Guest Redhawk Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 This isn't so much, "Who's really a decent wrestler that everyone thinks sucks." It's more who gets too much crap for stuff that isn't their fault, or gets criticized too much for things that aren't that big of a deal. The writers are one example. We see dumb stuff on WWE TV and blame the writers, but consider a few things: One, from what I read, the writers are merely putting words to Vince and Stephanie's general ideas. Two, I don't think WWE hires writers who know wrestling. I'm sure you saw that job posting that called for soap opear writing experience but didn't ask for wrestling knowledge. So you've got people writing who probably think wrestling is childish and cartoonish, not smarks like yourselves. Another example is Triple H. He isn't the Devil, people.
Guest DawnBTVS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Albert...has never gotten much to work with in terms of character development at all. Been pushed for no reason which has hurt him IMO. Decent worker who's trying to improve in the ring and just needs some character development besides being a "bully" on Smackdown.
Guest Galactic Gigolo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I don't mind Test, Vince Russo, Douglas, The Wall during his heel run in WCW, and I think Albert can serve a purpose (far from the main event, though). If this was a year or two ago, I would've had a big list. But now, ehhh, everyone sucks.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 OVW rookies, without a doubt. In order for them to be popular here, they must automatically have the skills of a master technician. What's even funnier IMO is that I've even read a few saying things like "Orton has NO potential what so ever" as if stating that he'll aways be a talentless hack... and I'm sorry, but it's statements like that that give most smart marks a bad name and the label... cynical and ignorant
Guest RedJed Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Douglas and Test are good ones, they both are solid talents IMO, always have been actually. I havent understood the Lesnar hate on occasions either. HHH though is the closest thing to the anti-god of wrestling right now though, the hate for him is justified on many levels.
Guest Fook_Hing_Ho Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I've never understood the Edge bashing that goes on around here. Aside from that spear with the bad shoulder, he had an amazing run last year.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 A-Train or Bill DeMott. No, they aren't the best at putting matches together (A-Train's I blame on his training) but they have some nice power moves, and most importantly they try hard. Effort is something that really appeals to me as a wrestling fan. No, they shouldn't be main-eventing, but there is no reason that they can't become quality midcarders. They aren't Kevin Nash. EDIT: Lesnar & Edge are liked for the most part. Most of the hate against them is from the same two or three people that just happen to be very loud.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I dislike HHH, not because he is a backstage politician, but because he bores me. I can't in good consience form a hate for him because of his supposed backstage bullshit... because I would be a hypocrit. I never judged Flair and I never judged Austin, because both of them (especially Flair) manipulated the system to work in their favor. I've come to realize that it's just a fact of the business and it's never going to change. Every major star from Lou Thesz to Ric Flair to Dusty Rhodes to Hulk Hogan to Steve Austin to Shawn Michaels to HHH to eventually and I can almost guarantee it, Brock Lesnar... will play politics. The only difference, I guess if you want to look into it, is that Flair always made everyone he was in the ring with look like superman, and would come with in an inch of his life retaining the title... but then again, when Kurt Angle would do this, it was a sign of making your champion look weak, with the only excuse given mostly by Anglesault was "yeah, but that's Ric F'ing Flair!" like that's an excuse at all... oh well. Sorry... I had to get my poor man's dennis miller rant out of the way
Guest Redhawk Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) Goldberg -- You knew I'd say it sometimes. I just don't get why everyone here hates him. Jamal and Rosey -- Actually, just any big guys in general, Look at them. They're SUPPOSED to be slow and methodical. If everyone wrestled like a freakin' luchdore than wrestling would get really boring after a while. I know it's a JR-ism, but the "clash of styles" is one thing that makes wrestling interesting. But about 3MW: They're still young and it's not like they've been given the tag belts yet. And they're not THAT bad. Edited May 14, 2003 by Redhawk
Guest AndrewTS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 "Another example is Triple H. He isn't the Devil, people." No, he's God. Just ask him. He deserves all of it and more though, so I don't feel he is unfairly getting it.
LaParkaYourCar Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Something about Edge has just always irked me and I never quite feel comfortable liking him. It's not that I hate him. I just can't bring myself to like him. I don't like Goldberg cause I feel he's overrated and his attitude towards the business, but strangely I haven't minded him that much in this WWE run. I hate HHH and I'm not afraid to admit it. You can say "he's not the devil" as a cute little saying all you want, but the guy isn't helping the WWE right now. I don't want him to die or anything. I don't even want him to be seriously injured. I just want him to drop the title already. His run is over and no one cares about it.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 How is the rookie bashing wrong? Did we bash WWE Rookies like Benoit or Jericho or Eddie for not being up to par in the ring? Oh yeah, that's because they actually knew how to wrestle and had experience! *slaps head* I forgot. "My bad". I don't really get some of the Edge hate, or the Albert hate (ok, I *do* get that), I don't like the Hogan hate but I don't think it's unfair.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I think Triple H is picking it back up in the ring. His utter control of most of the storylines bores me, but when he gets in the ring nowadays he seems quicker and is solid. Much better than a year ago. His punches are great, the high knee is back and he throws a hell of a spinebuster and pedigree. His transitions aren't so hot, but, like I said, he is getting better in every match.
LaParkaYourCar Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I don't think he'll ever be back to his 2000 form. Even then his storylines will probably still bore me and his long promos will make me wanna plug my ears with concrete.
Guest AndrewTS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 "Goldberg -- You knew I'd say it sometimes. I just don't get why everyone here hates him." In other words, you don't read the responses you get any time you mention that in a thread about him? I guess sometimes A-Train, Demott, and Nova. The first two are harmless when they are just squashing other hosses or are on a B show. The last one is the BUTT of a stale joke that many smarks think gets funnier and funnier every time they tell it.
Guest AndrewTS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Yeah, I guess Edge is a good example. I think it can also be in part to the fact that he has a lot of annoying Hardy-fan-like fans.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I got a much higher opinion of A-Train after watching him during his solid push. He busted out a lot of different moves during his Smackdown matchs (Benoit) and seemed to move relitively fast without getting blown. He may shit on that when given a few more 20+ minute matches, but he looks worthy in the ring for the time being.
LaParkaYourCar Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Who hates Nova on here??? I thought most of us like him? The whole Nova joke isn't bashing him it's just a running joke. As far as Edge. I think it's his wrestling style I don't like. His lanky size makes a lot of the moves he does look a little off. Especially that facebuster thing he does. So after awhile you wonder if he's going to fix it.
Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 "Goldberg -- You knew I'd say it sometimes. I just don't get why everyone here hates him." In other words, you don't read the responses you get any time you mention that in a thread about him? I guess sometimes A-Train, Demott, and Nova. The first two are harmless when they are just squashing other hosses or are on a B show. The last one is the BUTT of a stale joke that many smarks think gets funnier and funnier every time they tell it. Just like the HHH-uh, RVD weed, Steiner 'roids, and Goldberg injuring people ones!
Guest AndrewTS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 "Goldberg -- You knew I'd say it sometimes. I just don't get why everyone here hates him." In other words, you don't read the responses you get any time you mention that in a thread about him? I guess sometimes A-Train, Demott, and Nova. The first two are harmless when they are just squashing other hosses or are on a B show. The last one is the BUTT of a stale joke that many smarks think gets funnier and funnier every time they tell it. Just like the HHH-uh, RVD weed, Steiner 'roids, and Goldberg injuring people ones! No, at least those are referenced with different jokes.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 HHH: Nova-uh invented-uh jokes, you know-uh? *busts a quad laughing* *Goldberg walks by* HHH: OW!-uh Bill!-uh. Even-uh your walking-uh is stiff-uh. I'm tellin Vince-uh. *RVD comes in* RVD: Hey dudes, let's get high. *Steiner walks in* Steiner: YOU KNOW WHAT I GET HIGH ON! RRRRROOOOOIDDDSSSS! HHH: I hear that-uh. Nova: I invented that.
Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 HHH: Nova-uh invented-uh jokes, you know-uh? *busts a quad laughing* *Goldberg walks by* HHH: OW!-uh Bill!-uh. Even-uh your walking-uh is stiff-uh. I'm tellin Vince-uh. *RVD comes in* RVD: Hey dudes, let's get high. *Steiner walks in* Steiner: YOU KNOW WHAT I GET HIGH ON! RRRRROOOOOIDDDSSSS! HHH: I hear that-uh. Nova: I invented that. *chuckles* You missed one! Oh, wait. You -did- get the quad in. ..but no Nash hair joke, so that's a point off.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Dude, Nash hair jokes *never* get old.
HurriShane Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I don't think that Test is as bad as people make him out to be. Same thing goes for Bill Demott and Sean O'Haire
LaParkaYourCar Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Test gets crap more for his acting skills.....or lack there of...than his wrestling skills. I think the DeMott hate came from Tough Enough and how what he did in the ring and what he said to the kids didn't always match up.
ChrisMWaters Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 One reason I don't like Test... He yells BOOT when he's about to do his big boot. He's not in an anime...he doesn't need to say the name of his move before doing it.
Guest Memphis Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 HHH: Nova-uh invented-uh jokes, you know-uh? *busts a quad laughing* *Goldberg walks by* HHH: OW!-uh Bill!-uh. Even-uh your walking-uh is stiff-uh. I'm tellin Vince-uh. *RVD comes in* RVD: Hey dudes, let's get high. *Steiner walks in* Steiner: YOU KNOW WHAT I GET HIGH ON! RRRRROOOOOIDDDSSSS! HHH: I hear that-uh. Nova: I invented that. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
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