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Guest RavishingRickRudo

I was going into to be blown away by the fight scenes and underwhelmed by the story - I came out and I was underwhelmed by the fight scenes and overwhelmed by the story.

 

I can't see how anyone can say the story stucked - it was 'fuck your brain' fantastic. Here's my thoughts on what the ending means...

 

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They are still in the Matrix. Neo was able to control the sentinels and felt a disturbance. Zion isn't destroyed but the Matrix needs to keep Neo away for the destruction to occur - what better way than making him think Zion has been already destroyed and keeping him in The Matrix? My support comes from the sneak preview for Revolutions where we see people still alive in Zion fighting against the machines.

 

The Machines want Neo and some others to survive, they did it with the past 5 'Ones'. Only this time Neo didn't follow the same path as the others. When Neo said "this isn't right" right after they left the Ship and before the Machines came, that was something the Matrix/Architect didn't plan on. (if you need a reference to this concept, there is an episode in Star Trek The Next Generation where Moriarty tricks Picard, Data, and Barclay into thinking that they left the holodeck and were on the Enterprise when in reality they were on the Holodeck all along. ) *That* is the one thing that has changed Neos fate from the other "ones". This will lead Neo in Revolutions to discover that he is infact still in the matrix and that Zion can still be saved.

 

Now, why does the machines still want Zion to survive through Neo and a few others? Well, they need Humans - not just to survive, but for Purpose. It's like a cure without a disease. They need to keep the disease alive. The Oracle, the Keymaker, Agent Smith - all of them - were made to have Neo meet the Architect. The Oracle is a *bad guy*. The Oracle told Morpheus a fake prophecy so that he would dedicate his life to find the one - to find Neo. And all that was to lead up to Neo being involved in the destruction and rebirth of Zion. As long as there are people trying to free others from the matrix, the matrix, the agents, the ghosts, the oracle, the keymaker, all have reasons for existence.

 

I think part of this reasoning comes from the idea that perfection is death and imperfection is life. The Architect said that the other previous Matrix's didn't work and that they created a program to study Human behaviour - and they got the new (er) Matrix it 99% correct - well, that 1% is the reason the Matrix works. I don't think I'm explaining this very well, and I'm sure there are some holes in it, but it really makes you think. What is reality? What is fate? What is prophecy? The characters in the film have no idea because they are being manipulated by the matrix, and *we* have no idea because we are being manipulated by the movie. This makes our film watching experience the same as the experience as the characters in the film - we unravel the mystery together and there is a vicariousness in it that engulfs your imagination and thought. This is brilliant storytelling. This is making the content meet the format - "what is the matrix" has taken on a new dimention. It's about control, not just about the control the machines have over the characters but the control the movie has over YOU, the viewer. *That* is overwhelming.

 

My underwhelming of the fight scenes came from the fact that where Morpheus and Trinity can 'bend' the rules of the Matrix, Neo can 'break' the rules. But Neo, with very few exceptions, doesn't break the rules. He doesn't have to fight Agent Smith, he doesn't have to be bounded by doors and he shouldn't have to use keys. He shouldn't bleed. But he does and it's never explained why.

 

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I would have liked to have seen a 10-15 minute long scene of Neo in a program like the one Morpheus took him to w/ the Dojo and the woman in the red dress, and have him (neo) just try to see how far his powers can go. See him not only bend the spoon, but change it into a fork, or a knife - because there is no spoon, and since he can control the universe within the matrix he should be able to change it. In his fight scenes he should have just froze his opponent like he did the bullets, and rip out their hearts like he reactivated Trinitys. He shouldn't have to do kung fu - "You mean I can dodge bullets" "When the time comes, you won't have to" - the same properties should carry over. I'd like to see Neo throw fireballs, duplicate, grow bigger, etc. Sure "he's only human" but in the Matrix his own limitation is his imagination. And the human imagination should go fucking further than kicks and punches. And if it doesn't, then the film should have explained that Neo is thinking too 'in the box' - but he obviously doesn't because he restarted trinitys heart. ACK!

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Guest Kotzenjunge

My immesurable gratitude to everyone in this thread who explained the more difficult parts of the story to me. It's frustratingly difficult for me to wrap my head around, which I attribute to my inability to think mathematically and with computers and such. Kind of a depressingly Calvinistic film though, what with all the emphasis on there being no choices and all that constantly throughout it.

 

But any movie that has a motherfucking 1969 FIREBIRD~ in it is an automatic ***** movie.

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Guest Lethargic

Don't know if anybody has posted this yet or not.

 

Matrix has already made over 10 million dollars just from the Wednesday late night sneak previews alone. The record holder until now was Jurassic Park with 3 million.

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Guest El Psycho Diablo
My immesurable gratitude to everyone in this thread who explained the more difficult parts of the story to me. It's frustratingly difficult for me to wrap my head around, which I attribute to my inability to think mathematically and with computers and such. Kind of a depressingly Calvinistic film though, what with all the emphasis on there being no choices and all that constantly throughout it.

 

But any movie that has a motherfucking 1969 FIREBIRD~ in it is an automatic ***** movie.

It's a GTO.

 

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Guest Boomer Sprinklespax

This movie blew me the fuck away, and I think I can honestly say it is the single best action movie I have ever seen. I can't remember glowing so much after coming out of a movie theater.

 

The look was amazing, the action was amazing, the story was amazing, EVERYTHING was amazing.

 

I think its cerebral nature will hurt it in the long (and possibly short) run, and I think it will never be as liked as some other movie trilogies because of this (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings), but for me, I felt like I was finally seeing an unbelievable action movie that purposely DID NOT play to the lowest common denominator(s) in the movie audience. This movie was made for people to think about and ponder, not just watch. Most don't like to think, and that's too bad - I do, and Reloaded was absolutely wonderful.

 

By the way, I'm not really talking about anyone here on the board as far as not liking to think, just the general public as a whole. People don't go to movies like this to think, they go be entertained, and thinking isn't entertainment for most of the world. It is for me, and for this I am fortunate that this movie was made. There are other complaints to be lodged, some illustrated by Blue Bacchus and others, but to me those complaints are just nit-picking on near-perfection.

 

The thing that really got me was the story: I was going expecting to see amazing action, which I got, and a possibly shallow story. I was dumbfounded that the story actually was better than the fight scenes. I cannot believe this movie got made as it is, and that dialogue wasn't cut (The Architect's speech at the end comes to mind). Everyone involved in this production really has my respect because of this, as I really think Reloaded is a very courageous movie. All anyone probably expected was mindless, great action, and so much more was delivered.

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Guest Kotzenjunge
My immesurable gratitude to everyone in this thread who explained the more difficult parts of the story to me. It's frustratingly difficult for me to wrap my head around, which I attribute to my inability to think mathematically and with computers and such. Kind of a depressingly Calvinistic film though, what with all the emphasis on there being no choices and all that constantly throughout it.

 

But any movie that has a motherfucking 1969 FIREBIRD~ in it is an automatic ***** movie.

It's a GTO.

 

:)

No way, I would have known a GTO had I seen one, but it's exactly like a Firebird that's parked in my neighborhood that I drive past every day, same color, everything. My friend thought it was a GTO also, but the letters weren't there in the grill to see.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

I think the Wachowski Bros. are walking a very fine (thin) line in this film.

 

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Neo wakes up twice from different dreams - ok, twice is fine. Once makes you say "ok, he was just dreaming", twice makes you say "ok, he was dreaming again - I better keep my eyes open" 3 times makes you say "ok, let's stop". 4 times and your screwing your audience. You can't totally take your audience out of the film, they have to grab on to something so they feel a lil bit empowered. Neo can still manipulate the Matrix by flying or bending spoons even if the Matrix is ultimately manipulating him. Having the revelation of "everything that you learned in the first movie was a trick and a lie" and "everything the characters do has been done before by others and they can't stop it" completely takes the power away from the characters and the audience. It's a fine line because fans can see that powerlessness as being screwed. I don't want this all to be a dream.

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Guest the pinjockey

I can't believe it reportedly made 42.5 million yesterday alone. At this point I would not be surprised to see it cross the 200 Million mark by Sunday night.

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Guest razazteca
I think its cerebral nature will hurt it in the long (and possibly short) run, and I think it will never be as liked as some other movie trilogies because of this (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings), but for me, I felt like I was finally seeing an unbelievable action movie that purposely DID NOT play to the lowest common denominator(s) in the movie audience. This movie was made for people to think about and ponder, not just watch. Most don't like to think, and that's too bad - I do, and Reloaded was absolutely wonderful.

 

By the way, I'm not really talking about anyone here on the board as far as not liking to think, just the general public as a whole. People don't go to movies like this to think, they go be entertained, and thinking isn't entertainment for most of the world. It is for me, and for this I am fortunate that this movie was made. There are other complaints to be lodged, some illustrated by Blue Bacchus and others, but to me those complaints are just nit-picking on near-perfection.

 

The thing that really got me was the story: I was going expecting to see amazing action, which I got, and a possibly shallow story. I was dumbfounded that the story actually was better than the fight scenes. I cannot believe this movie got made as it is, and that dialogue wasn't cut (The Architect's speech at the end comes to mind). Everyone involved in this production really has my respect because of this, as I really think Reloaded is a very courageous movie. All anyone probably expected was mindless, great action, and so much more was delivered.

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it seems that the Brothers like to borrow from other films like 12 Monkeys and eXinTenCe with the dream sequences and Star Wars by trying to include religious & political undertones to the plot and of course adding the Hong Kong style action

 

Reloaded is one of those movies that makes you think but by trying too hard doing so, by combining diff genres into one. I enjoyed the fight scenes as that was all I was expecting, but what I got from watching this movie was a big headache. Some of it works and some of it needs to sink in for a day or so, inorder to understand the plot and sub plots and why is this person doing this and who is this new person.

 

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Neo seeing the future in his dreams at the begining of the movie, made me think WTF. But it is revealed later on that these dreams is the future and he has the choice to change it if he makes the right decision instead of going with the flow, the Oracle makes Neo realize this at the park. When Neo meets the Architect he is told that he cannot change fate because the decision has already been made for him everything is predestined, but of course Neo goes right instead of left and he has new powers in the real world???

my head is going to explode trying to analyze the movie.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

The Wachowski Bros. definitely want you to go back 2 or 3 or 4 times to the theatre just to get the facts straight. The scene with the Arch. shows this. He could have simply stated in plain-as-day wording what the Matrix was all about, but he didn't. He used big, fancy, words in a strange way - reminding me of the Ultimate Warrior - because it over-stimulates your brain so you won't be able to get it all in one sitting. The Wachowski Bros. want their story not to unfold in one sitting, or two sittings, but through dialogue and discussion and "do you think they mean... ? or do they mean...? They want the viewer to take an active role in their story, they don't want you to take things at face value, and isn't that what the matrix is all about? Finding the pieces to the puzzle, finding the connection, discovering new things, etc. it makes the movie-watching experience all the more exciting and ultimately rewarding.

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Guest LaParkaMarka

I agree with Rudo here...the flick is purposely ambiguous and complex. It's meant to draw people into discussion after the movie, and it works really well. I loved that movie to bits, and I'm a little mystefied as to why some people didn't like the story or the fight scenes. Maybe the hype was too much, who knows.

 

The only cheesy scene for me was

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Morpheus' speech before the Caveman Rave Orgy. That was a little over the top. The rest though, was great. Like the French guy. How cool was he?!?!

 

But yeah, a great action movie, with brains to boot. Excellent flick.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

The way I look at fight scenes in the Matrix is the same way I look at Benoit vs. Angle. On their own they are great to look at, but as part of a whole they are pointless in the fact that there is no evolution to it. Whereas Benoit vs. Angle was just an extention of their WM 17 match, The Matrixs' fight scenes were just an extention of Neo vs. Morpheus.

 

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All it was was "Neo does Kung Fu against 3 Agents" "Neo does Kung Fu against Oracles bodyguard" "Neo does Kung Fu against Mr. Smith(s) with a pole!" "Neo does Kung Fu against the french dudes henchmen with swords!" - it's all still "Neo does Kung Fu" when Neo shouldn't do *any* Kung Fu. That's the whole point of being "the one" 'when the time is right, you won't have to' doesn't just apply to dodging bullets.

 

I can see the justification with Morpheus and Trinity - but with Neo? No way. Benoit and Angle were "technical masters" who only did the Crossface and Ankle Lock and tried to see how many ways they could apply it. That just doesn't work. Ditto with Neo.

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Why is everyone talking like Zion was destroyed? I thought they had 24 hours to save Zion once Neo got back to the Nebuchanezzar. ...before it got blown up, of course.

 

As for the rave/orgy scene, my take is that since the humans are fighting for their very existence against the machines, the rave was a celebration of all that makes them human. It was very tribal in nature, harkening back perhaps to man's more primal, animal nature, hence the ritualistic drumming and such.

 

I can definitely see Zion as a construct of the Matrix. The whole "program to give the humans hope, thereby giving both man and machine a purpose" sounds as plausible as it can get without seeing the final chapter. I am definitely itching for the conclusion of the story, especially to see the latest evolution of Neo's power(s).

 

And yes, I too had issue with Neo not using the full extent of his Matrix-manipulating abilities.

 

The one part that made me chuckle was at the end of Neo vs. Agent Smith x 100. He tossed one of the doppelgangers into a crowd, and I distinctly heard the sound of bowling pins being toppled over. Brilliant!

 

On a whole, I loved the entire experience. If anything, the storyline definitely made it for me. I love thinkpieces and conversation starters like this film. The greatness of the action sequences goes without saying. Some of the comic book dialogue was a bit hard to swallow (especially from Morpheus), but all in all I didn't mind it so much.

 

What really made the movie for me though was when Neo got to the Source; specifically how it affected the audience around me. The collective squirming of the rest of the audience when the fighting stopped and the "long-winded" exposition started was a definite Schadenfreude moment for me. The mouth-breathing yokels watching couldn't believe they sat through all that action just to get some philosophical mumbo-jumbo that they couldn't wrap their heads around. I swear I could hear the collective audience scratching their heads in utter despair and incredulity. I was in misanthropic heaven. ;)

 

I purposely didn't watch the trailer for Revolution so that I wouldn't get my expectations up until game time later this year. That, and? well, my wife had to visit the loo. Que sera sera... ;)

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

I'd just like to know why they turned Zion into a Nelly Video...

 

Morpheus: The Roof, The Roof, The Roof is on fire... but it's not really fire... it's the construct of a subroutine created by the matrix to fool us into believing that yes indeed, the roof is on fire... but we should not let this deter us, oh no, we should continue to dance as if there were no roof at all... because there is no roof... EI...

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Why is everyone talking like Zion was destroyed? I thought they had 24 hours to save Zion once Neo got back to the Nebuchanezzar. ...before it got blown up, of course.

 

As for the rave/orgy scene, my take is that since the humans are fighting for their very existence against the machines, the rave was a celebration of all that makes them human. It was very tribal in nature, harkening back perhaps to man's more primal, animal nature, hence the ritualistic drumming and such.

 

I can definitely see Zion as a construct of the Matrix. The whole "program to give the humans hope, thereby giving both man and machine a purpose" sounds as plausible as it can get without seeing the final chapter. I am definitely itching for the conclusion of the story, especially to see the latest evolution of Neo's power(s).

 

And yes, I too had issue with Neo not using the full extent of his Matrix-manipulating abilities.

 

The one part that made me chuckle was at the end of Neo vs. Agent Smith x 100. He tossed one of the doppelgangers into a crowd, and I distinctly heard the sound of bowling pins being toppled over. Brilliant!

 

On a whole, I loved the entire experience. If anything, the storyline definitely made it for me. I love thinkpieces and conversation starters like this film. The greatness of the action sequences goes without saying. Some of the comic book dialogue was a bit hard to swallow (especially from Morpheus), but all in all I didn't mind it so much.

 

What really made the movie for me though was when Neo got to the Source; specifically how it affected the audience around me. The collective squirming of the rest of the audience when the fighting stopped and the "long-winded" exposition started was a definite Schadenfreude moment for me. The mouth-breathing yokels watching couldn't believe they sat through all that action just to get some philosophical mumbo-jumbo that they couldn't wrap their heads around. I swear I could hear the collective audience scratching their heads in utter despair and incredulity. I was in misanthropic heaven. ;)

 

I purposely didn't watch the trailer for Revolution so that I wouldn't get my expectations up until game time later this year. That, and? well, my wife had to visit the loo. Que sera sera... ;)

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Zion may not have been destroyed, but everyone, but that one guy (Agent Smith outside the Matrix) were killed. The people of Zion were wiped out cause Smith triggered one of those things that disable machinery and took out all the ships that were set to stop the sentinals. So in a way Zion was destroyed...the people atleast.

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Guest spiny norman

I'm going to see it tomorrow night. One of the people I'm going with never saw the original, so I went to rent out the video but unfortunately it was all out at the video shop. So, my question is, will someone who's never seen the first one be able to stand the movie?

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Zion may not have been destroyed, but everyone, but that one guy (Agent Smith outside the Matrix) were killed. The people of Zion were wiped out cause Smith triggered one of those things that disable machinery and took out all the ships that were set to stop the sentinals. So in a way Zion was destroyed...the people atleast.

 

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You've got it all wrong. Commander Lock had an idea that he could weaken the machines forces by launching a counter-attack way before the machines reached Zion. Instead Agent Smith who had possessed a crew member of one of the ships, went on the counter-attack mission and sabotaged it. The reason he was the only one left alive (They flew over the downed ships not Zion) was because he has a connection with the machines that has yet to be revealed. Zion is still alive, but is without many ships which were lost in the afformentioned counter-attack mission.

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Guest Lord of The Curry

Might want to fix that post before somebody rips your nuts off regarding spoilers.

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I'm more than satisfied with this movie. It was great, and I'm happy they went with the philosophical approach, especially when Neo met the architect. I need to see it again to better wrap my head around it, but I have no problem with that because the movie as a whole is great so I want to sit through it again to better understand the story. I don't think Neo is still in the Matrix. I do think the fact that Neo has apparently made choices based on his LOVE for TRINITY has drastically changed the outcome of things as the Matrix was expecting it based on his 5 predecessors' runs at it. They hinted at that, I think, and I can think of two major changes his decisions made.

 

1. Agent Smith was "freed" because Trinity's kiss revived Neo and he rose from the dead to attack Smith. Now Smith is free of the Matrix's control, and is exhibiting some new abilities, and is apparently power hungry. I think Smith wants it ALL. He wants control of the Matrix, humans, and machines. I think he's trying to manipulate everything he can.

 

2. Neo is making new decisions. He chose the door he did to leave the Architect because he was going to save TRINITY. He tore up half of hell trying to get there in time to save her, and then literally restarted her heart.

 

The speech the Oracle gave him could very well be the same thing she did in the first film. There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path. She may have told Neo what he needed to know in order for him to go do what he really needs to do. I don't think we'll fully understand it all until the credits roll on Revolutions, and I think the Waichowskis intended it that way.

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Actually Agent Smith says he doesn't know how he was 'freed', but it had something to do with Neo going into his body (and making it explode) and leaving his imprint on Smith somehow at the end of the first movie. Now Smith is sort of endowed with similar powers as Neo, that is, the desire and ability to bend and break the rules of the Matrix as he sees fit.

 

I can't say I agree with Dr. Tom's rating of it in his review. Quite a few reviewers I did agree with and this is what they (and I) have to say:

 

this second trilogy entry is closer to "Attack of the Clones" than "The Empire Strikes Back."

I can see why they made that comparison. The Wachowski's definitely went the FX-laden route rather than following through on the promise of the first movie.

 

People will see "The Matrix Reloaded" if only for a demonstration of what a megamillons budget and state-of-the-art special effects can buy.

In fact, that's probably the ONLY reason to go see it.

 

The Matrix Reloaded" assumes its audience has entered the theater with a high level of emotional investment and complete retention of the first movie.

Not only that but they expect you to care about characters they've just introduced even though we haven't spent any time with them at all. Why should I care who Niobe ends up with? And damn if that ain't the most cliched and tired plot device of all time anyway...a love triangle? With Lock playing the obvious 2D underdog prick.

 

"It would be hard to think of another sci-fi movie that said so little while trying to mean so much...Yet just as the dour verbiage of fate is starting to make your head hurt, something exciting happens."

But that "something exciting" tends to be something completely out of place. I mean for example, tell me why Neo has to fight that Asian dude and be led to the Oracle through a secret "door" only to be greeted by Agent Smith immediately after talking to her? This location was apparently under the strictest and tightest of security to protect the Oracle, we are given the impression. But as soon as she leaves, Agent Smith casually and non-chalantly just strolls up. That really bothered me. After I first saw the Matrix I explained it like this: No real story, just everyone running around doing random stuff that seemed to be of real importance but at the same time, it wasn't built up as important at all. I want to say things were happening too fast but that wasn't it. It's that too many things were happening with little or no exposition too fast.

 

Another thing that bothered me was some of the acting. Alot of the scenes in Zion, especially in the council meetings, were treading on "Star Wars Prequels" bad-type acting. And the dialogue didn't help matters. I'm sure Keanu won't be getting any Oscar nods for his performance either but we all knew that going in already. Alot of people rag on Lucas nowadays, but someone tell me how some of this crap was any better.

 

The action sequences (which are too far apart) were what saved this movie from being really really mediocre. I don't think anyone can deny how awesome the Freeway Chase and the hand-to-hand combat scenes are (although it takes some serious suspension of disbelief to swallow Morpheus fighting one of the Ghost Twins in the close confines of a car, even given that the impossible is possible inside the matrix).

 

If you're going to a movie just to see how far technology has advanced and just to see some cool action sequences, this is the movie to go see. But if you want a sequel that actually follows through and delivers on the promise of the original, then I guess we may have to wait to see what Revolutions has in store for us, because Reloaded didn't really do it for me.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

But..

 

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How can Neo still destroy the sentinels with a thought if he is out of the matrix? How could he still "feel" their presence? I think he did exactly what the architect wanted him to do and that is to choose to save Trinity, the only difference is that one moment where he said "this isn't right".

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My guess would be that Neo is still inside the Matrix somehow. The Architect said something to the effect of "when you peel back one layer of the matrix, another layer is in it's place" to Neo when they spoke.

 

I'm guessing Neo is just being manipulated or made to think he's uncovering something important when in actuality he's still in a faux reality.

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Guest SP-1

That's probably as well. Unless there's something else in Neo that transcends what we know so far. Which would be VERY interesting.

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Guest mach7

Just caught the flick. Better than I thought it was going to be.. but there were a few things I didn't like. A few scenes that could have or should have been cut out. But in the end it was still a great movie. A lot of the people in the theatre didn't stick around for the credits to end and missed the trailer for the Matrix: Revolutions, which I hear is due out in November. It looked pretty sweet, as well!

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Guest HartFan86

Just got home from it and I loved it, even if I haven't seen the first Matrix (which I plan on renting on DVD later this week). I thought the special effects and fight scenes fucking rocked, but the ending was bullshit (I yelled out "fucking bullshit", as did everyone else.)

 

Thanks to you guys, I read ahead of time and waited after for the trailer and it looks really cool. I can't wait for it to come out.

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Guest SP-1

I fail to see how it's bullshit. It's a trilogy. There's a third movie. They want people to see the third movie. Thus, you end with a big cliffhanger.

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Guest LaParkaMarka

Well, most movies don't end with a cheesy "To Be Concluded". That annoyed me when I watched too, but in a "But I wanna see the sequel NOW" kinda way. Does that make sense, SP?

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Just got home from it and I loved it, even if I haven't seen the first Matrix (which I plan on renting on DVD later this week). I thought the special effects and fight scenes fucking rocked, but the ending was bullshit (I yelled out "fucking bullshit", as did everyone else.)

 

Thanks to you guys, I read ahead of time and waited after for the trailer and it looks really cool. I can't wait for it to come out.

Why did you yell that? Cause it said "to be concluded"? It's a trilogy. The third part comes out in November...it's not that far away.

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Well, I wasn't the only one who did. There were some guys a couple years older than me (about 5 of them, I'm guessing around 18) who were RIPPED shit and started saying "Fuck this" and "Fuck that."

 

People were pissed because you didn't expect that type of ending. That's all.

 

And yeah, I want to see the third one now too, so it was more of a "Well that's fucking bullshit, but I can't wait to see the final one they make."

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