Guest Redhawk Report post Posted May 11, 2003 The guy on Sportscenter this morning said during the lead-in to the Mavericks-Kings highlight that the Kings were playing "without a future Hall of Famer." He was talking, of course, about Chris Webber (the only other King I can think of with possible HOF credentials is Oscar Robertson). Was homeboy just overly kissing ass? Or is Webber really HOF material? What do you think? I'd say maybe Webber should get into the college basketball HOF (if they even have one. I'm not sure), along with the rest of the Fab Five. But as a pro, he hasn't done enough to deserve it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted May 11, 2003 God no, in ten years he has averaged just under 60 games a year. Only 5 of those years has he played over 70 games. His numbers are good 20-10 career average, but he has never accomplished anything and never been able to stay on the court. And he never really dominated the way he should have and that will look poorly on him as well, people will see him as not trying 100% or being soft and that will hurt his shot. And he won't get into the college HOF because he never officially played at Michigan now. The whole Fab Five was wiped from the record books so that is down the drain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Had a Great College career but that not only was tarnished but absolved. His Pro Career has been good but not HOF level... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crazy Dan Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Webber needs to win a ring or two... to be considered for the honor. Otherwise he will be an all star, but he hasn't done enough to warrant being called a Future HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Absolutely not. Webber's a good player but he has to stop being injured and win some titles to make it into the HOF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Actually it's just one HOF, for all of Basketball. Bill Walton college career is a big reason he made the HOF. Webber doesn't stand out on any level. That can change however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Webber should not make the HOF just because of his gambling problems also Webber is a poor man's Bernard King. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Webber is the most over-rated basketball player on the planet. He's one of the worst "stars" I've ever seen. He's never gonna win a title. I've been saying that since day once and he hasn't done anything change my opinion. You ask me, having Webber on a team lowers that teams chances of winning a title, doesn't improve them. If he makes it to the hell of fame, the hall of fame should be burned down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Webber should not make the HOF just because of his gambling problems also Webber is a poor man's Bernard King. What gambling problems? Even if Webber does have a gambling problem, if that's reason to keep someone out of the HOF, than Michael Jordan shouldn't go either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurriShane 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2003 Webber's not even close to being a HOFer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Nay. He puts up great regular-season stats but he's hurt a lot and disappears in the postseason. Walton missed a lot of games too but he has a couple titles. If Webber actually manages to win a title he might be a HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Poor bastard can't stay in uniform enough sadly. If he is 100% healthy then he is an elite PF and could maybe be considered HOF material. As is, a crippled broken down 30 year old, he's still 20 and 10 every night, but it's not a pretty 20 and 10. That jump shot is just ugly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Slim Citrus Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Not without a ring, and maybe not even then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted May 12, 2003 I would like to see him go into the HOF, I read this months SLAM article on him and it pretty much sums it up, in the article it said the league might acknowledge him a "star player" but the league doesn't embrace him thou, due to his past. Let's not forget he's only 30, he could play at a high level for 6-8 more years, and winning a ring would help his chances as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Webber needs to win a ring or two... to be considered for the honor. Otherwise he will be an all star, but he hasn't done enough to warrant being called a Future HOF. I hate the ring argument in basketball. Charles Barkley never won a championship, nor did Karl Malone. Dozens of great players never won championships. It doesn't mean anything. As for Webber, a glance at nba.com reveals that his 22.1 ppg is 21st all time. He's played 596 games to this point. If he plays 1,200 games at this level, he'll retire with 26,000+ points, putting him in with the top ten all time scorers. I wouldn't put him in the Hall just yet, but he has a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 12, 2003 First of all, 20 10 isn't a normal occurance in the NBA, and he is on pace to do it for his career... Second of all, his Scoring, Rebounding and Assist always go UP in the playoffs so that disappering in the playoffs thing only comes from those "watch the ball" fans that can't appreciate everything else he is doing on the court. Third...are you REALLY suggesting that C-Webb didn't make the kings better. Last I checked they were in a LONG playoff drought that ended his FIRST year there. Of course it could have been Jason Williams carrying the team. Webber is the one of the most over critisized guys in league with Kevin Garnett. Is he HOF material...yeah...is he a lock...no. I think he will be though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted May 12, 2003 He hasn't done anything yet to be considered in the Hall of Fame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 12, 2003 20 and 10 for 10 years is something rare and amazing. Really, how many people do you guys think have done this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted May 12, 2003 The real question should be .... is Dennis Rodman a Hall of Famer? Seriously. It has been bugging me ever since I created him in NBA Live 2003. As for Webber, the jury is still out on him. If he were to retire tomorrow then there is no way he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. If he leads as consistent career for the next few years but it is simply too ealry to tell. Sidenote- Oscar Robertson wasn't technically a King. He was actually a member of the Cincinnatti(sic) Royals (which eventually became the kings) and finished with the Milwaukee Bucks. Right now the only King that deserves serious Hall consideration would be Mitch Richmond and even that is debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I would put Rodman in the Hall of Fame due to personal bias on my part. Webber has the talent and the stats to make it, but untill he does something that, you know, actually matters, he has no chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bannable Offense Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I don't see Hall of Fame material in Chris Webber. As for Dennis Rodman, he was a rebounding leader for 7 straight seasons, was Defensive Player of the Year two years in a row, named to the All-Defensive First Team 7 times, and ranks fairly near some of the greats in his career rebounding stats and probably would have been among them if his heart was still in the game. His off and on-court antics may hurt his overall chances, but Rodman has far more credentials to be inducted into the Hall of Fame anytime before Webber, who only has his Rookie of the Year award and All-Star appearances to compliment his "good but not great" stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Dennis Rodman was THE greatest rebounder of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted May 13, 2003 The Worm was the greatest rebounder ever. you have to remember at 6'8 and what seemed like 200 pounds at best he was at one point getting 3 to 4 more rebounds a night than Ben Wallace does when he's on. Amazing defender, didn't stop Shaq or Malone but he got them so riled up and annoyed that they couldn't focus and his team won. That is a hall of famer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Yeah, but all he did was rebound. Some people say Mark McGwire shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame (at least not first-ballot) because all he did was hit home runs. And if you look at McGwire's stats without looking at the gaudy HR numbers, they are not that impressive. Rodman is the same, but even worse. His scoring, assists and shooting stats were poor because all he concentrated on was rebounding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Rodman isn't HOF because he was WAY one demonsial (sp?), he never put an effort on offense to be considered to be a HOFamer, and plus all of his antics won't get any votes. As for Webber I think he can be a HOFamer averaging 20pts and 10 rebs, Hell, isn't Bill Russell a career 17pts scorer and 15 reb player? and James Worthy was a career 17pt scorer. Webber has a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Webber still has 5 or 6 good years left in him. There's a good chance he'll reach 20,000 points 10,000 rebounds and 4,500 assists. Not sure if those are automatic qualifiers, but I think chances are good by the time he retires he'll merit serious consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Space_Cowboy Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Chris Webber has a decent shot if he can keep up his level of play for a few more seasons. A championship or two wouldn't hurt his chances either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I agree that Webber has to maintain his level of play throughout the rest of his career to even be considered. And yes, championship rings make the argument easier to make for entry in the Hall of Fame. Karl Malone and John Stockton are going in simultaneously, just like everything else they achieved together, because of their longevity and the records that they broke during their careers. Kevin Garnett has the best shot of entry if he plays for another ten years... if you took away Kobe and Shaq's rings, I would say he would have a better shot than either one of them, when their careers are done. In a perfect world, KG would go to Orlando to play the 3 next to T-Mac and Orlando would dominate the East. ::sighs:: but alas, the world is far from perfect.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Karl Malone and John Stockton are going in simultaneously, just like everything else they achieved together, because of their longevity and the records that they broke during their careers. No they won't. John Stockton will go in the first year he's nominated. Since Malone is going to play for a few more years most likely, Stockton will already be in the HOF before Malone is eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agent_Bond34 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2003 In a perfect world, KG would go to Orlando to play the 3 next to T-Mac and Orlando would dominate the East. Um, no. That would suck. As for the topic, Chris Webber is not HOF material, at least not yet that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
