The Old School questions thread

[Guest nWoScorpion]

Wasn't Mr. Hughes Goldust's bodyguard that night at Good Friends Better Enemies, or am I thinking of Royal Rumble 1997 again...

[cawthon777 0]

I've got one concerning the Iron Sheik: I just got an MSG event tape that has an undercard match between The Great Hossein Arab (Iron Sheik) facing Larry Zybysco (sp?) but I do not have the date of this event because it was a bonus event added on. What time period was this when the Sheik wrestled under this name? I never knew he used it and was surprised to see it.

Although I can't seem to find the date this match occured on, it would have had to have been between July 1979 and Zbyzsko's heel turn in February 1980.

 

I have dates and partial match listings for the MSG shows during that time period but nothing more.

[cawthon777 0]

or am I thinking of Royal Rumble 1997 again...

Hughes was Triple H's bodyguard at that show. If the bodyguard was anyone famous, I'm guessing he was a jobber at the time.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

Random question: where did the Bobby Heenan "weasle" thing come from?

Crusher was using it in the late 70's... I read Heenan's book, and for the life of me I can't recall who or what he "blamed" it on.

 

 

In my younger days I thought the British Bulldogs started it, but that's obviously wrong.

[SteakGrowsOnUecker 0]

Well I watched a little bit more of that event and it was headlined by Bob Backlund defending the title against Ken Patera, and Patterson was the InterContinental Champion and faced Capt. Lou Alabno, so it was in that time period you mentioned. Thanks a lot though

[cawthon777 0]

If Patterson was IC champ, that narrows it down to after September 79.

[SteakGrowsOnUecker 0]

I'm almost postitive this first MSG event on the tape is from February 7, 1980, as Hogan faced Dominic Denucci on the card, and was the second or third event at MSG that Hogan had done, the first being his debut match againt Dibiase in December of 79. However the seller added another old MSG event on the tape with Patterson facing Capt. Lou, so I'm goin to look into this event as well when I get the chance. Watching these old events and finding the dates has always interested me.

[cawthon777 0]

I'm almost postitive this first MSG event on the tape is from February 7, 1980, as Hogan faced Dominic Denucci on the card, and was the second or third event at MSG that Hogan had done, the first being his debut match againt Dibiase in December of 79. However the seller added another old MSG event on the tape with Patterson facing Capt. Lou, so I'm goin to look into this event as well when I get the chance. Watching these old events and finding the dates has always interested me.

Here's what I have from that time period. If you can add anything from that tape be it matches or finishes, feel free.

 

I did happen to come across the Patterson / Albano match...

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1980

Kevin Von Erich pinned Johnny Rodz with a bodypress

Pat Patterson defeated Capt. Lou Albano via count-out after Patterson hit Albano with his own foreign object (Best of the WWF Vol. 8)

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund vs. Ken Patera

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - February 18, 1980

Tommy Rich defeated Johnny Rodz

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund vs. Ken Patera (Pat Patterson is special referee)

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980

Bulldog Brower defeated Williams

Kerry Von Erich defeated Jose Estrada

Tor Kamata defeated Mike Masters

Larry Zbyzsko defeated Bruno Sammartino via disqualification

Afa defeated Dominic DeNucci

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Sika

Andre the Giant & Pat Patterson defeated Bobby Duncum & Ken Patera

Rene Goulet defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna

Hulk Hogan defeated Tito Santana

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

 

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky? WCWSN Storyline?

[cawthon777 0]

What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

 

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky? WCWSN Storyline?

1. It was just Lawler badmouthing Piper every week for being washed up, etc. I think he would make fun of "Hell Comes to Frogtown". At the time, the WWF was airing pretaped Piper promo segments (they might have referred to them as Piper's Pit but it wasn't near the same thing). Piper would be on location shooting some movie and he would cut a promo on the happenings of the WWF in front of the camera in his trailer, etc. I think Lawler was reacting to thinking Piper was so full of himself. They continued to run the pretaped segments even after Summer Slam 94 - I remember Piper going off on Tatanka's heel turn.

 

2. I believe he was. I don't remember - did Big Bubba ever pull a Pepper back then and cook himself some rabbit?

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

 

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky?  WCWSN Storyline?

1. It was just Lawler badmouthing Piper every week for being washed up, etc. I think he would make fun of "Hell Comes to Frogtown". At the time, the WWF was airing pretaped Piper promo segments (they might have referred to them as Piper's Pit but it wasn't near the same thing). Piper would be on location shooting some movie and he would cut a promo on the happenings of the WWF in front of the camera in his trailer, etc. I think Lawler was reacting to thinking Piper was so full of himself. They continued to run the pretaped segments even after Summer Slam 94 - I remember Piper going off on Tatanka's heel turn.

 

2. I believe he was. I don't remember - did Big Bubba ever pull a Pepper back then and cook himself some rabbit?

Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....

 

Then again I don't remember any of the build up to that PPV other than Owen facing Doink on a RAW (For a KOTR spot, Doink subbed for Earthquake) and I can also recall marking out when I read in the WWF Magizine that Crush and Yoko would be facing the HeadShrinkers...

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

MAY 9TH 1994:

Razor Ramon pinned Kwang

Crush pinned Ray Roy

Doink the Clown pinned Mike Terrance

Mabel pinned Mike Bell

 

MAY 16TH 1994:

Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Thurman "Sparky" Plugg

Diesel pinned Mike Moraldo

Owen Hart pinned Tony Roy by Submission

Earthquake defeated Yokozuna in a Sumo Match

 

MAY 23RD 1994:

Owen Hart pinned Doink the Clown

Duke "the Dumpster" Droese pinned Barry Horowitz

Irwin R. Schyster pinned Gary Sabaugh

Nikolai Volkoff defeated Matt Hardy by Submission

 

MAY 30TH 1994:

Crush battled Tatanka to a Double Countout

The 1-2-3 Kid pinned George South

The Smokin Gunns defeated Austin Steele & Reno Riggins

Jeff Jarrett pinned Chris Hammrick

 

JUNE 6TH 1994:

Tatanka pinned Crush in a Lumberjack Match

Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Jean Paul

Razor Ramon pinned Keith Davis

 

JUNE 20TH 1994:

Diesel pinned Mark Thomas

The 1-2-3 Kid pinned Nikolai Volkoff

Yokozuna pinned Nick Barbarry

Typhoon pinned The Black Phantom

The Heavenly Bodies defeated Jim Powers & Ross Greenburg

 

JUNE 27TH 1994:

Mabel defeated Bam Bam Bigelow by Countout

Irwin R. Schyster pinned Rich Myers

The Headshrinkers defeated The Executioners

Kwang pinned Mike Moraldo

Lex Lugar pinned Mike Bell

[cawthon777 0]

I know they aired a few Piper segments on All-American. Not sure about Raw.

[SteakGrowsOnUecker 0]

Did it surprise anyone else at how RIPPED Piper was for that match at KOTR 94? And then two years later in WCW he shows up as the dough boy.

[Guest JHawk]

Those Piper segments were exclusive to All-American Wrestling and were called "The Bottom Line". They were pretty much gone by the time King of the Ring 94 ended.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1980

Kevin Von Erich pinned Johnny Rodz with a bodypress

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980

 

Kerry Von Erich defeated Jose Estrada

How long were the Von Erichs in the WWF? I've never heard anything about Kevin being up North, and other than that lame "Texas Tornado" era I never knew Kerry was there. Any other cards with them, Cawthon777?

[cawthon777 0]

They were just one spot appearances. It was MSG - Vince Sr. used to bring in all the big names from all over the country to fill the place up - whether it be the Von Erichs from Texas, Piper from Oregon, Andre, Dusty from Florida, Jack Brisco, Race, Flair, you name it.

[Guest bravesfan]

Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....

 

That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

 

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

^^^

 

I'm tempted to dig out my old WWF mags and find the pics now...

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

Okay here's one: Where did Oscar come from? I have heard nothing of his existence prior to or after his WWF stint..

[cawthon777 0]

Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....

 

That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

 

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.

Are you sure about that? True, it's been years since I've seen the show - I just figured that it would be more well-known that it was Jason Sensation.

[cawthon777 0]

Okay here's one: Where did Oscar come from? I have heard nothing of his existence prior to or after his WWF stint..

Me neither. He never worked a match so I'm not so sure if he was a wrestler at all - although he did take a bump every now and again.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

I think he's involved with the music business. Wrestlecrap did an interview with him back when that site was running properly

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Ok here's a pretty easy Q:

 

At Survivor Series 1987 how do the British Bulldogs get eliminated? I have the colo version and it's cut up, cutting out the Bulldgo's elimination.

[cawthon777 0]

Haku pinned Dynamite but I don't know how.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

I find it weird that they'd cut out a team getting eliminated. Damn production crew.

[Guest bravesfan]

Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....

 

That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

 

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.

Are you sure about that? True, it's been years since I've seen the show - I just figured that it would be more well-known that it was Jason Sensation.

Though you've left me in doubt, I'm 99.999999% sure it's Jason - due to my recollection of the WWF Magazine's Parting Shot (the last page in the old mags, with a cool/funny picture); the edition with the KOTR 1994 recap had a Parting Shot of Piper holding the Fake Piper on his shoulders, ala Savage/Elizabeth.

[Guest MillenniumMan831]

I think the fake Piper may have been too tall and even too skinny to be Jason, but as always I could be wrong.

[Guest Corey291]

That was definitely not Jason Sensation. I was just watching some of that footage, and they are 2 different people.

 

-Corey

[cawthon777 0]

Strictly from memory, fake Piper looked a lot more like Zach Gowen than Jason Sensation (just making comparisons; am in no way saying it was Zach since he was probably 15 at the time).