Limosine Ridin', Jet Plane Flyin', WOOOOOOOO!

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

and Jumbo's moveset was huge, wasn't it. So was Stan Hansen's, Kawada's, DiBiase's, Race's...right? No actually, they didn't have huge movesets either.

 

The moveset argument is shit. It suggests that Large moveset=good wrestler.

 

Flair's matches stand up on their own. He consistently had good-great matches when it mattered for years and years, thus he equals a great wrestler. Not the best ever, but undeniably great.

Kawada had a fucking huge movelist.

 

- Jumping high kick

- Ganmengeri

- Koppop kick

- Dangerious backdrop

- Roundhouse kick

- Jumping back elbow

- Running jumping knee drop

- Stretch plum

- Brainbuster

- Folding powerbmb

- Neck wrench

- Running roundhouse kick

- Shin kicks

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Right, so Flair had

 

-punch

-chop

-belly to back suplex

-vertical suplex

-delayed vertical suplex

-snap suplex

-double arm suplex

-knee drop

-figure four leglock

-That knee smash thing that sets up the figure four

-occasional crossbody, piledriver etc.

-then all the signature Flair spots like Flair flip etc.

 

Wouldn't Kawada's moveset be "repetitive"? Considering of the moves you named alot of them are kicks?

 

I also noticed that you avoided my point about the moveset argument being a shit one.

 

Basically, if you watch a wide range of Flair's matches and you still think he sucks, then you can't be sold on him, because you don't want to be.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Kawada's moveset is pretty limited (esp. in relation to Misawa and Kawada) and even though I prefer wrestles with a wide variety of moves, I still hold Kawada in high regard because of his *smart working, his in-ring persona, and his stiffness. Flair has two of those qualities (though I think Kawada is smarter, and I like his understated character more than Flairs over-the-top one, but that's more along the 'personal preference' line). My main issue with Flair is this (and don't get me wrong, I *like* Flair matches, sometimes I love Flair matches, I just don't think they are anywhere near the hype people give them) : Kawada vs. Gary Albright wasn't a Kawada match, he didn't have Gary work a Kawada match nor did it have elements of a Kawada match, they wrestled more of a Gary Albright match that Kawada happened to be in. Typically a Gary Albright match wouldn't be that good, this time it was. Kawada took what he knew - the kicks, some mat wrestling, a suplex or two - and merged it with the UWF-i semi-shootstyle format with All Japan pacing.

 

Had that been Ric Flair, I think it would have been Gary doing a bunch of power moves, and then Flair begging off, cheating, Gary no-sells the chops, Flair begs off again, turnbuckle flip, rinse and repeat.

 

(*Evidence of smart work: At the start of the match where Gary was about to German suplex Kawada, Tosh broke the hold and was about to hit an enzigiri but missed, it was a botched spot but what did Kawada do? He stayed on the ground with his back to Gary, Gary saw this clear signal and rushed over to grab ahold of him... small, but brilliant work. Kawada didn't have to bump all over the place to 'carry' Albright)