the predictable expected finish of Rock going over and getting the belt? Not if you ask me since the Backlash ppv the next month sure as shit got a tremendous reaction from a business and entertaining perspective.

 

I personally think if it turns a fan off that much that someone just didn't win one match that it will turn them that off from the product long term, thats lame. You cant expect them to blowoff this tremendous program in ONE MATCH.

The buyrate for Backlash was mostly because of Steve Austin IMO.

 

The feud has been building since January so I do expect a blowoff in one match. As someone who can't watch TNA every week it bothers me that Raven v. JJ wasn't blown off. The match had been hyped and hyped and I think a lot of fans will be pissed that they didnt get a blowoff.

Look at how forgotten the Jarrett-Styles match and feud has been though since that was blown off so fast.

 

About that Backlash show too, if the fans just got the show JUST to see Austin, then I'm shocked at how they went even more bonzo-gonzo when Austin left, and then Rock actually won the title. My feelings was that they milked the title victory for Rock because they knew it would be worth it, and it deserved the proper buildup. Of course Austin was a part of that shows success, but you cant just say nobody cared about HHH-Rock at that point.

 

Blowing off a program that has been the most anticipated and talked about feud in TNA history in ONE FUCKING MATCH is insanity, bottom line. I dont care how long its been hyped, the fact of the matter is that they NEVER had a match before this. They obviously want to keep the feud around for awhile so giving Raven the belt at this point is not smart, as mentioned for various reason. Clearly they dont need to want Jarrett chasing the title again, for one thing. And you would have to allow that chase from Jarrett to happen if Raven was to get the belt tonight.....to keep the program going.

[Guest MrRant]

Raven will get the belt in the next couple weeks and Jarret will move to Wrestler A while Raven feuds with B and then it will all come full circle again ( See point about a special show or something ) that will be the end cap to this particular feud.

[Guest bob_barron]

About that Backlash show too, if the fans just got the show JUST to see Austin, then I'm shocked at how they went even more bonzo-gonzo when Austin left, and then Rock actually won the title. My feelings was that they milked the title victory for Rock because they knew it would be worth it, and it deserved the proper buildup. Of course Austin was a part of that shows success, but you cant just say nobody cared about HHH-Rock at that point.

 

Backlash got an insane 1.6 buyrate. While I'm sure it would've done well Austin or no Austin- I think Austin was the one who got the show to do the insane buyrate. A lot of people did care about HHH v. Rock but would that many have bought it if Austin wasn't going to show up? I doubt it.

 

 

Blowing off a program that has been the most anticipated and talked about feud in TNA history in ONE FUCKING MATCH is insanity, bottom line. I dont care how long its been hyped, the fact of the matter is that they NEVER had a match before this. They obviously want to keep the feud around for awhile so giving Raven the belt at this point is not smart, as mentioned for various reason. Clearly they dont need to want Jarrett chasing the title again, for one thing. And you would have to allow that chase from Jarrett to happen if Raven was to get the belt tonight.....to keep the program going.

 

Jarrett kicked out of two Raven's effects, survived massive interference and pretty much won cleanly. Why would I want to see them face off again when Jarrett defeated him pretty decisively? I would've shunted Jarrett down the card for a bit or have Raven beat his ass really badly so he could take some time off and stay a fresh character. I think, as bps said, that a lot of fans tuned in wanting to see the blowoff and Raven win and they may not come back for Round 2

[Guest Army Eye]

Suppose their plan IS to have a rematch eventually where Raven goes over. How does he win? Not only did Jarrett kick out of Raven's finisher twice, he did so once after an insane beatdown, multiple cane shots to the head and a DOUBLE SUPERKICK CONCHAIRTO??? While handcuffed, no less? Right after that he kicks out of a Evenflow DDT?

 

I don't see how Raven can win a rematch without it being wildly inconsistent with what happened tonight.

Edited May 1, 2003 by Army Eye

[Guest RedJed]

Suppose their plan IS to have a rematch eventually where Raven goes for. How does he win? Not only did Jarrett kick out of Raven's finisher twice, he did so once after an insane beatdown, multiple cane shots to the head and a DOUBLE SUPERKICK CONCHAIRTO??? While handcuffed, no less? Right after that he kicks out of a Evenflow DDT?

 

I don't see how Raven can win a rematch without it being wildly inconsistent with what happened tonight.

If the roles are changed a little bit, by the time of the rematch Raven may be more babyface and Jarrett more heelish.

 

All that needs to be said is that Raven would turn up the notches to fulfill his destiny. I dont think thats too inconsistent. Hell, Lesnar got his ass handed to him by Taker one month, and then the next got total revenge by moreless shitkicking him in the HIAC match. Same thing here possibly.

[Guest Burning Hammer]

The big problem with Raven losing tonight is that the promotion is only on PPV. You bought it expecting to be entertained and see a blowoff match for all this incredible hype you have heard of (since most of the people who didn't like the finish don't watch TNA on a regular basis). Instead of getting what you thought you were buying you get a Jeff Jarrett victory which isn't all that exciting.

 

If this show had been on basic cable nobody would be saying it was terrible because they didn't have to make a special purchase to see it. This is where their business model is going to run into problems. They need to keep the feud going becuase it is so hot but yet need to blow it off becuase it was hyped so hard. They are caught in a catch-22 because they did things right by getting people interested (good for business) but can't blow off the feud (bad for business) yet because its the best thing going stateside and their hottest program since inception.

 

This promotion needs a cable deal soon and then they can build feuds properly without pissing off their possible fanbase when they do the right thing for business.

[Guest Devin]

People will be pissed.  And on any other night I'd agree with you RedJed...but this was a bigger night.

 

I don't really care when Raven wins the title because I order every week anyway.  Sure I'm interested where it goes now...but I know I'll be watching.

 

I'm thinking of people who don't order all the time.  They want to see the blowoff...because that's what's exciting.  What should be done is Raven winning the title and then immediatly getting taken out by someone interesting (I'm thinking of Styles here) that way the people who ordered this show will also want to see the blowoff to that one.

So what you're saying is....

 

TNA built a feud up beautifully and those of us who watch the show each week appropriately hyped it up. As a result of the build up and hype it's recieved, a bunch of people that have never tuned into the show before, ordered to see the match. This, I'm sure we all agree on, but here's where our opinions differ...

 

You think that they should have based the outcome of the match, on what the people tuning in for the first time ever are wanting to see. That people ordered this show for the first time, or after only seeing a show or two before, should be the people they need to book the finish for. Not the fans who have been faithfully watching the show week in and week out, and the ones who hyped things up enough that the others are watching. Not the fans who kept the company afloat by spending ten bucks every week, and turned something that was predicted by most to fail, into a success.

 

That's what the WWE has been doing, and the reason their ratings are continuing to drop. Instead of basing their show on what wrestling fans want to see, they try and attract the people who aren't wrestling fans. Which is in turn, making the actual wrestling fans give up on the product all together, and stop watching. It's just not smart business to do things that way, and I've always thought that one of the appeals of TNA, was that they didn't do that. That they actually listen to their fans, and try to create a product for them, instead of a product for people who aren't watching the show.

 

If someone watched for the first time and decided they won't watch it again over this, then they aren't who they should be catering the show to. If they aren't going to watch just because Raven didn't become champion despite the fact that the rest of the show was great, then those obviously aren't the type of people who are going to pay to watch each week anyways. It would be like McDonalds deciding to put all of their focus on people who only buy the McRib when it's available for a limited time, instead of the people who love McDonalds and buy their food all the time.

 

Anyways, I've rambled on enough, and I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make. TNA did the right thing not hotshotting when they had the chance, like so many other companies have done in the past, and failed. I post on another board where there's only two other people who watch TNA. We talked a whole bunch of people into ordering this week on the strength of the show. And so far, the show has got nothing but positive feedback. Pretty much everyone's talking about how they can't believe they hadn't ordered the show before. That they're just going to stop ordering WWE PPV's, and start watching TNA every week. I'm sure that's the feeling the majority of first time viewers are having after watching this show. THOSE are the new people, along with the dedicated fans, they should be gearing the product towards. NOT the fickle fans who are pissy over Raven not getting the title now, and would have to spend a whole ten bucks more to see him win the title.

 

~Danny

[Guest Mole]

I'm not going through the whole thread, but I am guessing Jarrett won.

[King Cucaracha 0]

if dreamer would have won his feud with raven the first time they fought, then that would be it. when people think ecw, they think raven vs dreamer.

 

I don't care for ECW too much so that means nothing too me. NWATNA is a weekly PPV that people pay $10 to see- not a localised fed in Philly like ECW was for the first little while. ECW could afford to do that with its fanbase- NWATNA can't screw the fans over too much.

 

and i think with the fans behind raven, they could do a double turn with a heel vs tweener feud. it could work. raven cuts promos on jarrett, turning face, then beats up some chick, turning heel again. tweener. OR he could be the anti face like austin was.

 

I just have no motivation to see the match again. I saw it once and I don't think Raven v. Jarrett II would be all that different or that much better.

For those unfamiliar, Dreamer-Raven was Tommy Dreamer's major feud I think after(?) Brian Lee. Anyway, the gimmick was that EVERY time Raven and Dreamer wrestled, Raven defeated Dreamer. Gradually the matches got that bit more even, more hotly contested. The fans were behind Dreamer the whole way, but whenever he looked like winning Raven would take it. Eventually, Raven did lose to Dreamer. The way they built it up not only made it such an effective feud, but made Dreamer's eventual win more special.

 

As for this...Jarrett-Raven 2 is gonna need a stipulation on it if it does happen. Like Bob said, without it it wouldn't be that match different probably. It'll need something like a Cage Match, so Raven can win CLEANLY. Raven can do a stip match better than a normal match in most situations. And Raven has to win the next one, probably a rematch on the next Australian shown show. Because Raven can't play the Dreamer character.

[Guest The Decadent Slacker]

Bitch bitch bitch. I mean, sure, it would have been nice if Raven went over. The feud could have kept going that way. Then, in a few weeks/months/whatever, they have a big cage/ladder/insert stip blowoff on an austrailia show. Hype it to the extent that the hype for this looks like a Crash Holly/A-Train ,match by comparison. Maybe build up a Styles/D-Lo or Styles/Killings or something for the #1 contender spot for the undercard to keep them busy. Do i think Raven should have won? Yes, but i'm not going to bitch about it ruining the whole TNA experience or whatever. It's your decision, but bitching doesn't make it any better (see Keith, Scott). Just, like, adopt adapt & improve...or some shit. If you can't stand them anymore, then just don't watch & buy DVDs/vids of anything else that has sweaty men rolling around on a mat with people watching (see: Keith, Scott). Or just get some wrestling stuff.

[Guest Devin]

For those unfamiliar, Dreamer-Raven was Tommy Dreamer's major feud I think after(?) Brian Lee.

Before and after the feud with Brian Lee.