The Dames 0 Report post Posted May 22, 2003 A lot of people here are quite confused as to what The Architect said to Neo and other have interpreted it in different ways. Just to start up this convo again and possibly give a better understanding to what happened, here is a transcription of it. This is the script in the Matrix: Reloaded where the Architecht speaks to Neo. It went by so fast that a lot of people didn't understand what he said. So here you go: The Architect - Hello, Neo. Neo - Who are you? The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant. Neo - Why am I here? The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. Neo - You haven't answered my question. The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"* The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. *Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."* Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. *Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!* Neo - Choice. The problem is choice. *The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room* The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother. Neo - The Oracle. The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster. Neo - This is about Zion. The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated. Neo - Bullshit. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"* The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. *Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.* The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive. The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. *The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors* The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love. *Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors* Neo - Trinity. The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own. Neo - No! The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it. *Neo walks to the door on his left* The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness. Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. The Architect - We won't. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 22, 2003 WHOOO HOOOOO! Ok, now to read... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted May 22, 2003 If the Architect is the creator of the Matrix, where did he come from or more importantly who does he answer to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BigPoppaKev Report post Posted May 22, 2003 I saw the movie on Sunday and still don't really get what he said. And after reading it doesn't really make anymore sense. Can someone put what he said into idiot terms, for people like myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted May 22, 2003 Basically he told Neo that his role as THE ONE is a joke, that he wasn't really there to lead some sort of revolution to free everyone. The Architect himself controlled everything, including Zion in a way since he can destroy it and rebuild it at will. The Architect keeps rebuilding Zion because (unlike Vince) he realizes he needs competition and that the Matrix wouldn't be whole without someone rebelling against it. So basically he offers Neo the chance to either save Trinity or take some people and rebuild Zion, so that they could eventually plan another revolt and be squashed again. On one hand I thought Neo was selfish to save Trinity and risk EVERYONE dying, yet on the other hand I can see why he wanted to stop the circle of revolt, squash, rebuild. As far as the Architect, I dunno exactly what he is. Wasn't sure if he was a guy who designed the Matrix, or if he was a program of the Matrix like the French dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Narcoleptic Jumper Report post Posted May 23, 2003 I believe that the Architect is a machine that is plugged into the Matrix. After all, he can't be a program, since he built the software that he would be programmed for, and he's not a human for obvious reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest etskid Report post Posted May 23, 2003 This is what I've gathered from reading, and re-reading the script... The war between humans and machines have been going on for about 600 years. Which I think makes the year 2599, but that has nothing to do with anything. The Architect is a program within the matrix that monitors everything. He's not outside the matrix or anything like that. It's like your conscience, you don't know where the fuck it is, or if it's part of your body, but it's there and it's aware of everything. That's what he is. If you noticed, no one else had access to him either. Because the machines started hacking each other (Agent Smith, The Oracle), he protected himself where the one was the only one able to come and see him under the parameter of entering the bulding,ect,ect,ect. Since people ultimatley were responsible for making the machines, I'm operating under the impression that they also inherited the fact that we're not perfect, and despite being machines, they're not perfect. So the One was a glitch. Being that they are machines, they decided to use the glitch to their advantage, and create a cycle where every 100 years (or maybe a litte less than that), the glitch would pop up and they would allow him to leave with enough humans to populate zion. The One (apparently) when they activate their powers transends the difference of being human and machine (which is why neo was able to take down the sentinels at the end of the movie.) This made the one more machine than anything else, and the machines would then program the one to have a care and sympathy for all human beings out there, thus when the decision had to be made, he would save civilization. Neo falls in love, and that broke the chain. None of the other ones went through the door to destory the matrix. That's what I think anyway. -Brandon.ETS http://www.ert3.com/ets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted May 23, 2003 One thing I still don't get. I've heard some people say that Zion is just another Matrix, made to trap those who have fallen out of the original. Even moviepooper.com listed this as the spoiler for Reloaded. Where did they get this idea from? While they may reveal this in the next movie, (I don't know) I didn't see any indication of this from Reloaded. From what I understand Zion exists in the real world, but the machines let it exist simply to do what the Architect said, to make the original matrix work. Could somebody clear this up for me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted May 23, 2003 One thing I still don't get. I've heard some people say that Zion is just another Matrix, made to trap those who have fallen out of the original. Even moviepooper.com listed this as the spoiler for Reloaded. Where did they get this idea from? While they may reveal this in the next movie, (I don't know) I didn't see any indication of this from Reloaded. From what I understand Zion exists in the real world, but the machines let it exist simply to do what the Architect said, to make the original matrix work. Could somebody clear this up for me? This is because of what Neo does at the end when confronting the Sentinels. It is merely speculation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted May 23, 2003 Thanks, Kahran. The reason I think Neo did what he did to the sentinals is that now he has some subconcious link to the machines, which will probably be the key to destroying them in the next movie. You know, one of those cheap cop-outs like Buffy's red ax at the end of season 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Marshall Report post Posted May 24, 2003 (edited) Watch The Second Renaissance on the Animatrix, it explains all about how the matrix was first built from the start. It helps that I was it before I saw the movie, because I understood more about what was said by The Architect. I think The Architect should be refered to as Art Vandelay from now on. Edited May 24, 2003 by Marshall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 24, 2003 I'm glad you printed this. I just went to it today and walked out of that boring piece of shit before even getting to this part. At least now I know what I missed which was apparently more of the same nothing from the first 2 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EsotericMaster Report post Posted May 24, 2003 etskid: I didn't really look that far into it, but I think you are right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Marshall Report post Posted May 24, 2003 Did anyone notice how nearly everyonein Zion is black? Think that was on purpuse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted May 24, 2003 I noticed that too. What really caught my eye, however, is that NOBODY in zion is blonde. Not one. What does Neo have against blonde people? And Morpheus made the corniest speech ever. I guess he never downloaded "public speaking" from the matrix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted May 24, 2003 I'm glad you printed this. I just went to it today and walked out of that boring piece of shit before even getting to this part. Did you want your money back? (On topic: Watching the Animatrix helps you understand it greatly -- too bad they are about 100+ MB if you have dial up) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mattdotcom Report post Posted May 24, 2003 While we're on the subject of The Matrix Q&A and seeing as how I don't want to start the fifth or so Matrix thread, quick question. We were watching the first movie on DVD yesterday and at the end, when Neo is on the phone, we couldn't figure out who he was talking to. I thought he was recruiting people (all those people in Zion thanked him, ya know) and a friend of mine thoguht it was the Architect. We both decided our answers were impossible (mine because he talks about "a world without you" and my friend's because no one knew of the Architect until Reloaded). Anyone have any idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 24, 2003 I think that was just a nerdy "I'm talking to YOU, audience!" moment more than anything requiring serious study. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted May 24, 2003 He was talking to the Machines, since they were tracing the call. "I'm going to show these people a world without boundaries, a world without you." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted May 24, 2003 wrestlingbs nailed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Did you want your money back? I didn't have time to worry about money. I just wanted out of that damn theater and away from that train wreck of a movie as quickly as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
