Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted May 1, 2003 That's not burial. This would be burial: after a horribly booked reign where your main finisher was the belt shot, and you were fetching lotion and cleaning up dog crap while your opponent's ex-wife (in the storyline) has most of the attention on her, you get to job at Wrestlemania, then two months later job again to the same opponent in a hell in a cell match, are KOed by an open-hand slap on the face from a rookie then job to him in two lousy matches (one on PPV) all the while your submission finisher is constantly escaped from and made to look completely non-threatening...well, I could go on, but you get the picture. Nah, that's not a burial. A burial is when you dig a ditch, throw somebody in said ditch, and then cover him and the hole with dirt. Saying a few words about the departed is optional. That's a burial. All else is just fucking wit a guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I don't know how in the hell nobody mentioned Benoit/Eddy from Armageddon 2002. The Wild Bomb was memorable, but the match was a huge disappointment. By all rights it should have been at least ****. That was just a Sub-Par match...They ALWAYS click...They have had like 20 ***-***** matches... I don't remember them facing each other lately in singles matches, so I just cited that one. Jesus They foght a TON as early as 1991 and as recently as that show itself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I don't know how in the hell nobody mentioned Benoit/Eddy from Armageddon 2002. The Wild Bomb was memorable, but the match was a huge disappointment. By all rights it should have been at least ****. That was just a Sub-Par match...They ALWAYS click...They have had like 20 ***-***** matches... I don't remember them facing each other lately in singles matches, so I just cited that one. Jesus They foght a TON as early as 1991 and as recently as that show itself... I didn't watch much WCW and I have a bad memory when it comes to TV matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Actully, They only fought on TV in WCW MAYBE twice and nothing special...Most of the goodies were in Japan or International...Under the Guise of Wild Pegsus Vs Black Tiger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I think you're mistaken on Benoit and Eddy not having any special matches in WCW.Benoit and Eddy fought each other at least 15 times on WCW tv in single matches. All were at least good.This doesn't even count tags! Oct 16 95 Their very first meeting on Nitro was awesome as it was very New Japanish in its structure. It's noteworthy for having the most powerful powerbomb ever in the history of wrestling. Nov 7 Nitro Benoit vs Eddie: More great stuff with the man himself JUshin Liger looking on Nov 25 95: They had a WCW best bout of the 90's candidate from from WCWSN.Awesome match with one of the best endings I've ever seen. Jan 20 96 WCWSN Short match, but fun Jan 21? 96 Very good to great match shown on the prime and Worldwide. Pillman interferes. Mar 2 96 WCWSN Another thumbs up match Mar 9 96 WCWSN Ditto April 29 96 Nitro:Very good match June 23? WW Good match but they really Americanised it wich hurt the match in my eyes July 15 96 Nitro Great stuff with Benoit pulling off a very agile counter to the tilt a whirl backbreaker July 28? 96 WW Another good match but as with the previous WW match they americanised it too much which seemed to hurt it. Oct 28 96 Nitro Benoit vs Eddie which was "ruint" because both were overexaggerating injuries from the night before Nov 18 96: Great match which was actually the main event match of the evening. Dec 23 96 : another noteworthy match in the WCW United States title tourmament which was great and noteworthy for an absolutely rabid crowd. Oct 20 97: This was a WCW cruiserweight title match and was showcased by a super hyped crowd and as good as it gets action. There was also one more match in 98 from Thunder after the Benoit Booker T series. However, it was too short to amount to anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Brian Kendrick and Insert WCW Cruiserweight Here. It doesn't matter if it's Noble, Shannon Moore, whoever. Kendrick's best highlight so far has been jobbing to Matt Hardy and Kurt Angle. Kendrick had a match w/ Knoble a few weeks ago on SD that I thought was decent, given the amt. of time the match got (a few minutes). Helms' problem is that, as mentioned before, he's playing a super-heavy trapped in a cruiser body. Plus, there really isn't anyone on Raw he matches up well with. He had a couple good matches w/ Stevie on Heat. But outside of guys like Jericho or Christian, everybody on Raw is much bigger than Helms. As for combinations that sucked, Eddy & Booker had a couple matches on Raw that absolutely blew. Neither guy looked in sync w/ the other. I'm sure they must have crossed paths in WCW, so they should at least know each other somewhat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I thought Benoit v. Eddy from Armageddon was pretty awesome. In 2001 they also had an awesome singles match on RAW. Austin has made Jericho look weak in every match I've seen them in. The match a week before Vengeance was an extended squash as was their horrifically boring cage match. They had a pretty good match on Smackdown! in 2001 but that's about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Benoit vs RVD from SummerSlam 2002 should have and could have been a fuck of a lot better then it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted May 1, 2003 That match just pisses me off, Rob's nonexistent selling was always going to be a problem, but they booked it in a way that he HAD to no sell, because he was going over with an aerial finisher. (IIRC) If he HAD to go over (and he fucking didn't) use a rollup from the crossface or something, don't make everyone look stupid by just shrugging off the whole match and hitting a frog splash, then getting the pin straight away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Did Flair/Hart ever have a classic together? dear god yes. at a house show in boston, while bret was champion, they had a 60-minute iron man match, which is my 3rd-favorite match ever & i think the best performance of bret's career (narrowly beating out summerslam 92 and his series with owen). i did a review of it a while ago in the smarks crew folder, i think it's on page 5 or 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Gee, is some one biased against Steve Austin here? I think it's fitting to bring up how Sakura notes that anytime Jericho or another smark favorite loses a match it's called "burial." He lost a match the WEEK BEFORE HIS BIGGEST WIN EVER ON THE PAY PER VIEW! Gee, he must be being buried, right? It took ONLY 7 minutes to beat him, you say? Holy crap, what a horrible jobber squash that was; blink and you'll miss the match. Funny, I don't remember this match at all. However, by your description it must have been 7 minutes of Austin mostly no-selling Jericho's offense or not letting him get in any offense while Austin slaughtered him. Right? Well, considering that at this so-called "biggest win of his career", Jericho needed thousands of run-ins to beat Austin after being beaten around like a little bitch for most of the match, and only winning after a booker T beltshot to Austin...Why yes, I would consider it a burial. Jericho was never portrayed as being anywhere near close to beating Austin one on one. And I didn't even mention the debacle that was their NWO 2002 feud/match, because it was just more of the same. Between Austin destroying his credibility and the fact that Jericho's full heel character just wasn't that good at that time, Jericho was already buried by the time Triple H got round to him. Triple H just prevented him from rebuilding his credibility in any meaningful way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I disagree with the RVD/Eddie matches, I liked the ladder match a lot, the 2 PPVs they fought on were both very good matches (somewhat underrated), and a house show match I saw was cool too. In terms of that Benoit/RVD match the SS one was peculiar....the Raw match before it was pretty bad ass though. I'd say Booker and Rock never really did much for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Angle/Jericho never really did much for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 1, 2003 I remember Angle and Jericho had an awesome 7 minute match on RAW in 2001. Edge and Christian's singles match was pretty dissapointing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted May 1, 2003 Rock vs. Booker at SummerSlam was very good considering they came on right after the CLASSIC Austin/Angle match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eiker_ir Report post Posted May 1, 2003 how is the Angle/Jericho match at Rebellion 2001? i've never seen it i've just seen their match at NWO 2000 wich was a pretty good match, but Angle still was learning at that point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurriShane 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2003 HBK vs Perfect at Summerslam 93 wasn't the mind blowingly good match that had been promised. On a more recent note, Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy was pretty bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted May 2, 2003 The Eddie Guerrero/Nunzio and Benoit/Nunzio matches on Smackdown were also disappointing. In the Eddie/Nunzio match, Eddie did most of the wrestling while Nunzio just did a bunch of stomping and choking. In the Benoit/Nunzio match, Benoit chopped too much and Nunzio didn't do a whole lot either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted May 2, 2003 how is the Angle/Jericho match at Rebellion 2001? i've never seen it i've just seen their match at NWO 2000 wich was a pretty good match, but Angle still was learning at that point I'll get back to you on that one...about to watch it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 2, 2003 how is the Angle/Jericho match at Rebellion 2001? i've never seen it i've just seen their match at NWO 2000 wich was a pretty good match, but Angle still was learning at that point Very good match- a bit too slow at points but overall it's really good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2003 I gotta say RVD vs. Benoit was a big dissapointment. And also Edge vs. Booker T at WMX8....That is all for now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted May 2, 2003 how is the Angle/Jericho match at Rebellion 2001? i've never seen it i've just seen their match at NWO 2000 wich was a pretty good match, but Angle still was learning at that point I'll get back to you on that one...about to watch it now. 15 minutes long. Gets a little slow at the 10 minute mark. Mostly pretty fast paced, as they meshed very well at the start of the match, using a few Olympic-style takedowns on each other, and keeping the action fast and frantic. After Angle got thrown into the stairs, Jericho posted the left shoulder and then started to attack it. Angle even sold it well by not using it to throw chops. However, when Angle less than a minute after having his shoulder worked on CLOTHESLINED Jericho with the left arm and then SUPLEXED Jericho with no ill effects and completely forgot the rest of the match, it lost a bit there. The rest was very good, and Jericho's use of the anklelock and some follow up attacks to the area looked excellent, and Angle sold the ankle when he blocked the Lionsault. Jericho countered an Angle Slam attempt by rolling up Angle and grabbing the left leg and rolling him up. Looks like the leg psychology factored well into the ending, and Angle sells it after the finish. So I'd give it a solid ***1/4 and would love to see what they could do these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites