Guest j.o.b. squad Report post Posted May 7, 2003 why dident the gurreros pawn the gold medals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted May 7, 2003 why dident the gurreros pawn the gold medals? Because they lie cheat and steal..they don't pawn.. Also, at least Eduardo didn't put the medals down his pants ala Benoit and tell Charlie to come get em.... err.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest edotherocket Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Why is it that every moth Benoit and Jericho have to put over the next PPV title challengers. Fuck you WWE. Benoit and Jericho always do the job for the new title challenger because if someone beats them, its considered an achievement in the eyes of the fans. Benoit and Jericho also excel at making their opponents look good. No one would take any challenger more seriously if he beat anyone below their level (say Albert on Smackdown or Hurricane on RAW) and people above Jericho and Benoit don't job cleanly so it doesn't help make the new title challenger look any better (see: Cena vs. Taker). That probably doesn't make you feel any better but thats the gist of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 7, 2003 ...And look how successful they were. I said "realistically" and "believably" for a reason. Sure, they could and probably will put Benoit up for a lil fling with Brock for a throw-away match on PPV, but it won't mean a fuckin thing to the fans because Brock already beat two men who already beat Benoit. The feud will bomb, it will be looked at as Benoits fault and seen as a failed experiment to elevate a 'worker', and they'll throw Taker or Big Show or Albert or Nathan Jones or Bill Demott up to challenge Brock. Why? Because they're big and inherently a threat to whomever is smaller. Meanwhile Benoit goes back down the card to feud with John Cena or Josh Mathews or whothefuckever the WWE wants to 'establish' and job to Brock next. And of course, as always, Benoit will die for whomever he faces inching himself one step closer to that wheelchair sitting in his den looking out at the pond behind his house. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest edotherocket Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I dunno. I think they've fucked things up beyond repair because of the trading wins system. Virtually everyone has held some sort of belt and virtually everyone has beaten someone else at some stage so other than Brock and The Undertaker, I think everyone else has gone over Benoit and Jericho just like Benoit and Jericho have gone over everyone else. So they might as well use Benoit and Jericho who will make others look good in the process. At any rate, believability and realism aren't really an option anymore. Make the best of a shit situation by using your best workers to make new title challengers look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I'd just like to say I was there at the Smackdown tapings. Benoit didn't lose to Show completely clean. Pretty clean but not completely. Benoit had him in the crossface towards the end of the bout but then saw A-Train coming in with the stretcher, let go off the crossface and decided to dropkick A-Train. The distraction didn't completely cost him the bout though since there was a few moves afterwards which culminated in Benoit losing. Some notes from the show: Almost everyone was over as a face. 2)Jamie Knoble used a new submission manuever as a finisher on Velocity.(THis could be a dark bout) He mentioned Eddy and Benoit as being tough guys while addressing the crowd 3)Hogan was super over. I was one of the only people not standing in the arena 4)I hollored a few times "Vince is on the juice".I don't know if he heard me though 5)The Halifax? boys were super over 6) Eddy vs Matt was pretty good. 7)The crowd was into all the matches 8)Benoit was over big time. Myself and my friends were starting and helping out "Benoit" and "Let's go Benoit chants" 9)Lesnar was over huge when he darted out of the dressing room to save Benoit and waved the Canadian flag afterwards. 10)We saw a bunch of wresters enter a bus after the show was over. Mat Hardy was really nice to the fans. Sable played with the crowd as well. Benoit and Eddie were the last wrestlers to enter the bus I think which was absolutely packed. One woman managed to get on the bus and get an autograph from the Big Show who by the way got a big pop from the audience. 11) Bret Hart is still over. When his picture showed on the Kid Rock video he was the most over of all superstars shown. 12)Rey Mysterio was there and did not have his mask on 13)There was always a large pop for whenever they showed a picture of the main event tag. The match was originally going to be A-Train/Big Show vs Lesnar/Benoit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 7, 2003 What part of Halifax do you live in WildPeg?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Actually, I live in Antigonish so a few of us decided to go up and watch the event. I also managed to get an autograph from Benoit last Thursday so it's been a good week. One other thing I'd like to mention is that all the WWE divas are much hotter in person. For example, among any 100 girls they'll always be in the top 5% attractiveness bracket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 7, 2003 My Uncle is from Antigonish. -------------- I think everyone else has gone over Benoit and Jericho just like Benoit and Jericho have gone over everyone else. So they might as well use Benoit and Jericho who will make others look good in the process. That's not exactly true though. There are a few wins that could mean something for any wrestlers in the company that are below the glass ceiling (99% of the wrestlers, that is). It's just a matter of effort. At any rate, believability and realism aren't really an option anymore. ACK! Don't say that! It hurts the ears! That's the kind of thinking the WWE has, "Who cares if it doesn't make sense? The fans will accept it - they always do" Make the best of a shit situation by using your best workers to make new title challengers look good. But it has gotten to the point to where a win over Benoit or Jericho means *nothing*. Their stock as contenders has plummeted just because of that philosophy. Why should they be punished for being top workers? It certainly is no incentive for guys to work hard - ESPECIALLY when shits like the Big Show get pushed when he doesn't put in a 1000th of the effort a Benoit or a Jericho does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eirejmcmahon Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I honestly don't know why Benoit bothers any more, maybe it's professional pride but he goes out there week after week after week and busts his arse and, in return, gets shit on by management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest edotherocket Report post Posted May 7, 2003 You make totally valid points. But there are still a couple of issues I would contest. I don't really see the point in shooting for realism and believability unless its something that is spread across the board. The nature of WWE right now is pretty silly and one dimensional. All the Smackdown women's angles are of a pseudo-lesbian nature, Kane is now a walking contradiction and the gag with Mr America is very cartoony. I'm not saying any of the above are good or bad but the nature of WWE right now is such that realism is almost totally out the window. Having Benoit go over Show would only be very small step towards the 'realism' you're after but don't you think that unless issues with the nature of characters, consistency in storylines and an end to sensationalist angles aimed to spike ratings are dealt with, it is something that would be largely unnoticed. I personally think Benoit should go over Show but that's more because Show is a shitty wrestler, not because it would make it seem unrealistic if/when Benoit feuds with Lesnar. There are a few wins that could mean something for any wrestlers in the company that are below the glass ceiling (99% of the wrestlers, that is). Can you think of an example? I'm not saying there aren't any but I think the value of a huge proportion of the wrestlers under the glass ceiling (especially on RAW) have been sufficiently neutered by bad booking or a thrashing at the hands of Triple H to the point that it would be almost impossible to make someone look like a star using only wrestlers under the glass ceiling (the only ones willing to job cleanly). So unless the top stars in WWE start playing ball and help build up new stars, you may as well use Benoit and Jericho to make new contenders look decent. If this sounds very defeatist on my part, its because thats how I feel. I honestly can't see where things are going to change for the better in this company. There is no WCW to retire the elderly, no real competition to motivate Vince and the ratings seem to have settled around 3-4 and he seems happy to accept this. Triple H isn't going anywhere, The Undertaker will probably be around for many more years, the company seems intent on making everyone wrestle to the slowest and most untalented common denominator forcing better talent to tone down their style so as not to upstage or upset those with political clout robbing us not only of the opportunity to see decent talent getting the title but even being able to put on good matches. It's not that I don't care, I honestly can't see how things can possibly change for the better in the near or distant future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I honestly don't know why Benoit bothers any more, maybe it's professional pride but he goes out there week after week after week and busts his arse and, in return, gets shit on by management. I could name several workers (6, by my count) that are on the Smackdown roster, who are in an even WORSE position, while possessing the qualities to hold a major single's title. The fact that he's IN THE MAIN EVENT, already says something about what the writers and agents think of him. By everyone's logic, if you've already inserted The Big Show and A-Train into the main event, why not substitute Benoit with someone like the Undertaker or Mr. America? I say the writers are slowly building to one of two things: --the imminent return of Kurt Angle, and a rematch between Lesnar and Angle. --after a series of tag matches, Benoit gets a program with Brock at Summerslam. A-Train has already been classified as the JTTS for the feud, TBS as the challenger of the month, while Benoit has yet to have a defined role since Royal Rumble. Where do YOU think Brock heads with the title after Judgment Day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest edotherocket Report post Posted May 7, 2003 The promise of Benoit getting his next title shot and winning is what keeps me watching this year. Of course last year, it was the promise of Rob Van Dam getting the title that kept me watching and that went pretty badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Memphis Report post Posted May 7, 2003 The promise of Benoit getting his next title shot and winning is what keeps me watching this year. BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH...not happening. M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I said "realistically" and "believably" for a reason. Sure, they could and probably will put Benoit up for a lil fling with Brock for a throw-away match on PPV, but it won't mean a fuckin thing to the fans because Brock already beat two men who already beat Benoit.. That's crap. Just because he's lost to the fucking Big Show and John Cena, you're writing off the program with the fans? You think the fans actually keep win-loss records of each wrestler on file? Have you forgotten the amount of clean jobs to mid-card wrestlers the likes of Kurt Angle, Booker T and Chris Jericho have done in the last year, yet they're still looked at as the next World Champions (or at least threats to it)? So what? Suddenly Benoit shouldn't job to these men? ...maybe he should pull a Clique Power Play© and establish that the entire heel roster come out for the run-in and cost him his match? You've might forgotten that the Big Show, in the summer and fall of last year, was jobbing to EVERYONE under the sun on the RAW roster. A month later, and he's the freakin' WWE champion. The feud will bomb, it will be looked at as Benoits fault and seen as a failed experiment to elevate a 'worker', and they'll throw Taker or Big Show or Albert or Nathan Jones or Bill Demott up to challenge Brock. Why? Because they're big and inherently a threat to whomever is smaller Suddenly, you've forgotten that the WWE has already panicked on one failed Lesnar title push and quickly pulled the rug out from under him, even when under a ready-made feud between him and the Undertaker; what makes you think any combination of Lesnar and DeMott, Albert or Jones will create interest? In my opinion, I have no problem with the SD! title match at Judgment Day. Considering the last title encounter with Big Show and Brock, there's a cloud of mystery about whether Lesnar can soundly beat TBS with the title on the line. Factor in Angle's imminent return and you have all the makings of a interesting match, if nothing more. EDIT: Again, I'm not defending the WWE's booking decisions. But PLEASE, do not write off a prospective program in Lesnar/Benoit, because of the current basis of the title situation, OR because of who Benoit jobbed to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest caboose Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Smackdown seems to beoming the same show everyweek. With slight wariations on the same stuff over and over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted May 7, 2003 And what's up w/ Hardy? Feud w/ Rey leading into WM, Matt wins, they haven't interacted since then. Peripheral feud w/ Kendrick, but nothing has come from that. The last couple weeks he's been mixing it up w/ the Guererros. Shouldn't he be feuding w/ a cruiser, or something? Wait, that actually makes sense, meaning it has no business on tv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Plushy Al Logan Report post Posted May 7, 2003 There's stretchers strong enough to hold Show's fat? There called forklifts, just look at the late, great Yokozuna. Is there any way we can get him back and Natural Disasters Version 2.0 with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I can't see how that can realistically happen now. Benoit has lost to both Cena and Big Show now - and Brock has (and will) defeated them soundly. How can Benoit believibly enter the title picture now as he is already out by default. Odds are Brock vs. Kurt Angle or Brock vs. Taker for the Summer. Benoit just gets to put Angle and Taker over before Brock beats em. He's the Jericho of Smackdown... Don't forget last week when he got pinned by Chuck Palumbo. Benoits worth and reputation decreases as the weeks go by. Any predictions for who he jobs to next week? My money is on A-Train. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Will benoit even be on the PPV? They better not do something stupid like put Cena/Spanky on the PPV. I'd rather see Cena/Hardy v. Benoit/Rhyno for 15 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boomer Sprinklespax Report post Posted May 7, 2003 And what's up w/ Hardy? Feud w/ Rey leading into WM, Matt wins, they haven't interacted since then. Peripheral feud w/ Kendrick, but nothing has come from that. The last couple weeks he's been mixing it up w/ the Guererros. Shouldn't he be feuding w/ a cruiser, or something? Ultimo...*crosses fingers* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boomer Sprinklespax Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Will benoit even be on the PPV? They better not do something stupid like put Cena/Spanky on the PPV. I'd rather see Cena/Hardy v. Benoit/Rhyno for 15 minutes. Cena/Spanky could be pretty good. Kendrick impresses me. And that segment last week was entertaining as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Just as an addition (I was at the show too): When they say that they "blocked" the door with the forklift, they really mean that they broke the door down with the forklift. The whole thing kinda went through the wall... Also, the real question is, if they wanted Benoit to job to the Big Show, why did they have to do it HERE? Is it too much to ask to have ONE Canadian go over in Canada, really? They went 0-4 on RAW, and o-1 on SD. I mean, Jesus CHRIST, is it that hard to realize that Canadian people want to see Canadian wrestlers win? The second that match ended, my and my buddy sat down and clammed up until Big Show's fat ass was gone. Then Benoit got a huge ovation just for leaving. Fucking fed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Booking to Canadian tastes leads to disaster, sorry to say. WWE is probably better off not tailoring their matches to the studio crowd and concern themselves with righting the larger picture before worrying about always giving guys hometown wins again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Sticking to storylines is fine, but they couldn't have booked Lance Storm to go over someone like Rico? The Book/Storm match was a total filler match that meant absolutely nothing. Or do Trish vs. Molly, w/ Jazz trying to interfere (or doing a beat-down afterwards). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Booking to Canadian tastes leads to disaster, sorry to say. WWE is probably better off not tailoring their matches to the studio crowd and concern themselves with righting the larger picture before worrying about always giving guys hometown wins again. They deliberately jobbed every Canadian just to piss the crowd off. Even if they had only let one or two Canadians (La Resistance don't count) go over they could have used the opportunity to try out some matches that would normally be heel/heel in the States and see how those guys worked together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Just as an addition (I was at the show too): When they say that they "blocked" the door with the forklift, they really mean that they broke the door down with the forklift. The whole thing kinda went through the wall... Also, the real question is, if they wanted Benoit to job to the Big Show, why did they have to do it HERE? Is it too much to ask to have ONE Canadian go over in Canada, really? They went 0-4 on RAW, and o-1 on SD. I mean, Jesus CHRIST, is it that hard to realize that Canadian people want to see Canadian wrestlers win? The second that match ended, my and my buddy sat down and clammed up until Big Show's fat ass was gone. Then Benoit got a huge ovation just for leaving. Fucking fed. That's punishment for chanting "Diesel Sucks" the night before on Raw and booing the Rock at Wrestlemania 18. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Reservoir_Kitty Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Guess I'll be playing Dynasty Warriors 4 again instead of resisting the urge to ball-peen hammer myself to death while watching Smackdown. *grumble* Could someone PLEASE explain the fucking point of the Torrie/Sable angle? This has been a longer running (waste of time) than feuds for some of the titles! The hell, Vince? WWE logic makes baby Jesus cry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted May 7, 2003 I have no problem with Brian Kendrick, but if it leads to him going over Cena at JD, then that will suck. This seriously is shaping up to be one of the worst pay per views of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 7, 2003 Eddy and Chavo's gimmick is really annoying. And Please Kurt, come back and save the main event from this. crap. Use whatever pull you might have with Vince and Shane and DEMAND and main event role. And if they ask you to midcard, run like hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
